[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations
Learn something new every day. On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:06 AM John Denhardt wrote: > Correct - for standpipe calculations purposes, buildings protected with > NFPA 13R systems do not meet the requirements to limit the flow to 1,250 GPM > > 10.6.1.1.6 in NFPA 14 - 2024 > > John August Denhardt, P.E. > Vice-President Engineering and Technical Services > American Fire Sprinkler Association > 301-343-1457 > > On Apr 3, 2024, at 09:49, Fpdcdesign wrote: > > > 13R buildings are not considered to be fully sprinklered. > > > > On Apr 3, 2024 at 9:45 AM, > wrote: > > Why would you do 1250 if it’s a fully sprinklered building? > > Shawn Foor, SET > > *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* > *10208 E 98TH ST* > *TULSA, OK 74133* > *P:918-237-1400* > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 08:43 wrote: > >> Asking this on behalf of Rowe Sprinkler Systems (Temporally Un-Retired) >> >> >> >> We have a 4-story modular apartment building sprinklered in accordance >> with NFPA 13R with allowed exceptions, with 4 standpipes. The standpipes >> are connected at the 1st floor level. One each at the ends of the L >> shaped building and two at the approximate mid-point on either side of a >> 2-hour separation wall with self-closing, rated doors in the corridor. >> >> The question is for purposes of calculating the standpipe can these be >> treated as two separate buildings? For example, 250 gpm at the far end of >> the 4th floor, 250 gpm at the far end of the 3rd floor and 250 gpm at >> the at the connecting point of the middle standpipe, for a total of 750 >> gpm. >> >> Or do we have to calculate the additional standpipes up to 1250 gpm. >> Available water is the issue. >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard L. Mote CET >> >> Rimrock Design Services, LLC >> >> Middleburg, PA 17842 >> >> Mobile 570-541-2685 >> >> EMAIL rimrock.design.servi...@gmail.com >> >> WEB: www.rimrockdesignservicesllc.com >> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rimrockdesignservicesllc.com%2F=05%7C02%7Cjdenhardt%40stricklandfire.com%7C52a2159dd68941f7805208dc53e4d0b2%7Cd658cbf30820420e8485ef2e373e8459%7C0%7C0%7C638477489453405076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C=k2q4EC6bKriuy5Qi1xyhuuooVD3MtZeManZT0WESZQ0%3D=0> >> >> >> >> _ >> SprinklerForum mailing list: >> >> https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org >> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.firesprinkler.org%2Flist%2Fsprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org=05%7C02%7Cjdenhardt%40stricklandfire.com%7C52a2159dd68941f7805208dc53e4d0b2%7Cd658cbf30820420e8485ef2e373e8459%7C0%7C0%7C638477489453415712%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C=BpLdmfm45fv%2FTRsIkSNhQKlVj%2F0mVqZXJAn4NHWheH8%3D=0> >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > > _ SprinklerForum > mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[Sprinklerforum] Re: Standpipe Calculations
Why would you do 1250 if it’s a fully sprinklered building? Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 08:43 wrote: > Asking this on behalf of Rowe Sprinkler Systems (Temporally Un-Retired) > > > > We have a 4-story modular apartment building sprinklered in accordance > with NFPA 13R with allowed exceptions, with 4 standpipes. The standpipes > are connected at the 1st floor level. One each at the ends of the L > shaped building and two at the approximate mid-point on either side of a > 2-hour separation wall with self-closing, rated doors in the corridor. > > The question is for purposes of calculating the standpipe can these be > treated as two separate buildings? For example, 250 gpm at the far end of > the 4th floor, 250 gpm at the far end of the 3rd floor and 250 gpm at the > at the connecting point of the middle standpipe, for a total of 750 gpm. > > Or do we have to calculate the additional standpipes up to 1250 gpm. > Available water is the issue. > > > > > > Richard L. Mote CET > > Rimrock Design Services, LLC > > Middleburg, PA 17842 > > Mobile 570-541-2685 > > EMAIL rimrock.design.servi...@gmail.com > > WEB: www.rimrockdesignservicesllc.com > > > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[Sprinklerforum] Re: Sprinklers in empty shell space
Typically I would remove the existing pendent sprinklers and space the uprights at ordinary hazard spacing. Utilizing the existing outlets and adding mech tees where needed. On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:09 PM Scott Harvey wrote: > Good evening, I have a question for the group. > > I’m working with a General Contractor who removed the drop ceiling in an > old Sears store. They are doing a T.I. for approx 1/3 of the space making > it into a medical office, the remaining 2/3 will remain an empty shell. Now > that the ceiling is gone the sprinklers are 6-8 ft below the roof deck. > > What is typical to protect an empty shell in this situation? Likely a > ceiling will be reinstalled when the space gets reoccupied so it seems a > little wasteful to relocate the sprinklers up to within 12” of the roof > deck to protect an empty non combustible structure. > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Below Mezzanine
