Re: Nipple Extenders

2008-05-09 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello Mike, We have used AA x AA Male/Female extensions where both sizes are the same. I have seen them in 1/2 3/4 1 lengths. Thursday, May 8, 2008, 5:21:16 PM, you wrote: Quick (I hope) question. I don?t recall seeing this thread before. Are ½? x 1? male female nipple extenders

SxL rule

2008-05-09 Thread Dewayne Martinez
I have recently had a disagreement with a AHJ on how to determine the protection area of coverage for a sprinkler. In my situation, we have an OH II area which has extended coverage sprinklers (14x14) and one standard throw sprinkler. The distance between the extended and standard sprinkler is 12

RE: Nipple Extenders

2008-05-09 Thread Mike Brown (TECH- GVL)
United Brass makes a 1/2 by 1/2 male by female and a 3/4 x 3/4 male by female extender. These can be used to extend a drop that is cut too short. AFSA in the past had a BEST PRACTICE written about the use of these. There is some argument that these should not be used but they can be

Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Dewayne Martinez
I have a job site which is 10ft higher than the water supply. A gauge on the water supply hydrant reads 55 PSI static pressure while two gauges on the system riser after the BFP read 37 PSI? The total elevation change between the system gauges and the supply gauge is about 17ft. Why would there

RE: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread art
Gage calibration is my 1st thought. Check all the gages or use your own calibrated gages. Art ATCO/Tiroly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject:

RE: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Russell
Perhaps there is trapped thermal pressure or surge pressure on the system side of the BFP. Russell R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Change

RE: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Paul Pinigis
Look at the cut sheet on the BFP. Some BFPs require a significant amount of pressure to open at very low flows. For example, an 12 Ames 2000SS requires almost 6 psi to operate at very low flow so it can sit there all day with an upstream pressure nearly 6 psi higher than the system side

Re: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Todd Williams - FPDC
Dwayne, Were the pressures read on the gauges on the hydrant and the BFP at the same time? Was any water flowing when these were read? We had a situation recently where we had differing pressures and what we found out was that the city had a 30 psi fluctuation in the street they did not know

RE: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Dewayne Martinez
No, they were not read at the same time. The gauges on the BFP were read last night and the hydrant information was read this morning by the city water department. This is starting to make sense now. The fire department said that the water tower is refilled at night so this might account for the

RE: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Dewayne Martinez
Thanks, I will look into the cut sheet. The fitter preformed an alarm test so only a small amount of water was flown. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Pinigis Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:22 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

Re: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Ron Greenman
The BFP should trap the highest pressure on the system side so that the up and down fluctuations will happen on the supply side. This will read the same as the two gages on an alarm check valve when it is acting as the only system/supply check. The water tower seems the culprit. The elevation

RE: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Paul Pinigis
If water was flowed on the system side of the BFP there can be a lower pressure on the system side vs. the supply side due to the on-off action of some axial-check BFPs. This is not the same phenomenon as the pressure difference across an ACV because the ACV uses a simple side-hinged check.

Re: SxL rule

2008-05-09 Thread Roland Huggins
The starting point is the explicit guidance that addresses the last sprinkler or branch line against a wall. You apply the longest dimension from either side for both S and L. This places the sprinkler in the center of the imaginary rectangle. The same philosophy applies to

RE: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Todd Williams - FPDC
If the solution is not evident when you re-check, have the city put a pressure recorder on the hydrant. That will show the ups and downs over a period of time. In my situation it was 3 tanks that filled at random times. At 02:57 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: No, they were not read at the same

Re: Change in static pressure

2008-05-09 Thread Allan Seidel
My thought is open up the BFP and check for rocks. The one time I've seen odd numbers at the BFP it was due to rocks introduced by the site plumber altering the incoming service unbeknownst to the fire protection contractor who had already installed his stuff. Using the numbers given, 55