Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Not to be argumentative with Keith, as I'm have the sinking feeling that slitting my own throat would be a more pleasurable experience. But, here it goes: A *lexicon* is a list of words that belong to a particular language. Sometimes, *lexicon* is used as another word for *thesaurus* (see below) A *dictionary* is a list of words and phrases that are (or were) in common usage, *together with their definitions* - so a dictionary is different from a lexicon because a lexicon is a simple list and doesn't define the words. A *thesaurus* is a dictionary of synonyms (different words and phrases that have the same or similar meaning). Finally, for completeness, a *vocabulary* is a list of words that an individual knows or uses regularly. Vocabulary is different from lexicon because vocabulary is about what an individual or group of people know, whereas lexicon is about the language itself. On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:52 PM Keith Medcalf wrote: > > >> I can highly recommend the book “Word by Word: The Secret Life of > >> Dictionaries,” written by one of the editors at Merriam-Webster. > >> The author spends much of her book illustrating why prescriptivist > >> approaches to language are doomed to failure. > > Merriam-Webster does not publish a Dictionary. The thing that most 'tards > refer to as a "Dictionary" is actually a Lexicon, not a Dictionary. > > Now back to our regularly scheduled programming ... > > -- > The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says > a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > > > ___ > sqlite-users mailing list > sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org > http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users > ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
>> I can highly recommend the book “Word by Word: The Secret Life of >> Dictionaries,” written by one of the editors at Merriam-Webster. >> The author spends much of her book illustrating why prescriptivist >> approaches to language are doomed to failure. Merriam-Webster does not publish a Dictionary. The thing that most 'tards refer to as a "Dictionary" is actually a Lexicon, not a Dictionary. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming ... -- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Warren Young, on Friday, July 12, 2019 12:53 PM, wrote... > > On Jul 12, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Jose Isaias Cabrera, on > > "an historical oversight" is the correct English syntax, by the way. ;-) > > I can highly recommend the book “Word by Word: The Secret Life of > Dictionaries,” written by one of the editors at Merriam-Webster. The > author spends much of her book illustrating why prescriptivist approaches > to language are doomed to failure. I wouldn't read that. Anything that tells me that doing the right thing is going to make me fail in life, is not worth reading. ;-) Can you imagine if we started sending any command to the SQLite3 tool? For example, HEY SQL TOOL, GIVE ME THE LIST OF ALL THE LAST NAME THAT START WITH C; NOW!; That wouldn't get you anywhere. There is an old proverb that goes something like, "Do no remove the ancient landmarks that your fathers have set." When we start doing we what want, we lose our point of reference. :-) Sorry. Back to coding... josé ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Folks, lets return to charter, please. DRH is writing the document. He gets to pick the language to be used. You want something else, write your own. ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Note here "AN H", not "A H", because when saying "H", it starts with a vowel sound Re: Aitch vs. Haitch: https://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/2013/nov/04/letter-h-contentious-alphabet-history-alphabetical-rosen On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, Stephen Chrzanowski wrote: "an historical oversight" feels dirty to me, mostly because it's an incomplete sentence and can be understood in different ways. It's a "point", or answer to a question. In my verbage, "historical" begins with an H (Note here "AN H", not "A H", because when saying "H", it starts with a vowel sound). Its the same as you wouldn't say "I hear an hissing noise", or "I just learned an History Lesson". Words prefixed with the sound "HISS" should be prefixed with "A" in my mind, unless the H is silent, like Honor or Honest. However, that said, it'd also probably depend on what the sentence is going to be describing. "I went to a historical event" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, while "I went to an historical event" feels better, because I think the E in Event carries over to the "AN", or, it could be a past vs present meaning of the sentence. But if I say "I've just learned a historical lesson", the "L" sound in Lesson doesn't carry over correctly to "AN". Let me be clear I'm not saying you're wrong or right, just that, in my head and my syntax when I write sentences, anything that begins with H would end up having an "A" prefix. I don't use the word Historical or History all that often, so I can't say how I've written it out in the past. That said, the point of the sentence is presented whether "AN" or "A" is used, in my opinion. This is going down the lines of (Dare I say) is it ESS-QUE-EL or "SEEK-WIL". In my case, if I were to read that entire paragraph, I probably wouldn't even blink on "... an historical oversight ..." or "... a historical oversight ...". ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
"an historical oversight" feels dirty to me, mostly because it's an incomplete sentence and can be understood in different ways. It's a "point", or answer to a question. In my verbage, "historical" begins with an H (Note here "AN H", not "A H", because when saying "H", it starts with a vowel sound). Its the same as you wouldn't say "I hear an hissing noise", or "I just learned an History Lesson". Words prefixed with the sound "HISS" should be prefixed with "A" in my mind, unless the H is silent, like Honor or Honest. However, that said, it'd also probably depend on what the sentence is going to be describing. "I went to a historical event" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, while "I went to an historical event" feels better, because I think the E in Event carries over to the "AN", or, it could be a past vs present meaning of the sentence. But if I say "I've just learned a historical lesson", the "L" sound in Lesson doesn't carry over correctly to "AN". Let me be clear I'm not saying you're wrong or right, just that, in my head and my syntax when I write sentences, anything that begins with H would end up having an "A" prefix. I don't use the word Historical or History all that often, so I can't say how I've written it out in the past. That said, the point of the sentence is presented whether "AN" or "A" is used, in my opinion. This is going down the lines of (Dare I say) is it ESS-QUE-EL or "SEEK-WIL". In my case, if I were to read that entire paragraph, I probably wouldn't even blink on "... an historical oversight ..." or "... a historical oversight ...". On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:16 PM Jose Isaias Cabrera wrote: > > Warren Young, on Thursday, July 11, 2019 03:13 PM, wrote... > > > > On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Richard Hipp, on > > > > > > Here in the Southeastern US (specifically in Charlotte, NC) we really > > > do say "an historical oversight". If you said "a historical > > > oversight", people would look at you funny. > > "an historical oversight" is the correct English syntax, by the way. ;-) > ___ > sqlite-users mailing list > sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org > http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users > ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
