[Sprinklerforum] Re: Room, compartment, residential sprinkler design areas

Zedd may disagree since it's not referenced any more, but I use the old definition for small room (pre 2016). Later it seemed to be split in to small room and compartment. 11.3.1 went through some changes in 2016 to add the "room or compartment". In 2013 it referenced small room (8.6.2.1.2)

[Sprinklerforum] Re: XL pipe datasheet

Forgot about that one, thanks. I was hoping to find an older one with the piping shown on the front. Benjamin Young On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 10:33 AM Mike Morey wrote: > www.meyerfire.com/uploads/1/6/0/7/16072416/stp1301_xl-blt-sub-sht_.pdf > > > > *Mike Morey* > > *CFPS 3229 • NICET S.E.T.

[Sprinklerforum] Re: XL pipe datasheet

www.meyerfire.com/uploads/1/6/0/7/16072416/stp1301_xl-blt-sub-sht_.pdf Mike Morey CFPS 3229 • NICET S.E.T. 123677 Project Manager • Fire Protection Group Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company 7614 Opportunity Drive •

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Interstitial Heads

Fantastic. That's what I ordered and wanted to double check. Thank you, Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: Travis Mack Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 8:39 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Interstitial Heads It's been

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Interstitial Heads

Since NFPA 13 (2002 edition) was published the sprinkler selected for protection of concealed combustible spaces less than 36” shall be listed for such use. An upright is not listed for that application. Thank you. Brandon Telford Sent from my iPhone. On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:37 AM Brian

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Interstitial Heads

Why yes, there is. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CWBSP, C.E.T. Ferguson Fire Design, LLC D: (602) 337-0721<(602)%20337-0721> C: (307) 236-8249<(307)%20236-8249> matthew.will...@ferguson.com From: Brian Harris Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 6:37 AM To:

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Interstitial Heads

It’s been in the standards since the 2002 edition. Concealed combustible spaces with slope not exceeding 2:12 and <36" clear (paraphrasing) require specially listed sprinklers. So yes, they have been required in those spaces for more than 20 years. Travis Mack, SET M.E.P.CAD | 181 N. Arroyo

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Obstruction below sidewall sprinkler

Depends on which version you are using. '16 and '19 only refers to storage needing to be 18" or more, not shelving specifically. 11.3.7.1.2 NFPA 13 - Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems (2022) Shelving, and any storage thereon, directly below the sprinklers shall not extend

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe NFPA14 2019

nning | Training From: Chris Wilson Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 6:57 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe NFPA14 2019 Steve, Yes there is a hose connection at the first floor landing of the remote stand pipe. Yes there is ac

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

> > > > > > > From: Fpdcdesign > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 8:52 AM > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing > > The array of tables are about 1000 sqft each >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 8:52 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing The array of tables are about 1000 sqft each Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-554-7054 (fa

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

Spencer Tomlinson, PE > > > > Owner, Fire Protection Engineer > > > > > > > > > > > > Cell: 620-955-7293 > > > > > > > > > > > From: Fpdcdesign > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 9:32 AM > To: Discussion lis

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

Denver has been accepting OH2 for grow facilities for a long time. It doesn't matter if the tables are portable or not. Kerry L Kerry L. Madigan, PE Principal, Sr. Fire Protection Engineer ** */VERITAS/*///Fire Engineering, Inc./// 12364 W. Alameda Pkwy, Suite 135 Lakewood, CO 80228

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

provisions that would suggest otherwise…. Spencer Tomlinson, PE Owner, Fire Protection Engineer [red logo] Cell: 620-955-7293 From: Fpdcdesign Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 9:32 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

by the standard. From: Fpdcdesign Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 7:32 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing ⚠ CAUTION: External Email Travis, The definition of EH2 and section 19.3.3.1.5 both deal with protection where

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

_mack_mepcad > > > > From: Fpdcdesign > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 7:05:28 AM > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing > > > > > > >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

c fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing Travis, What I have run into out here is that the grow tables are not fixed in place. Consequently, they become “furniture” and protection is not installed underneath. (I am trying to get that information). If they are not fixed

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

Travis, What I have run into out here is that the grow tables are not fixed in place. Consequently, they become “furniture” and protection is not installed underneath. (I am trying to get that information). If they are not fixed, does the 3000 sqft area increase apply or do we go

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe NFPA14 2019

ubject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe NFPA14 2019 Do you have a hose connection on the 1st floor landing of the remote standpipe stairwell in addition to the one at the exit passageway door? And is there access to occupiable areas on the first floor from the passageway or stairwell? Obviousl

