RE: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM

2009-04-01 Thread George Church
There's no doubt a wet system is best protection. ANY delay while you're in the room of origin is going to feel like forever if you're waiting for staff to evacuate your butt from your bed. Flashover comes to quick for the delayed dry system response to spare your life. This is pretty elementary.

RE: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM

2009-03-31 Thread Thom McMahon
-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM The NFPA 13 ROP and ROC both have items that should help clear up the issue

Re: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM

2009-03-31 Thread Roland Huggins
true but the text is weakly worded. The section that references the Table says based on the hazard not the type of sprinkler (as does the Table). I believe the intent was for residential sprinklers (for which a 15 sec requirement exists as part of the listing test standard) but writing

RE: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM

2009-03-31 Thread Tom Duross
I wish that existed many editions ago. One of our clients have 20+ group residences built in the 70's and 80's, more like large ranch houses, they house severely mentally retarded adults. Most have 3 or 4 DPV's and sch40 systems throughout the attics feeding uprights and dry pendents. Some of

RE: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM

2009-03-30 Thread Arthur Tiroly
I may be over thinking this problem. But I see an elderly person in a wheel chair that can care fore himself but may not move very fast in an emergency. Dry system activation will delay water application resulting in a longer pre-burn and a more likely poor outcome to the survivor. That's why we

Re: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM

2009-03-30 Thread Ron Greenman
Art, Where does the 15 seconds come from? I can't find anything in 13. Is it 101? is it a local requirement? On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Arthur Tiroly atir...@atcofirepro.com wrote: I may be over thinking this problem. But I see an elderly person in a wheel chair that can care fore

RE: RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY DRY SYSTEM

2009-03-30 Thread Ed Kramer
The NFPA 13 ROP and ROC both have items that should help clear up the issue. IF the proposals are accepted as written, any sprinkler protecting a dwelling unit (residential or QR) fed from a dry system will have to deliver water within 15 sec. (Reference section 7.2.3 and subsections) Ed Kramer