What is the "roof" deck of the mezzanine constructed of? On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 8:24 AM Joe Burtell [MT-BILL] < jburt...@summitfiresecurity.com> wrote: > I have a soda manufacturing warehouse with ESFR at the roof deck. They are > building out some mezzanines in the middle of the warehouse that will have > bottling equipment. The engineer is requiring that below the mezzanine > have ESFR per NFPA 13 2019 9.5.5.3.3. I am questioning if the mezzanine is > really treated like an obstruction? I think it would be treated like > in-racks would and have its own design based on what’s under the mezzanine. > > > Joe > > Burtell | SET, CFPS > Fire Sprinkler Manager > D > C > > > 406-204-4653 > 406-861-4507 > 3004 1st Ave South > Billings > , > MT > 59101 > Office: > 406‑652‑7697 > www.summitfiresecurity.com > This information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for > the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, > dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon > this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient > is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and > destroy any copies of this information. > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[Sprinklerforum] Re: Pipe sleeve
Travis that is what I was thinking as well. So a piece of 4” pipe could use a 6” sleeve in a design catagory B and not have to use an 8” On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:35 Travis Mack wrote: > That clearance is in the seismic section. If SDC B, then the seismic stuff > does not apply. > > Travis Mack, SET > > *M.E.P.CAD* | > > 181 N. Arroyo Grande Blvd. #105 I Henderson, NV 89074 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/181+N.+Arroyo+Grande+Blvd.+%23105+I+Henderson,+NV+89074?entry=gmail=g> > > www.mepcad.com | *m: 480.547.9348* > > > > *AutoSPRINK | AutoSPRINK FAB | AutoSPRINK RVT | AlarmCAD* > > > > Book appointment time in my calendar > > https://calendly.com/t_mack_mepcad > > -- > *From:* Shawn Foor > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2023 6:29:50 AM > > *To:* sprinklerforum > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Pipe sleeve > > Does a pipe sleeve in a seismic design catagory B need to be 4” larger > than the pipe that is 4” or larger?-- > > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/10208+E+98TH+ST+%0D%0A+TULSA,+OK+74133?entry=gmail=g> > Shawn Foor, SET > > *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* > *10208 E 98TH ST > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/10208+E+98TH+ST+%0D%0A+TULSA,+OK+74133?entry=gmail=g>* > *TULSA, OK 74133 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/10208+E+98TH+ST+%0D%0A+TULSA,+OK+74133?entry=gmail=g>* > *P:918-237-1400* > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[Sprinklerforum] Pipe sleeve
Does a pipe sleeve in a seismic design catagory B need to be 4” larger than the pipe that is 4” or larger?-- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[Sprinklerforum] Re: Fire Station Apparatus Bay
I would calc it at OH2. On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 1:55 PM Brian Harris wrote: > Travis- > > Would an Apparatus Bay be considered a Automobile Parking Showroom (OH1) > or a Repair Garage (OH2)? We’re still in 2013 edition. > > > > *Brian Harris, CET* > > BVS Systems Inc. > > bvssytemsinc.com <http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > > > > > > *From:* Travis Mack > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 2:48 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Fire Station Apparatus Bay > > > > If you look at the 2022 edition of NFPA 13, you will see that automobile > parking garages are OH2. > > > > > > Travis Mack, SET > > *M.E.P.CAD* | > > 181 N. Arroyo Grande Blvd. #105 I Henderson, NV 89074 > > www.mepcad.com > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.mepcad.com%2f=E,1,1UOy-PAR_dU9fIRhYqdL4TwlqzmFeYVMlH0iBokhasf7UdVqUqxLSaIv6dphNaFylyGDN4u7eYsxZ2OcQfk8Xrwb6ElA9660vSLjzwIWqUqjXg,,=1> > | *m: 480.547.9348* > > > > *AutoSPRINK | AutoSPRINK FAB | AutoSPRINK RVT | AlarmCAD* > > > > Book appointment time in my calendar > > https://calendly.com/t_mack_mepcad > > > > *From:* Brian Harris > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 12:42 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Fire Station Apparatus Bay > > > > I’ve seen Apparatus Bays in fire stations protected both as OH1 & OH2. > Seems per code OH1 (car parking) would be appropriate? > > > > *Brian Harris, CET* > > BVS Systems Inc. > > Design Manager > > bvssystemsinc.com > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fbvssystemsinc.com%2f=E,1,mfxWdUshm9BD7obLcPfGh2VqX7R-vIlir7EjI0gm8A3_x8dAfUyE9fFD4H0XZTfdGEK4DPn5okUl_avA34UysvJT7f-N6UOCfAzbSlQOB7-6UtQm=1> > > Phone: 704.896.9989 > > Fax: 704.896.1935 > > > > > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[Sprinklerforum] Re: Self Storage