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Cannabis growing

What unprotected concealed combustible spaces are you referencing? The 3000 sq ft is for that. Typically with grow houses, we have put sprinklers under the racks of tables, if I am understanding correctly what you are describing. These houses are definitely a unique protection scheme and it

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe NFPA14 2019

Gosh, 73-feet is a long distance to drag fire hose from the valve at the exit door along the length of the rated exit passageway. If there’s no occupancy openings in the length of the exit passageway, then maybe you could ask the AHJ if he wants a hose valve at the inside end of the exit

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe NFPA14 2019

Do you have a hose connection on the 1st floor landing of the remote standpipe stairwell in addition to the one at the exit passageway door? And is there access to occupiable areas on the first floor from the passageway or stairwell? Obviously, two or more hose connections supplied by a feed

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [External]Re: ESFR Sprinklers and Antifreeze Solutions

That data sheet is 13 years old. Does that all still apply today? -Kyle M From: José Gregorio Prada Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 7:29 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [External][Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Sprinklers and Antifreeze

[Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Sprinklers and Antifreeze Solutions

Prada Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 3:29 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Sprinklers and Antifreeze Solutions Hi Mr Anibal, Viking has a solution related with your issue https://www.vikinggroupinc.com/sites/d

[Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Sprinklers and Antifreeze Solutions

thanks José Anibal Castillo Ingeniero El El jue, 9 may 2024 a la(s) 9:30 a. m., José Gregorio Prada Rodriguez < jose.pr...@gmail.com> escribió: > Hi Mr Anibal, Viking has a solution related with your issue > > >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Sprinklers and Antifreeze Solutions

Hi Mr Anibal, Viking has a solution related with your issue https://www.vikinggroupinc.com/sites/default/files/databook/freezerstorage/033004.pdf I hope it can help you. -- Saludos Cordiales, *Nota: En los actuales momento estoy

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Water Supply

shows 152 psi @ 0 gpm and 101 psi @ 1500 gpm. >>>> The elevation gain in pressure is 23.38 psi. >>>> The friction loss through the 2,100 feet of pipe and 16 or so fittings and >>>> valves, totals 2,372 feet. >>>> This came out to 21.24 psi of friction los

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Concealed Sprinkler head box

The Argco 12 head box with them staggered works ok, I think it’s only a couple bucks more than the 6 head box. Mike Morey CFPS 3229 • NICET S.E.T. 123677 Project Manager • Fire Protection Group Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company 7614 Opportunity Drive • Fort Wayne, IN • 46825 direct

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Concealed Sprinkler head box

Buy the 14 head box from ASC engineering and stagger them. Get Outlook for iOS From: dbra...@olyfire.com Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:52:11 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Concealed Sprinkler head

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Water Supply

d from the pump > > > house as the source point. > > > The pump test shows 152 psi @ 0 gpm and 101 psi @ 1500 gpm. > > > The elevation gain in pressure is 23.38 psi. > > > The friction loss through the 2,100 feet of pipe and 16 or so fittings > >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Water Supply

m hose. I'm adding the elevation gain and subtracting the friction loss from the pump test. This leaves me with 154.14 psi @ 0 gpm and 103.14 psi @ 1500 gpm. I'm just going to use the numbers from the pump test and re-verify everything at a future date. Does this sound reasonable? -- /Thank yo

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Water Supply

adding the elevation gain and subtracting the friction loss from the pump test. This leaves me with 154.14 psi @ 0 gpm and 103.14 psi @ 1500 gpm. I'm just going to use the numbers from the pump test and re-verify everything at a future date. Does this sound reasonable? -- /Thank you, Bob Knight, C

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [External]Re: Water Supply

Agreed; just include that underground in your calculations. -Kyle M From: Skyler Bilbo Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 2:20 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [External][Sprinklerforum] Re: Water Supply Bob, Based on the information you provided

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Water Supply

2 feet. > This came out to 21.24 psi of friction loss, assuming 800 gpm of flow > including 250 gpm hose. > I'm adding the elevation gain and subtracting the friction loss from the > pump test. > This leaves me with 154.14 psi @ 0 gpm and 103.14 psi @ 1500 gpm. > I'm just goi

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Water Supply

ssuming 800 gpm of flow > including 250 gpm hose. > I'm adding the elevation gain and subtracting the friction loss from the > pump test. > This leaves me with 154.14 psi @ 0 gpm and 103.14 psi @ 1500 gpm. > I'm just going to use the numbers from the pump test and

