RE: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-29 Thread Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
em down the rabbit hole either. Steve (Don't Taze me Bro) -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 6:56 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Kevin Hall Subject: Re: Airing of Grievances Reg

Re: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-29 Thread Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum
Scot, Thank you for your commentary on this subject and for sharing your opinion on the subject of open discussion related to money however, as I stated earlier, this is not the place for it. As president of the AFSA, it is my responsibility to ensure we deliver on out mission statement for

Re: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum
Regardless of your legal opinions on the matter, please refrain from pricing discussions as Bob stated earlier. As a reminder this forum has a specific set of rules that you agreed to when you signed up. Failure to adhere to the following will result of a loss in posting privileges. 1.

Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread å . . . . . . . via Sprinklerforum
I don't always agree with Steve, but on this I could not agree with Steve MORE. Open discussion of pricing is the opposite of price fixing. What forum is better for discussing pricing? Surely not the NFPA, who can't even reveal how they select new committee members. I know your warning, Mr.

Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread å . . . . . . . via Sprinklerforum
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Re: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum
gt; -Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:16 PM > To: Sprinklerforum > Cc: Fpdcdesign > Subject: Re: Airing of Grievances > > > > > Steve, that stu

Re: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread 321 via Sprinklerforum
ay, December 28, 2021 12:16 PM To: Sprinklerforum Cc: Fpdcdesign Subject: Re: Airing of Grievances           Steve, that stuff happens on the other coast, too. A few years ago I had someone come in at half the design price I quoted. I told the client I can’t come near that, so the other

RE: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
? SL -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:16 PM To: Sprinklerforum Cc: Fpdcdesign Subject: Re: Airing of Grievances Steve, that stuff happens on the other coast, too. A few years ago I had som

RE: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread Spencer Tomlinson via Sprinklerforum
Tomlinson, PE Owner, Fire Protection Engineer Ph:  316-202-6412 Fax: 316-202-2346 Cell: 620-955-7293 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 2:16 PM To: Sprinklerforum Cc: Fpdcdesign Subject: Re: Airing of Grievances

Re: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum
Steve, that stuff happens on the other coast, too. A few years ago I had someone come in at half the design price I quoted. I told the client I can’t come near that, so the other guy got it. A few months later, the low bidder called to hire me to get the plan through review. I told

Re: Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread BRUCE VERHEI via Sprinklerforum
I was just the low life plan reviewer. Forbidden to comment. It was just obvious to me sometimes that primary design intent of plan submittal was for plans to be rejected, with goal of renegotiating price. All I could do was write a review letter and put it on hold. Then six weeks later they

Airing of Grievances

2021-12-28 Thread Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
Since it's Festivus season, I thought I'd share this with the group. Our firm is scaled and resourced as a consulting engineering business model and not a "free-lance" drafting/design service. As such, we have direct and overhead costs that push our fees to the limits of what contractors