I would say minimum OHII can also see EHII. I am assuming would have to remain dry so you have to increase to 1950 and depending on slope of roof maybe even 2535 sqft On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 8:39 AM Fpdcdesign wrote: > What is the latest thought on the demand for a self storage location? I am > working on an existing location with 8ft high “rooms” with no ceiling (not > a Pod type). > > The existing system consists of two 1920s or 30s dry pipe, pipe schedule > system. 6” DPVs. I do not know if any hydraulic calculations have been done > previously. The plan is to add a backflow preventer and an FDC, but I will > need to do some analysis for the addition of the backflow. I’m trying to > avoid as much of a horror show as possible. Normally I would say that this > would be a great job for my competition but I can’t get out of it. > > Also, each dry valve has a 6” bypass around it with a normally closed > OS > > > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860-535-2080 (ofc) > 860-554-7054 (fax) > 860-608-4559 (cell) > > _ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* _ SprinklerForum mailing list: https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org
Omit sprinklers
Open web wood truss construction that is filled completely with spray foam insulation with gyp board placed on bottom of truss and a drop ceiling located 12" below gyp board would that space require sprinkler protection. -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: AutoSPRINK Test Calc
send it to me On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 7:04 AM Brian Harris via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Would anybody on here that uses AutoSPRINK be willing to take a look at a > file I'm working on? Calc's are way off, IMO, and I'm think it's something > wonky with my file. > > Brian Harris, CET > BVS Systems Inc. > Design Manager > bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > Phone: 704.896.9989 > Fax: 704.896.1935 > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Flexible assembly for Novec 1230 at seismic separation joint
What kind of pressure are you talking about? I think the fireloop is only rated to 300 psi On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 11:10 AM Jeff Normand via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > http://www.metrafire.com/fireloop/ > > Think they can be mounted horizontally and vertically. > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:44 AM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > > Has anyone had to provide a flexible assembly on a NOVEC 1230 system > where > > the piping has to pass through a seismic separation joint? > > > > Looking for options. Architect gave us no space for cylinders in the > > rooms, contractor says they can't make it happen. > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > > > > > > > > > NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged > > information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any > > viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by > > unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > > message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message > > and deleting it from your computer. > > ___ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Floor area less than required
That is the way I read it as well. You would have to add the additional 6 GPM. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Bob Knight via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > NFPA 13, 2016 ed. States: > > 23.4.4.2.5 Where the total design discharge from these oper- > > ating sprinklers is less than the minimum required discharge > > determined by multiplying the required design density times > > the required minimum design area, an additional flow shall be > > added at the point of connection of the branch line to the > > cross main furthest from the source to increase the overall > > demand, not including hose stream allowance, to the mini- > > mum required discharge. > > > > This is kinda gray to me. Does it mean that if I have a light hazard area > that is only 884 sf (offices in a shop) > > and the area modifier being applied will allow for a 900 sf area, then I > would need a minimum discharge of 90 gpm over the entire area? > > Then, if my calculations bare out 92 gpm nothing else needs done, but if > they came out to 84 gpm an additional flow of 6 gpm would need to be added? > > > > Sorry about the run on sentences, just confused. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Bob Knight, CET III > > Fire by Knight, LLC > > 208-318-3057 > > [image: FBK-LOGO-EMAIL] > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: COVID-19