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Seismic data outside the US

Yes, definitely earthquake country. The Managua Earthquake even helped trigger the downfall of the Samoza family regime. It doesn’t make you popular when the American Red Cross and the U.S. Air Force fly down blood, and you immediately put it on another aircraft, fly it back to the U.S. and

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Seismic data outside the US

Ben et al, Seismic needs to be approached as part of the building package. It is important to know what they are using to protect the building (e.g. ASCE 7) so that the system works with the structure. It would also be important to tie the seismic coefficient (CP) from NFPA 13 to specific

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Seismic data outside the US

1 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS From: Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 12:18 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: Seismic data outside the

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Seismic data outside the US

This piqued my interest, so I did a quick search with a couple of different phrases and I found… nothing. However, I did learn that since 1976 Guatemala has had several major earthquakes ranging from M6.8-7.5, so it’s ACTIVE. They have several major faults that get pressed on both the

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Seismic data outside the US

Ben, I believe if you carefully review the TIA to -13, #22-8, it now uses the value of Sds to figure up the eventual Cp value.  You simply multiply the Sds by 0.754 to get the Cp.  13 no longer refers to the Ss value. As I am a current member

[Sprinklerforum] Re: NFPA 13R residential system - Exposed CPVC

Dapr, The Installation Guidelines of the CPVC will give you the criteria for installing CPVC exposed rather than 13R. Greg McGahan Genesis Fire Services, LLC. From: Dapr Jones Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 10:57 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC? Yessir! That’s exactly what happened. Snoots are being installed as we speak. Thank you! Thank you, Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: matthew.will...@ferguson.com

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

cussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?   Caution:  This email originated from outside of the organization.  DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the sender. Yessir!

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC? Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the sender. Yessir! That’s exactly what h

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

Yessir! That’s exactly what happened. Snoots are being installed as we speak. Thank you! Thank you, Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: matthew.will...@ferguson.com Sent: Friday, April 19, 2024 8:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

n Harris Sent: Friday, April 19, 2024 4:57 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC? Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT click links or open attachment

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

, 2024 7:45 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC? Where are they drawing the water from? On Apr 18, 2024, at 6:30 PM, AKS-Gmail-IMAP mailto:aksei...@gmail.com>>

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

Allan- Thanks for your time, have a great day. Thank you, Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: AKS-Gmail-IMAP Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 6:29 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC? I have

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

Where are they drawing the water from? On Apr 18, 2024, at 6:30 PM, AKS-Gmail-IMAP wrote:  [CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Back Feeding Through the FDC?

I have an odd request. How about you taking some time to describe exactly what you are referring to so that we do not have to guess every aspect. Assume you have told us next to nothing so far. Thank you. Allan Seidel St. Louis, MO > On Apr 18, 2024, at 3:46 PM, bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Riser in a rated stair enclosure

p; UT **NICET IV - Water-Based Systems Layout From: Steve Leyton mailto:st...@protectiondesign.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 3:57 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerf

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

Logo-4.jpg] > > > > *From:* Richard Mote > *Sent:* Saturday, April 13, 2024 12:03 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve > > >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve Thanks for the help to all who replied. Tom, I always get a little nostalgic around this time of year. GLC was hands down the best boss I ever worked for. The job in question is for Rowe, something came up

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: tduro...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2024 9:37:06 AM To: 'Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers' Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve I had some difficulty in commissionin

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

. Go Red Sox. From: Merle Hittle Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 2:13 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and the fire pump bypass

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel Grating

Yes, there is a roof deck above that is sprinklered.  I have put sprinklers below the grating using shields on the sprinklers.  Just second guessing myself. /Thank you, Bob Knight, CET III// /*/Fire by Knight, LLC/*/ //208-318-3057/ FIREBYKNIGHT On 4/12/2024 4:41 PM, Bob Knight wrote: I have

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel Grating

Sounds to me like the thickness of the material nor the depth of the material can exceed the least dimension of the opening. Are your sprinklers above the grating? 9.3.10* Open-Grid Ceilings. Open-grid ceilings

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Plastisol liquid PVC

From: Fpdcdesign Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 12:32 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Plastisol liquid PVC Steve, a quick search found a couple of different MSDS. The older ones showed as you said but some newer ones called

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Plastisol liquid PVC

Steve, a quick search found a couple of different MSDS. The older ones showed as you said but some newer ones called it a IIIB flammable liquid. I would suggest contact the supplier and get the latest MSDS. Todd Williams Fire Protection Design/Consulting

