RE: Is there test information that shows whether or not obstructing lycra fabric ceiling elements are an issue?

As a wise forum member has reminded us more than once - just because it can be built doesn't mean it can be adequately protected by sprinklers. Ed Kramer Littleton, CO > > The last time I looked into fusible links for something like this I > found they are typically not strong enough to carry m

Re: Is there test information that shows whether or not obstructing lycra fabric ceiling elements are an issue?

The last time I looked into fusible links for something like this I found they are typically not strong enough to carry much of a load and they are not created by top notch Italian industrial visual designers. In this case the interiors designer wants to support the fabric horizontally whic

Re: Is there test information that shows whether or not obstructinglycra fabric ceiling elements are an issue?

Thom's idea is used at the Experience Music Project (Jimi Hendrix museum in Seattle) for a similar situation. The big difference is that they use smoke detectors and magnetic door releases so that when the smoke goes off all but one of the attachment points are released. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:

RE: Is there test information that shows whether or not obstructinglycra fabric ceiling elements are an issue?

Lycra melts at 437 degF. It will also sustain combustion. Will you get falling drops of a burning sticky flammable liquid? I don't know. But you might ask if they have looked into the fire retardant requirements for any internal exposed fabric. I did a church with a tensioned fabric ceiling and

residential saves

I'm going to risk Steve's wrath (Muncy, not Leyton) and post a non-tech issue but I trust prepping for an IRC hearing is sufficient reason to bend the rules. I'm working to prevent the IRC SFD mandate from being written out of PA's Uniform Construction Code, hearing is in one week. Hoping Thom, who

RE: Is there test information that shows whether or not obstructinglycra fabric ceiling elements are an issue?

Good stuff, Thom. Is Lycra flammable? glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Is there test

RE: Is there test information that shows whether or not obstructing lycra fabric ceiling elements are an issue?

Since falling lycra fabric poses no threat to anyone below it, why not suggest installing fusible links on the fabric tension wires where they meet the ceiling. They could be all on one side, which would allow the fabric to hang straight down, or on all but one so the fabric would hang like a drape

Is there test information that shows whether or not obstructing lycra fabric ceiling elements are an issue?

The interiors architect plans to populate an open structure ceiling condition with many Lycra "kites" stretched horizontal at 11 foot in an 18 foot ceiling deck area above a light hazard space. The kite sizes are many times larger than 48" and there are so many of these in an overlapping pattern th

RE: NFPA 22 Compliant Tank for FD Usage

Thanks a lot guys. Great advice as always. I'll check and see if they'll go for an underground Xerxes tank. Steve Kowkabany, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC 616 Davis Street Neptune Beach, FL 32266 904-652-4200 Phone 904-212-0868 Fax  -Original Messag

Re: NFPA 22 Compliant Tank for FD Usage

Steve, The ones I have seen/done up here are fiberglass tanks similar to Xerxes. I don't know about used, however. Todd At 04:20 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >Forumites, > > > >I'd like to pick your brain about purchasing NFPA compliant water storage >tanks, as I rarely get involved in equipment p

RE: NFPA 22 Compliant Tank for FD Usage

http://www.xerxescorp.com/index.shtml These are the best! 25 yr warranty, load rated, can go under parking lot or lawn. We done projects with others, and none compare for eas of install and use. Factory installed Vortex plates fills vents, set it and forget it. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 25

NFPA 22 Compliant Tank for FD Usage

Forumites, I'd like to pick your brain about purchasing NFPA compliant water storage tanks, as I rarely get involved in equipment purchases. We are working with a local rural church that needs to provide 25,000 gallons in total of water for manual usage by the fire department in a single tank

Keep on tech topics, please

I haven't had to do this in awhile. but over the past several weeks we have had topics on the Forum that clearly moved away from the technical purpose of the Forum. In fact, we are now getting some complaints about 'trivial' discussions not germane to the application of codes and stand

RE: column enclosure

Would you say the volume is less than 160 cuft? If it does, 13, 2002, 8.14.1.2.6 may apply. At least the intent. Tony -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: April 15, 2009 6:54 A

RE: State of Maine

She's a lawyer, and like a politician they talk before thinking whether they have any clue to what they're talking about or not. She should have had a teleprompter. Then you don't have to really know anything at all. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2M

RE: State of Maine

Contact The Myth Busters David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office 246 S. 14th Street Lincoln, NE 68508 402-471-9659 402-471-3118 fax www.sfm.ne.gov ** Note new email address: david.au...@nebraska.gov -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.