There have been several project around my area that are scheduling different contractors for different days. On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:10 Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > I think you will need to look at a local level. Our field operations are > in one metro area, and we are covered by 8 stay-at-home orders (2 states, 1 > city, 5 county) and 3 health advisories. That is in addition to CDC and WHO > guidelines. > > > > Matt > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 12:07 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Cc:* Mike Hairfield > *Subject:* COVID-19 > > > > What is the rule for having more than 10 people working on a job site? > > > > I've seen projects with more than 100 construction workers, is that legal? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: FDC pipe through exterior wall and outside freezing conditions
I try and get as close to 4' as I can without adding a bunch of elbows to the piping. On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:55 PM Sean.VanGaal via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Using NFPA 13 2016 as the reference standard > > > > What is everyone’s experience with minimum length of FDC piping between > the FDC check valve and the inside face of the exterior wall when the > inside is a heated space and the outside is subject to freezing > conditions? I have always aimed for 4ft similar to the requirements for > drains as outlined in 8.16.2.4.9. However this isn’t a codified distance > as far as I can tell for an FDC pipe. I checked 8.16.4.1 and do not see > any similar minimum length requirements, just other options for freeze > protection without giving a minimum length requirement. > > > > What have you all done? Do you think a 4ft is or is not a good idea? Do > you think 4ft would work as an “alternate method” per 8.16.4.1.1.1 since it > is acceptable for drains and a 4” pipe has more surface area exposed to > heat when compared to a 2” drain pipe? Is there an easier and/or cheaper > way that is supported by the code? > > > > Thank you for your time! > > > > Thanks, > > Sean VG > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: ESFR and Baffles
I would say you are in a building that you can’t use ESFR heads On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:53 Cliff Whitfield wrote: > What do you do when you have ESFR in a structure with W-Beams that are > less than 8’ apart but too deep to get the proper deflector distance > beneath them? > > > > Cliff Whitfield, SET > > President > > > > Fire Design, Inc. > > 184 Comfort Place > <https://maps.google.com/?q=184+Comfort+Place+Burnsville,+NC+28714+Ph:+828=gmail=g> > > Burnsville, NC 28714 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=184+Comfort+Place+Burnsville,+NC+28714+Ph:+828=gmail=g> > > Ph: 828 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=184+Comfort+Place+Burnsville,+NC+28714+Ph:+828=gmail=g> > -284-4772 > > > > [image: Description: New FDI Logo-4.jpg] > > > > cl...@fire-design.com > > www.fire-design.com > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum *On > Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G > *Sent:* Monday, April 1, 2019 11:22 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* ESFR and Baffles > > > > Posting to help a friend. > > > > I’ve always been taught that ESFR is 8’ minimum. You are not permitted to > use baffles or anything to reduce the minimum distance between ESFR > sprinklers. There is a respected FPE challenging this statement and trying > to use baffles to allow ESFR to be less than 8’. My friend asked my > opinion, but I wanted to see if others had any thoughts on this. > > > > > > > > [image: MFP_logo_F] <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > MFP Design, LLC > > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > <https://maps.google.com/?q=3356+E+Vallejo+Ct+Gilbert,+AZ+85298=gmail=g> > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=3356+E+Vallejo+Ct+Gilbert,+AZ+85298=gmail=g> > > 480-505-9271 > > fax: 866-430-6107 > > tm...@mfpdesign.com > > www.mfpdesign.com > > > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> > > > > *“**The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of > low price is forgotten.”* > > > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_-5793816217759120401_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: ESFR and Baffles
