I would look in NFPA 30.
Ken Haney
Certified Engineering Tech
Haney Fire Protection, Inc.
610.217.0347
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I am hoping someone can help me out, I cannot seem to
I am hoping someone can help me out, I cannot seem to find any protection
schemes for the storage of class IIIB combustible liquids in small storage
tanks (more than 660 gal but less than 3700 gallons)
Could not find anything in NFPA of FM, or did I just miss it, could someone
point me in the
12, 2016 6:09 PM
To: Mike Brown ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: IBC 903.3.5.2 Secondary Water Supply From Swimming Pool & Storage
Tanks
We have done these where the secondary supply is piped into the suction side of
the pump. That keeps it all automatic. Separate
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> Subject: IBC 903.3.5.2 Secondary Water Supply From Swimming Pool & Storage
> Tanks
>
> I am
Pool & Storage
Tanks I am working on project that falls in the seismic classification
requiring a secondary water supply per section 903.3.5.2. The bid documents
showed using the swimming pool and two additional storage tanks to meet the
required sprinkler demand. The tanks and the swimming
Subject: IBC 903.3.5.2 Secondary Water Supply From Swimming Pool & Storage Tanks
I am working on project that falls in the seismic classification requiring a
secondary water supply per section 903.3.5.2. The bid documents showed using
the swimming pool and two additional storage tanks to meet
I am working on project that falls in the seismic classification requiring a
secondary water supply per section 903.3.5.2. The bid documents showed using
the swimming pool and two additional storage tanks to meet the required
sprinkler demand. The tanks and the swimming pool are shown to be
start with Examples of commodity classifications: plastic containers larger
than 5 Gal. The classification is triggered by the wall thickness if greater
1/4 inch, it’s Group A plastic. It does get a bit tricky when you have 6000
gal flowing out once breached (after all a breached water tank ex
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Subject: RE: Storage Tanks
What is the nature of the facility? Is it likely that they would never
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This is always my concern,
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How about when that tank is empty? Now a giant plastic tank in the room
Is it always filled or would it occasionally be empty?
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I must be missing it, so I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction
16' high 6000 gal plastic tank f
I must be missing it, so I am hoping someone can point me in the right
direction
16' high 6000 gal plastic tank filled with non-combustible liquids, what do
you use for sprinkler protection?
Is it class 1 commodity on the floor to 16'?
Thank you
James Crawford
Phaser Fire Pro
s are sitting there empty.
NFPA doesn't really address plastic storage tanks storing non-flammable liquids
but there is some text in the FM Global Data sheets dealing with storage
commodities.
Craig L. Prahl
Fire Protection Group Lead/SME
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
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lerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Storage Tanks
Roland, if you have ever seen me on regular coffee, you would understand decaf.
If it is s pvc tank, is it full 24/7 or is it empty at some point? Different
hazards.
Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT
860-
From: Todd Williams
Date: 11/20/2015 3:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Storage Tanks
Roland, if you have ever seen me on regular coffee, you would understand decaf.
If it is s pvc tank, is it full 24/7 or is it empty at some point? Different
hazards
r 20, 2015 3:52 PM
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Subject: Re: Storage Tanks
First off I have to say it’s just wrong to decaffeinate coffee
What exactly do you mean protect? A tank full of water (even with beans) poses
what kind of risk?
Confused
Roland Huggins, PE - VP E
Roland, if you have ever seen me on regular coffee, you would understand decaf.
If it is s pvc tank, is it full 24/7 or is it empty at some point? Different
hazards.
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860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell)
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First off I have to say it’s just wrong to decaffeinate coffee
What exactly do you mean protect? A tank full of water (even with beans) poses
what kind of risk?
Confused
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
ht
What is the tank made of?
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wrote
Looking for input as I have not come across this before.
Looking for a protection scheme to protect a 65' tall storage tank filled
with water and coffee beans (decaffeinating)
Just not sure what code would cover this.
Thank you
James Crawford
Phaser Fire Protection Ltd.