Re: State of Maine

Has anyone tried to duplicate the cask and gunpowder? If not, it needs to be done. At 01:56 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >According to the sixth edition of the Automatic Sprinkler Systems >Handbook, "The first automatic fire extinguishing system on record was >patented in England in 1723 and consis

Re: State of Maine

According to the sixth edition of the Automatic Sprinkler Systems Handbook, "The first automatic fire extinguishing system on record was patented in England in 1723 and consisted of a cask of water, a chamber of gunpowder, and a system of fuses." 1852 is the first perforated pipe system in the U.S.

Re: State of Maine

And don't forget the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, the FDA, the BATF, the Department of State, and then there's the Presidency as exemplified in the Oath of Office, or how about this: What is the Purpose of Government? What is the purpose of government? This question i

RE: State of Maine

I believe he's off just by about 65 years. In 1874 Parmelee installed his first system. David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office 246 S. 14th Street Lincoln, NE 68508 402-471-9659 402-471-3118 fax www.sfm.ne.gov ** Note new email address: david.au...@nebraska.gov -Or

Re: State of Maine

What confuses me is this phrase: "We've had the technology for 200 years to protect it and we don't embrace it," she said. What in the hell does that mean? -- PARSLEY CONSULTING Ken Wagoner, SET 760.745.6181 voice 760.745.0537 fax parsleyconsult...@cox.net e-m

RE: State of Maine

"You can't legislate against everything that can happen. You try to educate and make good decisions," Gifford said. This argument is without merit. The government has set precedent to "safeguard the people" in other ways; 1) Smoke Alarms & Carbon Monoxide Alarms. 2) Arc Fault (2008 NEC) and Groun

State of Maine

Another lawyer helping to save lives: GORHAM, Maine -- A provision in state building code to require sprinkler systems in some newly built homes could dry up before it even gets written. Maine fire safety officials have lobbied the state to require sprinkler systems in newly built single- and

Re: column enclosure

You're going to to have to use sound reasoning so good luck. The fact that the TC can NOT address every possible situation and that you have the exact issue addressed except for the exterior aspect AND you have an allowance that that is worse (from a risk perspective) with the pipe chase i

RE: column enclosure

Todd, Unless the column enclosure extends through the concealed space to the deck,with full protection of the concealed space,this area is already covered.Just a thought. Todd Williams wrote: > Studs on the inside, sheetrock on the outside. This is an > inaccessible combustible concealed

RE: column enclosure

Studs on the inside, sheetrock on the outside. This is an inaccessible combustible concealed space. Steel protection is not required; this is strictly an enclosure issue. At 08:30 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >You are asking about spinklering the enclosed space around the >column? Isn't this a in

RE: column enclosure

It's not so much column protection as it is the combustible concealed space. At 08:24 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >If the construction type of the building is VB, you can argue that the >columns do not require protection (see IBC Table 601). > >Or have the contractor fill the void space with insulat

RE: column enclosure

You are asking about spinklering the enclosed space around the column? Isn't this a inaccessible concealed space, is the wood on the outside with sheetrock on the inside? If the sheetrock is on the inside then it would be a non-combustible concealed space, and your reference could be applied,

RE: column enclosure

If the construction type of the building is VB, you can argue that the columns do not require protection (see IBC Table 601). Or have the contractor fill the void space with insulation: 8.14.2.7. Duane Johnson, PE Program Manager Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Researc

column enclosure

I am working on a project which is a 2-story clubhouse. It is primarily wood frame with some steel beams and columns. The steel columns are being enclosed with wood studs and sheetrock. The space around the column is 4-6 square feet. There is nothing but the column within these spaces. The ques