I would agree with your opinion Travis. NFPA allows for baffles for ordinary spray sprinklers but the same language can’t be found in regards to ESFR. The standard states the minimum of 64sqft for ESFR. On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:22 Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G < tm...@mfpdesign.com> wrote: > Posting to help a friend. > > > > I’ve always been taught that ESFR is 8’ minimum. You are not permitted to > use baffles or anything to reduce the minimum distance between ESFR > sprinklers. There is a respected FPE challenging this statement and trying > to use baffles to allow ESFR to be less than 8’. My friend asked my > opinion, but I wanted to see if others had any thoughts on this. > > > > > > > > [image: MFP_logo_F] <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > MFP Design, LLC > > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > <https://maps.google.com/?q=3356+E+Vallejo+Ct+Gilbert,+AZ+85298=gmail=g> > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=3356+E+Vallejo+Ct+Gilbert,+AZ+85298=gmail=g> > > 480-505-9271 > > fax: 866-430-6107 > > tm...@mfpdesign.com > > www.mfpdesign.com > > > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> > > > > *“**The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of > low price is forgotten.**”* > > > > > _______ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *10208 E 98TH ST* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers
I have had an architect and ahjs ask for intermediate temp head throughout so there wouldn’t be two different color bulbs On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 08:43 Kyle.Montgomery wrote: > Depends on how you read that table (6.2.5.1). The way I read it, says that > you can only use ordinary temp heads if your maximum ceiling temperature is > 100 degrees or less. > > > > And you can only use intermediate temperature heads if your maximum > ceiling temperature is 150 degrees or less. > > > > But it doesn’t say you can only use intermediate temp heads if your > maximum temperature is between 100 and 150 degrees. If the maximum ceiling > temperature is 85 degrees, that is still less than 150 degrees, so > intermediate is OK. > > > > I think a lot of people interpreted it incorrectly to mean you could ONLY > use intermediate temperature if the max ceiling temp was above 100 degrees, > which is why they added the language in 8.3.2.1. > > > > Think about the fact that we can use high-temp heads in ordinary and extra > hazard occupancies. Except during a fire, these areas probably aren’t > seeing temperatures over 150 degrees, right? > > > > But that still doesn’t totally solve the original poster’s problem, since > he has to work off of table 8.3.2.5( c ) for residential heads, although it > allows him to get a little closer. > > > > -Kyle M > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *BJ Newlin > *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 6:44 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers > > > > Are you allowed to use intermediate sprinklers everywhere? In 13 Section > 8.3.2.1 seems to interchange the use of intermediate and ordinary, but > table 6.2.5.1 indicates that if the maximum ceiling temperature does not > exceed 100° Ordinary sprinklers are to be used. > > > > I know this is a gray area we take advantage of to ensure our fitters > don’t have to look at what they’re installing, but is it technically in > compliance with code? > > > > > > *B.J. Newlin* > > Service Sales > > Aegis Fire Protection LLC. > > > > “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low > price is forgotten. “--Benjamin Franklin > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum *On > Behalf Of *ron fletcher > *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 2:56 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers > > > > Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity > won't matter. > > > > Ron F > > > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery > wrote: > > What Steve said. > > > > Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max > outlet temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a > furnace, there is a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical > designer/contractor should be able to answer the question. > > > > -Kyle M > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Leyton > *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:20 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers > > > > Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler. > > > > > > > > Steve Leyton > > > > (Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.) > > > > > > > > Original message > > From: Jerry Van Kolken > > Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00) > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers > > > > NFPA 13-*2016 Table* 8.3.2.5 (c) > > > > Reads > > > > Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser *Minimum Distance from > Edge of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler - 24” * > > > > What is the temp of “Hot Air”? > > > > Jerry Van Kolken > > *Millennium Fire Protection Corp.* > > 2950 San Luis Rey Rd. > > Oceanside, CA 92058 > > (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730 > > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.firesprinkler.org_listinfo.cgi_sprinklerforum-2Dfiresprinkler.org=DwMFaQ=wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA=Z_2A85VL7AQzoqudh6uOyS3bn8etxB7nLN8OBJwQd9A=pWaA7z6bYMam73-W3mwVPIrfGx6o-o4RbpysyHauhAU=C8gU_okaGYMsxtUoJSYuQ_vDn4BTbgW1GhoqPqnGHmI=> > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *7640 E 77th CT* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Arkansas rme test