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

04.636.5504 Email: jay.pot...@maksonfp.com Web: https://maksonfp.com From: Merle Hittle Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 2:13 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve EXTERNAL SENDER WARNING. This message was sent f

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and the fire pump bypass. No preference on manufacturer other than complying with the specifications. Merle From: rimrock.design.servi...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 11:11 AM To: 'Discussion list on issues relating

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

Suction control goes after the pump, before the check. Has a sensing line to the gate valve before the pump that controls it. We use ClaVal On Apr 12, 2024 12:12 PM, rimrock.design.servi...@gmail.com wrote: I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I’m assuming

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

Check your data sheets. If these are the same ones I'm thinking of, it goes on the discharge side of the fire pump. The data sheet will be very clear on it. Look at page 3 of 3 in this link: https://www.zurn.com/media-library/web_documents/pdfs/specsheets/acv-zw215fp-pdf Travis Mack, SET

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Main floor hose valve location.

Me too. I think I remember you from then. Todd Williams Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-608-4559 > > On Mar 29, 2024 at 2:28 PM, mailto:dhavensh...@yahoo.com)> > wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, Todd.Back in the Boston

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Floor Control Valves

Sometimes this comes down to a building code requirement that the water flow alarm must indicate which floor level is flowing. Then there can all sorts of nuances that come into play that depends on exactly what types of sprinkle system components are installed at each floor level and what has

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Floor Control Valves

What is the total square footage of the building? If it is under 52,000 sq. ft. per 13 2016 8.2.4.3 they are not required. Thanks, Gregg Fontes Lead Estimator O: 209-334-9119 gr...@cen-calfire.com [image001.jpg] This and any attached documents are for the use of

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Floor Control Valves

t: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: Floor Control Valves Maybe you can “convince” the owner to install four control valves, one for each floor and one for the attic. Tell him that if the system has only one control valve and it has to be shut off for any reason, then he will be required to evacuat

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Floor Control Valves

Maybe you can “convince” the owner to install four control valves, one for each floor and one for the attic. Tell him that if the system has only one control valve and it has to be shut off for any reason, then he will be required to evacuate the entire building or pay for a “fire watch” on

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Floor Control Valves

A lot depends on the year of the standard being applied, but YES an AHJ can (and should) require things that make sense for his/her community and the methods used or planned for fire and EMS responses. In this case, you are on solid footing because NFPA 13 (2019 edition) section 16.9.11.1

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Protecting underground storage of explosives.

bYi1pvZz4$> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS From: Ron Greenman Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 7:04 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Protecting underground storage of explosives.

https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IFC2018/CHAPTER-56-EXPLOSIVES-AND-FIREWORKS?site_type=public On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 1:20 PM Prahl, Craig wrote: > Munitions and explosives are typically protected via separation. On > military projects, storage areas such as these are either semi-subterranean

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Protecting underground storage of explosives.

Munitions and explosives are typically protected via separation. On military projects, storage areas such as these are either semi-subterranean (partially earthen covered bunker), or just physically separated from other structures by several hundred feet. I do hope the components are

[Sprinklerforum] Re: SECTION ~ 9.3.14.3 & FIGURE A.9.3.14.3 (NFPA-13, 2022 ed)

George, I believe I see the confusion here. The figure in the annex illustrates that the sprinkler system is to extend into the open space 0.6 x sqrt of the remote area,  and it also provides guidance that any fire in the high ceiling area is

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Protecting underground storage of explosives.

Chris, When I worked in the Kansas City area in the ‘80’s we installed sprinklers in hundreds of thousands of square feet of limestone caves. I was not aware that hazardous materials were permitted to be stored underground. At the time, most was restricted to philatelic, wine, paper records and

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Horizontal Barriers

The last part of the sentence "unless required as part of a fire separation" NFPA 30 requires it as part of the fire separation for the horizontal barrier. "NFPA #30 2024 Section 16.6.2 Horizontal barriers of plywood" Thanks Brett Peters General Manager Installation & Design Proudline Fire

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Horizontal Barriers

Doesn’t “unless required as part of a fire separation” fit the use of plywood in this situation? Mike Morey CFPS 3229 • NICET S.E.T. 123677 Project Manager • Fire Protection Group Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company 7614 Opportunity Drive • Fort Wayne, IN • 46825 direct 260.487.7824 /