Pho
, May 07, 2014 8:23 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: fabric storage tanks
I have a client that needs to replace a 50 gallon fabric storage tank. Does
anyone know a company that makes large tanks. We may not need this large as I
will probably have to evaluate the systems
I have a client that needs to replace a 50 gallon fabric storage tank. Does
anyone know a company that makes large tanks. We may not need this large as I
will probably have to evaluate the systems based on current use.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Justin Reid
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:56 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Pump supplying water storage tanks
As long as the tank is holding
As long as the tank is holding all of the demand water that is needed then
it should not be required to be a fire pump.
Justin Reid
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Sharon Alves wrote:
> Does a pump that supplies water from a well to water storage tanks need to
> be a fire pump?
>
&g
, 2011, 6:45:29 PM, you wrote:
> Does a pump that supplies water from a well to water storage tanks need to
> be a fire pump?
>
> Thank you,
>
> SHARON ALVES
> Senior Fire Sprinkler Designer
>
> LP Consulting Engineers, Inc.
> Mechanical - Electric
supplying water storage tanks
What is the application 13 13d 13r?
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From: "Sharon Alves"
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:45:29
To:
Reply-To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.o
, October 06, 2011 4:18 PM
To: Sharon Alves
Subject: Re: Pump supplying water storage tanks
Hello Sharon,
I have done 2 systems with the tank refilled from a well and the well
driller just put in a standard well pump and controller. It was not
considered part of the Fire Sprinkler System until it got to
ying water storage tanks
Does a pump that supplies water from a well to water storage tanks need to
be a fire pump?
Thank you,
SHARON ALVES
Senior Fire Sprinkler Designer
LP Consulting Engineers, Inc.
Mechanical - Electrical - Plumbing Engineers - Fire Protection
1663 Eureka Road
hat supplies water from a well to water storage tanks need to
> be a fire pump?
>
> Thank you,
>
> SHARON ALVES
> Senior Fire Sprinkler Designer
>
> LP Consulting Engineers, Inc.
> Mechanical - Electrical - Plumbing Engineers - Fire Protection
> 1663 E
Does a pump that supplies water from a well to water storage tanks need to
be a fire pump?
Thank you,
SHARON ALVES
Senior Fire Sprinkler Designer
LP Consulting Engineers, Inc.
Mechanical - Electrical - Plumbing Engineers - Fire Protection
1663 Eureka Road
Roseville, CA 95661
P
] On Behalf Of Brad
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:33 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; 'Charles Thurston'
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Thom, if it were vertical turbines we were talking about, we would not be
talking, and nobody would feel hurt, unqualified,
L.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:10 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Yes, it will take
forum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ralphy
Henderson
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:14 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Hello,
I have a GC that installed a poly-tank underground in anticipation of a
future sprinkler system and pump. The
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From: Thom [mailto:tmcma...@firetechinc.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:17 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; 'Charles Thurston'
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Seems to me that NFPA 20 does say not to do this! NFPA 20, 2007, 7.3.5.2.2
T
010 12:17 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; 'Charles Thurston'
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Seems to me that NFPA 20 does say not to do this! NFPA 20, 2007, 7.3.5.2.2
This valve shall also admit air to the column to dissipate the vacuum upon
stopping of the pump.
Your s
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Charles
Thurston
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:37 AM
To: George Church
Subject: Re: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Hello George,
I was just commenting on 2 of the systems I have seen out here. Seems to m
onday, October 11, 2010 8:26 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; 'Coastal'
> Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
> Thanks, this is great! Why not post it to the Forum? I think it would help
> Ralph B- the original poster. If you do not want to, can I?
> -
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> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:26 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; 'Coastal'
> Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage
;Coastal'
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Thanks, this is great! Why not post it to the Forum? I think it would help
Ralph B- the original poster. If you do not want to, can I?
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rom: George Church [mailto:for...@ptd.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
> Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
> ???