Has anyone taken the test to become the rme for a company in Arkansas? If so what type of questions were on the test? -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *7640 E 77th CT* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Protecting Sprinkler Pipe from Magnetic Effects
I have always done cpvc in mri rooms On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 13:02 Micah Davis, SET wrote: > I received the following comment on a review in Ohio. This is a new one > for me. Does anyone have some insight into the kind of protection for the > piping we would need to provide? Are we talking about a dielectric union > or something? > > > > > Micah Davis, SET > NICET #124745 > Water Based Systems Layout, Level IV Dynamic Fire Designs > > Mail: micah.da...@dynamicfiredesigns.com > Mobile: 931-242-1299 > www.dynamicfiredesigns.com <http://dynamicfiredesigns.com> > > Dynamic Fire Designs • 247 Winthrop Dr. • Spring Hill • FL • 34609 > > This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise > protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have > received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete it > from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its contents to > anyone. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on > the Internet. > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Hose Connections - Main Stair Landings vs. Intermediate Landings
I have had the same conversation with several AHJs lately as well. What they have told me if put on the intermediate landing they can go to one location and attack two different floors from one hose va. Agree on a fully sprinkled building shoudnt really matter but.. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:35 PM Trever Williams < twilli...@unlimitedsprinkler.net> wrote: > From a practical standpoint does it matter if the hose connections in the > stairwells are installed on the main floor landings or the intermediate > landings? > > > > I remember learning years ago that it really doesn’t matter, and in a > fully sprinkled building it really, really doesn’t matter, but lately I’ve > been encountering AHJs that seem to think it matters. > > > > Trever Williams > > Design Manager > > Unlimited Sprinkler Fire Protection > > 130 Kristen Ln. > > Wylie, TX 75098 > > 214-349-8444 ex. 312 - Phone > > 214-349-8450 - Fax > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: AFSA Membership and NICET
Awesome. That is what I was thinking. I need to join NFPA and NFSA On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 11:15 PM, Travis Mack <tm...@mfpdesign.com> wrote: > Yes sir. We get points for AFSA, NFPA and NFSA. > > You get points for the AFSA webinars. > > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design- > LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to MFP Design via: > https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Shawn Foor <shawn.f...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Does being a member of AFSA count towards the points need every three > years for recertification? > > -- > Shawn Foor, SET > > *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* > *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* > *TULSA, OK 74133* > *P:918-237-1400* > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
AFSA Membership and NICET
Does being a member of AFSA count towards the points need every three years for recertification? -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Institutional sprinklers in 13R
I would think you could use the room design method to calc the most demanding room, and not calc the entire house. On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Fpdcdesign <fpdcdes...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am working on a group home which is being designed as NFPA 13R (2010). > The owner is requiring instutional sprinklers in the bedrooms only. I > cannot find any institutional residential sprinklers, so we are going to > have to use commercial QR instutional sprinklers. Section 6.2.1.3.1 states > that when using QR sprinklers, the density/area shall be a minimum of 0.10 > gpm/sqft over the entire dwelling unit. In this situation, based on the > NFPA 13R definition of dwelling unit, we would need to calculate 0.10 > gpm/sqft over the entire 2 story house. That doens't make sense. Am I > missing something? > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860-535-2080 (ofc) > 860-553-3553 (fax) > 860-608-4559 (cell) > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Remote Area w/ OH & LH sprinklers
