RE: Wall penetrations

2017-08-10 Thread Don Casey 
In a prior life, the folks at Hilti have provided me ‘Engineered Judgements’ 
for installations that don’t fully comply with the UL listing.

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Subject: Re: Wall penetrations

Eddy flow told me to contact the firestop companies. I would think this would 
have come up before now.

Quote:
"We do not perform any fire penetration tests on our sprinkler pipe.
Engineered Pipe (FLOW) has been manufactured for over 25 years.   I would think 
3M or others would have a fire rated penetration tested thru UL.   They have 
these details for electrical conduit/PVC Pipe which is a thinner wall thickness 
than a Flow sprinkler pipe. Please check with your fire stop manufacturer 
for their recommendations."

All the details I have looked at are, as bullmoose said, they are OK with EMT, 
PVC, Copper etc. But steel pipe has to be "Sch.10 (or heavier)"

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Did you contact Eddy Flow since they have a vested interest?



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I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of the 
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heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to Sch.10 
at the wall to penetrate it?

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Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-10 Thread Gary Stites 
Eddy flow told me to contact the firestop companies. I would think this
would have come up before now.

Quote:
"We do not perform any fire penetration tests on our sprinkler pipe.
Engineered Pipe (FLOW) has been manufactured for over 25 years.   I would
think 3M or others would have a fire rated penetration tested thru UL.
They have these details for electrical conduit/PVC Pipe which is a thinner
wall thickness than a Flow sprinkler pipe. Please check with your fire
stop manufacturer for their recommendations."

All the details I have looked at are, as bullmoose said, they are OK with
EMT, PVC, Copper etc. But steel pipe has to be "Sch.10 (or heavier)"

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:39 AM, Roland Huggins 
wrote:

> Did you contact Eddy Flow since they have a vested interest?
>
>
> Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering
>
> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.
>
> Dallas, TX
>
> http://www.firesprinkler.org
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>
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>
>
>
>> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces
>> @lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Gary Stites
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 4:18 PM
>> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>> *Subject:* Wall penetrations
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Forumites!
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of
>> the firestop details from Hilti or 3M say the penetrant shall be "Sch.10 or
>> heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to
>> Sch.10 at the wall to penetrate it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks guys...
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
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Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-10 Thread Roland Huggins 
Did you contact Eddy Flow since they have a vested interest?


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> 
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Gary 
> Stites
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 4:18 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org 
> 
> Subject: Wall penetrations
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Forumites!
> 
>  
> 
> I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of the 
> firestop details from Hilti or 3M say the penetrant shall be "Sch.10 or 
> heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to 
> Sch.10 at the wall to penetrate it?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks guys...
> 
> -- 
> 
> Gary Stites
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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-09 Thread Mark . Phelps 
Just my perception maybe, but a water filled pipe would be much less likely to 
fail when subjected to fire , regardless of the wall thickness, than a dry 
(Empty)pipe.

Mark at Aero

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Wall penetrations

It's a wet system, but why would that matter?

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Mark.Phelps 
<mphe...@aerofire.com<mailto:mphe...@aerofire.com>> wrote:
Matt, is the system wet pipe, dry or pre-action?

Mark at Aero

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Wall penetrations

Not any one in particular... they all say "Sch.10 or heavier". I'm just looking 
for a way to penetrate with thinner wall pipe.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Matt Grise 
<m...@afpsprink.com<mailto:m...@afpsprink.com>> wrote:
What hilti product are you looking at?

Matt


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Subject: Wall penetrations

Hello Forumites!

I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of the 
firestop details from Hilti or 3M say the penetrant shall be "Sch.10 or 
heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to Sch.10 
at the wall to penetrate it?

Thanks guys...
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-09 Thread Gary Stites 
It's a wet system, but why would that matter?

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Mark.Phelps <mphe...@aerofire.com> wrote:

> Matt, is the system wet pipe, dry or pre-action?
>
>
>
> Mark at Aero
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler.
> org] *On Behalf Of *Gary Stites
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 2:45 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Wall penetrations
>
>
>
> Not any one in particular... they all say "Sch.10 or heavier". I'm just
> looking for a way to penetrate with thinner wall pipe.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Matt Grise <m...@afpsprink.com> wrote:
>
> What hilti product are you looking at?
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler.
> org] *On Behalf Of *Gary Stites
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 4:18 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* Wall penetrations
>
>
>
> Hello Forumites!
>
>
>
> I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of
> the firestop details from Hilti or 3M say the penetrant shall be "Sch.10 or
> heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to
> Sch.10 at the wall to penetrate it?
>
>
>
> Thanks guys...
>
> --
>
> Gary Stites
>
> *805-769-GMAN*
>
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>
>
>
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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-09 Thread Mark . Phelps 
Matt, is the system wet pipe, dry or pre-action?

Mark at Aero

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Wall penetrations

Not any one in particular... they all say "Sch.10 or heavier". I'm just looking 
for a way to penetrate with thinner wall pipe.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Matt Grise 
<m...@afpsprink.com<mailto:m...@afpsprink.com>> wrote:
What hilti product are you looking at?

Matt


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Subject: Wall penetrations

Hello Forumites!

I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of the 
firestop details from Hilti or 3M say the penetrant shall be "Sch.10 or 
heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to Sch.10 
at the wall to penetrate it?

Thanks guys...
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Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-09 Thread Gary Stites 
Not any one in particular... they all say "Sch.10 or heavier". I'm just
looking for a way to penetrate with thinner wall pipe.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Matt Grise  wrote:

> What hilti product are you looking at?
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler.
> org] *On Behalf Of *Gary Stites
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 4:18 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* Wall penetrations
>
>
>
> Hello Forumites!
>
>
>
> I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of
> the firestop details from Hilti or 3M say the penetrant shall be "Sch.10 or
> heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to
> Sch.10 at the wall to penetrate it?
>
>
>
> Thanks guys...
>
> --
>
> Gary Stites
>
> *805-769-GMAN*
>
> *​www.sprinklersoft.com *
>
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RE: Wall penetrations

2017-08-09 Thread Matt Grise 
What hilti product are you looking at?

Matt


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Subject: Wall penetrations

Hello Forumites!

I'm penetrating some walls with listed thinwall pipe (Eddy Flow). All of the 
firestop details from Hilti or 3M say the penetrant shall be "Sch.10 or 
heavier". Is their a detail for listed thinwall? Do I have to upsize to Sch.10 
at the wall to penetrate it?

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