To those of the list,
I have just read a sales insert from Hornby regarding their latest
producta HO/OO scale electrically heated live steam A4 ( British
4-6-2). It looks amazing. The electrically heated boiler is in the
tender, all the electronics and dual chime whistles are in the
loads.
Steve
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We will be hosting a steamup as part of the annual Morgan Hill railroad
day
layout tour Saturday June 21.
Gary Broeder
Tony,
Glad you will be able to attend! I have full length tracked on the steamup
bay now. I have been quite busy trying to make a living selling track.
Heads above water still. Also keeping an eye open for possible real job!
Gary
We will be hosting a steamup as part of the annual Morgan Hill railroad day
layout tour Saturday June 21.
Gary Broeder
Geoff,
I am still looking for the top. But would be glad to sell it.
Gary
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From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: One Last thing . . . . . . .
Gary,
Your
Jim and others,
I have had squirrels chew on the black plastic Tenmille ground throws, but
not on the tiesyet.
Gary Broeder
Kevin,
Building one would be no real problem. Keeping it operating well outdoors
would be the challange. I have done sprung point turnouts that seem to work
well using Kadee LS coupler springs for the light pressure required on the
point rails. As long as reasonably weighted rolling stock is
-
Gary
Just remember that most prototype turnouts above #16 have frogs that close
off the unselected route by moving the closure rail against the point.
True Jim,
These were called spring rail frogs and are in use even on the sharp #7
sidings at the grain bins here in town providing a
point
lead will need to be 34 real inches with a closure rail radius of 29. 2
feet.
As a point of interest here some real turnouts used #24 frogs with a lead
distance of 185 feet and a radius of 5600 feet!
Gary Broeder
I'm ordering a frog and points to build a switch and I want to make
sure
has is less wheelset to track gauge side slop, this being .75 mm total
for 1F and 2 mm total for non 1F standard.
Gary Broeder
-18 % nickel
silver. The remainder being copper at 63- 66% and zinc at 18-19% with trace
amounts of lead and and iron .
Gary Broeder
Llagas Creek Rwys
Robb,
You could make one that pumps up and down. I recall seeing one in a past
issue of Garden Rail. I have locos with cross wise and front to back, they
both work fine. Forward to back is nice if you are between 2 rows of
locos/trains.
GaryB
starter motor though! At least Roundhouse, and a few
others, are doing a good job.
Gary Broeder
These will all be electric models, AFAIK, but he's also selling prefab tie
strips (custom made for him by Llagas Creek, I believe), so you won't have
to lay your own track
Those of the list,
Although I did entertain the idea at one time I told David to go for it He
will be doing his own F
Mike, and other inquiring minds of the list,
Sharp eyes Mike. I noticed that Tom's (or maybe it was Colin's) line drawing
also shows them the wrong way round too!
Is Tom still tinkering around over there?
GaryB
Mike, Tag and others of the list,
Indeed, Tom has got a few of us into steamy end of this hobby. I have a few
issues of Steamlines and many of Garden Railway World which ,when they came
out , were a most enjoyable read. Tag, I am sure that is where I first read
of you!
He came over to this
which also make for smoother running.
By the way, that # 24 turnout I mentioned above has a closure rail radius of
5600 feet. Yep over a mile radius, let's see using 1:32 scale that would be
a 175 foot actual radius curve on a turnout about 7 feet long!
Gary Broeder
LCRwys.
Regarding the use of white gas:
I have posted on this before although it has been some time. I have a model
traction engine that my Grandfather scratch built some 80 years ago. It was
designed to use white gas and still runs to this day on said fuel. It has a
burner that you pump up like the
Is there a standard height for an 8BA model engineering nut ?
I have noticed in the smaller US sizes, 1-72, 0-80 ets, that scale size
nuts are offered in addition to the standard. Perhaps this also common in
BA?
GaryB
Susan and others of the list,
Although I did enjoy the movie, let's hope that there are a few more
loco/train shots in HP II. For, as many of us know, a steam locomotive with
a few coaches can weave a spell of their own.
GaryB
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From: Susan JL Parker [EMAIL
I understand the GWR purists ARE bedside themselves over this.