Can you use the remote area reduction utilizing quick response heads and the other criteria mentioned in 11.2.3.2.3.1. This is in the 2010 edition I dont have the 13 edition in front of me right now. On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Micah Davis, SET < micah.da...@dynamicfiredesigns.com> wrote: > I have a mixed use Retail/Residential building protected per NFPA 13. I am > calcing the retail area at 0.20 gpm. The space is not large enough to get > the full 1500 sq ft so I have a few heads in the adjacent corridor in the > calcs to make up the difference. Normally, I calc the OH heads at 0.20 > gpm/sq ft and the LH heads at 0.10 gpm/sq ft. However, the engineer has > asked me to calc the LH heads at the 0.20 gpm rate since the wall > separating the two areas is not a rated wall. The problem I have with this > is that the LH heads are spaced for LH occupancy so they will become the > most demanding sprinklers (14 ft x 12 ft spacing = 168 sq ft x 0.20 gpm = > 33.6 gpm as opposed to the OH heads at 125 sq ft x 0.20 gpm = 25 fpm). This > doesn't seem right, but I cannot find a foothold in the standard to begin > the "discussion". 2013 edition is the adopted standard and it reads "Each > sprinkler in the design area and the remainder of the hydraulically > designed system shall discharge at a flow rate at least equal to the > stipulated minimum water application rate (density) multiplied by the area > of sprinkler operation (23.4.4.6.1)" This seems to support his request. Any > help out there? > > > Thank you, > Micah Davis > www.dynamicfiredesigns.com > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Webinar
My internet connection was interrupted. How do I get back in? On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Tom Duross <tduro...@comcast.net> wrote: > With handouts! > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Leyton > *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:53 AM > > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: Webinar > > > > There’s a webinar? > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of * > etamb...@aerofire.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:21 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: Webinar > > > > I have it at 10:00 MST > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Tim > Stone > *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:20 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: Webinar > > > > What time zone are you? > > It starts at > > Regards, > > *G. Tim Stone* > > > > *G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC* > > *NICET Level III Engineering Technician* > > *Fire Protection Sprinkler Design* > > *and Consulting Services* > > > > *117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452* > > *CELL: (802) 373-0638 <(802)%20373-0638> TEL: (802) 434-2968 > <(802)%20434-2968> Fax: (802) 434-4343 <(802)%20434-4343>* > >tston...@comcast.net > > > > 11:00 CST > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Duross > *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:17 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* Webinar > > > > Anyone else having trouble connecting to the webinar? > > > > Tom Duross > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: K for a 2½" Hose Valve
Just take your gallons divide by square root of pressure and you can get your k factor that way. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Vince Sabolik <vi...@wtfp.net> wrote: > I'm doing this by hand. > > > On 2/17/2017 9:35 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > > What program are you using to calc? > > > > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: AutoSprink plotting
Have you tried to increase the dpi? On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Rocci Cetani 3 <roc...@norcalfire.com> wrote: > Anyone have any tips for plotting AutoSprink files? I love everything > about the program but the plans are just not as crisp and clean as they are > with AutoCAD files. I know it’s a picture so it will never be as clean as > AutoCAD but looking for any tips from the longtime users…… > > > > > > *Rocci Cetani III, **CET* > > *Designer* > > *Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III* > > > > *Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc.* > > 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. A > > Morgan Hill, CA 93037 > > P-(408) 776-1580 EXT.111 <(408)%20776-1580> > > F-(408) 776-1590 > > > > > > roc...@norcalfire.com > > www.norcalfire.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any document accompanying it may > contain confidential information > > belonging to the sender. The information is intended only for the use of > individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or > the employee or agent responsible to deliver this message to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying or taking > of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please > immediately notify us by telephone to arrange for return of the documents. > > > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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Hello, I am a new member and am trying to figure out how this works. -- Shawn Foor, SET *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* *6227 S. 87TH E. AVE* *TULSA, OK 74133* *P:918-237-1400* ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