> Unless the tank ws installed upside down, you'd don't have positive
essage-
> From: George Church [mailto:for...@ptd.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
> Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
> ???
> Unless the tank ws installed upside down, you'd don't ha
riday, October 08, 2010 3:03 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
???
Unless the tank ws installed upside down, you'd don't have positive suction
head above the waterline. I don't have an equation to support it, but
ks for the info everyone!
-RB
--- On Fri, 10/8/10, George Church wrote:
From: George Church
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 10:36 PM
The reason you don't see a detail for an up over and down suction pipe is
becaus
r the info everyone!
-RB
--- On Fri, 10/8/10, George Church wrote:
From: George Church
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 10:36 PM
The reason you don't see a detail for an up over and down suction pipe is
beca
Type of pump for UG storage tanks
I've done this on a small remote residential system. The tank was about 8'
below the suction flange, so we but a check valve at the tank connection (2-
2500 gal underground rain water storage tanks) put a tee in the suction
flange and 4' of riser pi
sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Mak
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:07 PM
To: sprinklerforum
Subject: Re: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
The only "rules" I've ever seen for a suction lift scenario, (except via
vertical turbine pumps) is an LPC tech
I've done this on a small remote residential system. The tank was about 8'
below the suction flange, so we but a check valve at the tank connection (2-
2500 gal underground rain water storage tanks) put a tee in the suction flange
and 4' of riser pipe and a globe valve to &quo
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> From: Ron Greenman [rongreen...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 08/10/2010 02:47 PM MST
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
> Subject: Re: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
>
>
>
> No syphon thing when you're losing the pri
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From: Ron Greenman [rongreen...@gmail.com]
Sent: 08/10/2010 02:47 PM MST
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
Subject: Re: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
No syphon th
#x27;; 'bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com'
> Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
>
> I don't think you get to count the 14.7 psi of the atmosphere in your net
> positive suction head calculations. When you discharge back into the
> atmosphere, you lose that pressure a
If I understand correctly these things have to be installed directly over the
tank right? I see in NFPA #20 they have some sort of water pit thingy. Is that
necessary or can you stick this over a poly tank buried in the ground?
Thx,
___
Sprin
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From: Matt Grise [mailto:m...@afpsprink.com]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:06 PM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'; 'bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com'
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
I don't think you get to count the 14.7 psi of the atmospher
t: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:03 PM
To: 'George Church'; sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Definitely talk to a pump rep, but say the suction flange is 8' above tank
water level. Might be best to rise up out of the tank to about 15' ab
essure down. 34-8=26
ft*.433= 10 psi POSITIVE.
(it works the same way a siphon does)
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From: George Church [mailto:for...@ptd.net]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:03 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
Subject: RE: Type of pump for U
elly if there is one, or- well, punt.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:43 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Type of pump for UG storage
riday, October 08, 2010 12:14 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Type of pump for UG storage tanks
Hello,
I have a GC that installed a poly-tank underground in anticipation of a
future sprinkler system and pump. The pump will be installed above ground at
a higher elevation than the
Hello,
I have a GC that installed a poly-tank underground in anticipation of a future
sprinkler system and pump. The pump will be installed above ground at a higher
elevation than the tanks. Will this require a vertical turbine pump to be able
to draw from an underground tank? I've never seen t
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of G. Tim Stone
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:16 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Refill time for Underground non-pressurized water storage tanks
Geor
er.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-
> boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:11 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
> Cc: bch...@nfpa.org
> Subject: RE: Refill time for Underground non-pressurized water storage
> tanks
>
> NFPA 22-2008
nklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Refill time for Underground non-pressurized water storage tanks
Forum,
Is there a time requirement for replenishing an underground storage tank?
I have look and cannot find it. I did find an 8 hour requirement for
pressure tanks.
Thank you.
Regards,
G. Tim Stone
Forum,
Is there a time requirement for replenishing an underground storage tank?
I have look and cannot find it. I did find an 8 hour requirement for
pressure tanks.
Thank you.
Regards,
G. Tim Stone
G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
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