On Jul 12, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Jose Isaias Cabrera wrote: > >>> Here in the Southeastern US (specifically in Charlotte, NC) we really >>> do say "an historical oversight". If you said "a historical >>> oversight", people would look at you funny. > > "an historical oversight" is the correct English syntax, by the way. ;-) I can highly recommend the book “Word by Word: The Secret Life of Dictionaries,” written by one of the editors at Merriam-Webster. The author spends much of her book illustrating why prescriptivist approaches to language are doomed to failure. https://amzn.to/2xJW65R ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Warren Young, on Thursday, July 11, 2019 03:13 PM, wrote... > > On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Richard Hipp, on > > > > Here in the Southeastern US (specifically in Charlotte, NC) we really > > do say "an historical oversight". If you said "a historical > > oversight", people would look at you funny. "an historical oversight" is the correct English syntax, by the way. ;-) ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
On 2019-07-11 2:31 PM, Carl Edquist wrote: Ginger tells me that "a historical" is technically correct, AFAICT, "an historical" is correct iff the "h" in "historical" is silent. Eg, "It's an 'istorical oversight to pronounce the 'h' in 'historical'." From the New Oxford American Dictionary entry for "an" -- "usage: Is it ’a historical document’ or ’an historical document’? ‘A hotel’ or ‘an hotel’? There is still some divergence of opinion over which form of the indefinite article should be used before words that begin with h- and have an unstressed first syllable. In the 18th and 19th centuries, people often did not pronounce the initial h for these words, and so an was commonly used. Today the h is pronounced, and so it is logical to use a rather than an. However, the indefinite article an is still encountered before the h in both British and American English, particularly with historical: in the Oxford English Corpus around a quarter of examples of historical are preceded with an rather than a." An is fading in this usage but certainly still acceptable. -- Ned ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Ginger tells me that "a historical" is technically correct, AFAICT, "an historical" is correct iff the "h" in "historical" is silent. Eg, "It's an 'istorical oversight to pronounce the 'h' in 'historical'." On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Richard Hipp wrote: On 7/11/19, David Raymond wrote: Section 5: "Due to an historical oversight" Due to [a] historical oversight Here in the Southeastern US (specifically in Charlotte, NC) we really do say "an historical oversight". If you said "a historical oversight", people would look at you funny. Ginger tells me that "a historical" is technically correct, but I'm going with what people (here) actually say. :-) All the other corrections, in this email and in other recent mailing list posts, should now have been applied. Thanks, everybody, for sending them in. Please feel free to do so at any time. You can send them directly to me if you don't want to send them to the mailing list. -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > Here in the Southeastern US (specifically in Charlotte, NC) we really > do say "an historical oversight". If you said "a historical > oversight", people would look at you funny. … :) ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
On 7/11/19, David Raymond wrote: > Section 5: > "Due to an historical oversight" > Due to [a] historical oversight > Here in the Southeastern US (specifically in Charlotte, NC) we really do say "an historical oversight". If you said "a historical oversight", people would look at you funny. Ginger tells me that "a historical" is technically correct, but I'm going with what people (here) actually say. :-) All the other corrections, in this email and in other recent mailing list posts, should now have been applied. Thanks, everybody, for sending them in. Please feel free to do so at any time. You can send them directly to me if you don't want to send them to the mailing list. -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
On 7/11/19, David Raymond wrote: > Section 5: > "Due to an historical oversight" > Due to [a] historical oversight > Here in the Southeastern US (specifically in Charlotte, NC) we really do say "an historical oversight". If you said "a historical oversight", people would look at you funny. Ginger tells me that "a historical" is technically correct, but I'm going with what people (here) actually say. :-) All the other corrections, in this email and in other recent mailing list posts, should now have been applied. Thanks, everybody, for sending them in. Please feel free to do so at any time. You can send them directly to me if you don't want to send them to the mailing list. -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Other small ones from the Quirks page: Section 2: "to realize the SQLite is not intended as" to realize [that] SQLite is not intended as Section 3.2: "SQLite as no DATETIME datatype." SQLite [has] no DATETIME datatype Section 5: "Due to an historical oversight" Due to [a] historical oversight Section 6: "each output row might be composed from two more more rows" each output row might be composed from two [or] more rows "then the one of the rows is chosen arbitrarily" then one of the rows is chosen arbitrarily Section 8: "into bad habit of" into [the] bad habit of or into bad habit[s] of (I always feel a little weird when pointing out typos as the meaning is usually perfectly fine the way it is, it feels like I'm being overly critical, and I worry my "corrections" are also not quite right) -Original Message- From: sqlite-users On Behalf Of Don V Nielsen Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 10:58 AM To: General Discussion of SQLite Database Subject: Re: [sqlite] Grammar police Sorry. This was in the Quirks, Caveats page, #2. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:57 AM Don V Nielsen wrote: > " An application interact with the database engine using function calls, > not be sending messages to a separate process or thread." > > "An applications [interacts] ..., [not by]... > > > ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] Grammar police
Sorry. This was in the Quirks, Caveats page, #2. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:57 AM Don V Nielsen wrote: > " An application interact with the database engine using function calls, > not be sending messages to a separate process or thread." > > "An applications [interacts] ..., [not by]... > > > ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