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

Just tell him he has to roll up the hoses when you are done. Bet he will change his mind. Craig D. Hanson, CFPS Fire Division Manager West Coast Code Consultants, Inc. (WC³) Meridian Satellite Office *C:* 253.225.9977 | *E:* cra...@wc-3.com | www.WC-3.com *Teaming With

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

1500 FEET OF HOSE? That's just insane. You're not going to get any results of any value out of that. Is this new parking lot made of tissue paper? I'd tell 'em no can do buckaroo. Plus I can't imagine the before and after of dealing with all that hose line. Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Fire

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

Or wait till it rains (comment not applicable for the bottom left of the country) From: Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:59 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

<mailto:rimrock.design.servi...@gmail.com> rimrock.design.servi...@gmail.com WEB: www.rimrockdesignservicesllc.com From: Anthony Carrizosa Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:42 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calcul

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

Good idea! Thanks. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: Eric Rieve Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:55 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test What's your expected flow rate? You could always tell the GC

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

What's your expected flow rate? You could always tell the GC that they need to rent you an empty pool truck to discharge into if they don't want the driveway to get water on it. 1500' of hose should be a non-starter for you. Hope this helps! Eric Rieve, SET Rieve Fire Protection From: Brian

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

100% agree. Thank you, Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: Brett Peters Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:48 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test Fire hose has massive restriction, I would tell them

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

Fire hose has massive restriction, I would tell them it’s not possible due to the hydraulic loss in that amount of hose, you can google the pressure loss of fire hose, it’s pretty high On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 1:45 PM Brian Harris wrote: > Anybody ever ran through 1500’ of hose for a standpipe

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

ubject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations It’s the committee’s intent that the 1,000 gpm threshold is applicable only to buildings sprinklered per NFPA 13. There have been numerous fires in 13R-protected buildings where the structure became involved, many of which were roof burn-offs.

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

System Design *|* Consulting *|* Planning *|* Training > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Ken Wagoner > *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2024 10:10 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Stand

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

@ferguson.com> www.FergusonFire.com<http://www.fergusonfire.com/> From: Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 11:23 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations Caution: This email originated from outside of the organ

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

| Planning | Training               From: Ken Wagoner Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2024 10:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations   I disagree, Jose. I'm not terribly confused by the omission of a direct reference to 13R

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

8 Fire Protection System Design | Consulting | Planning | Training From: Ken Wagoner Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2024 10:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations I disagree, Jose. I'm not terribly confused by the omission of a

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

I disagree, Jose. I'm not terribly confused by the omission of a direct reference to 13R in that section.  As the text reads "...for buildings that are not sprinklered throughout in accordance with NFPA 13." Wouldn't you agree that 13R is other

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

It appears there's a conflict in understanding, as section 10.6.1.1.6 outlines a requirement for a flow rate of 1,250 gallons per minute (gpm) for buildings lacking sprinkler coverage, in line with NFPA 13 standards. Yet, 10.6.1.1.6 omits any mention of NFPA 13R, leading to confusion about the

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

I'm not an IBC guy, but I don't think a 2-hour wall creates separate buildings in accordance with the model building code (2019 NFPA 14 section A7.10.1.2.3.1). And if that door in the 2-hour wall is considered an exit opening of a horizontal exit, you may be required to provide additional hose

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

I should have included this note on my earlier response. Sorry - NFPA.  *The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects. This is provided with the understanding that the AFSA assumes no

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

Building a single structure to be considered two separate, individual buildings can be tough to do. The structure has to be such that either one can burn and fall away without harming the other building. Every building system gets involved and not just at the attachment point. For example, are

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

, 2024 12:27 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations Not sure if this would help, I had a similar Apartment (NFPA-13R) situation where the Architect specified an Automatic Standpipe system because

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

Not sure if this would help, I had a similar Apartment (NFPA-13R) situation where the Architect specified an Automatic Standpipe system because there was a water supply issue. I come to find out that the project was at the very end of the local water purveyors district. The property next door

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

tps://archerconstruction.com > > From: Steve Leyton > Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 8:57 AM > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations > > Yes, a building separation does d

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations Yes, a building separation does divide the hydraulic demands to what is required on each side of the separation. See Fig. A.10.6.1.2.3.1 (2024 ed). The foregoing is my opinion only and does not represent NFPA

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

n list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations Yes, a building separation does divide the hydraulic demands to what is required on each side of the separation. See Fig. A.10.6.1.2.3.1 (2024 ed). The foregoing is my opinion only an

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations

From: Rick Matsuda Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 11:29 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations Here’s a thought which may be out way of line. The 2-hour separation wall in the middle of the building

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