Harry
Those of the list,
It is too bad that the purists are so upset. They should realize the good
in the world wide exposure of one of their beloved locomotives. Despite her
thin coat of paint, all of us of the list are now
Those of the list,
There is actually a cookbook available on the subject of engine cooked
meals.
GaryB
I used to cook whole meals on the manifold of my 600hp CAT while trucking
freight across the nation.
Jess
Those of the list,
Stretch at COC has selling steam oil here on the West coast for a year or
two. I beleave he gets it in 1 gallon containers. Might be worth a call to
see if he will decant a quart or such for you which should lasy a long time.
I know Mc Master Carr ( you need a com. account)
Walt and those of the list,
All of the code 250 NS rail rail supplied by Micro Engineering and Llagas
Creek has a Ni content of 18 %. As I recall in a conversation with Rich
Garich of GLT (now Sunset Valley) his rail was 18 % as well. That covers
all the code 250 except the new Old Pullman 250
Geoff, and those of the list,
It might be worth noting an interesting find in the latest Northern
Hydraulics catalog. a corn fired wood stove. While I do not have any
data on the BTU per Lb. of corn, I does make one think. I bet you could run
a loco on it. I wonder if it would smell like a
I have used Trex on my elivated railroad with PETS frames for 4 years
now.
Don,
What thickness Trex do you use?
GaryB
Jonathan, and others,
I have used plywood on all of my layout including the elevated and what is
on the ground ( in ground) buried in the mud! I have had the best of luck
simply using roofing emulsion as a coating. That's right the tar goop that
comes in the 1 or 5 gallon can. Paint it on with
Vance, Eric and others,
Regarding the slip of drivers on code 215 NS rail or any other material or
size rail: The main problem, when there is one , is the material of the
driver or tire. Stainless steel drivers seem to slip more than others. My
Pannier 0-6-0 with such drivers would slip easier
The Accucraft C-16 that Harlen Barr had at my last steam-up was most
impressive. It pulled a good train and ran 4 complete laps or about what we
figured was near 2000 feet 1 boiler fill.
I could not beleave how smoothly it ran at slow speed. Good as, perhaps
better than an electric!
Gary B
Regarding the grease mentioned:
There is a product, supplied by GB electronics I believe and sold in
hardware stores in the electrical dept., that is is an anti-oxidant paste
about the same consistency as toothpaste. This has been recommended for use
with aluminum electrical connections and
Mike,
I hope to be.
I am trying to finish up Dan's Daylight. He wanted me to come up and install
some Del-Aire on a few turnouts as well. Will you be there?
Gary
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The stainless steel rail clamps you write of are made by Split Jaw in
Portland, OR.
GaryB
Mike,
Will there be a dealer room?
Gary
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Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: Door Prize Flyer ERROR!!!
All,
I recently sent out ~50 postcards to dealers
Group,
As I recall Erv was among the first with an all 16 mil gauge 0 steam layout
in the US. His garden line was one of the layouts featured in West Lawn's
(Pete Olson) video on Garden Railways that was produced in the 1980s.
Gary Broeder
Your track ok now?.
Right as rain!
How many of my neighbors cats should I bring, just in case?.
How about a Yorkshire Terrier?. Or a Ferret?.
Actually I would like to see a Ferret!
I assume you are providing drinking cups?.
Refreshments and light
You should be horse-whipped for using such an intelligent life-form for
such a
menial, demeaning task! B-)
73, John de VK2XGJ
Dogs have Masters
Cats have staff.
John, and any others intent on horse-whipping me,
I have bestowed an important task upon my worthy cat.
Tag, and others,
Your mention of the cat was timely as I just found a use for said beast this
evening. I was in the back garden preping the line for an open day in 2
weeks when I noticed all those cobwebs in the tunnel. Spoting one of our
fine felines nearby I called to my wife Cheri. Would you
So Merlin loco works knew how to
do it almost 20 yrs ago!
I wouldn't think I would bestow credit on Tom Cooper aka Mr. Merlin. Most
likely it was one of the Becks that he was converting at the time. These
were cataloged as Merlin Beck Engineering Ltd. one of which was called
Maestro. A clear
measures .198.
If you want that real small rail look code 148 is still available from Old
Pullman, Micro Engineering and Right O way, but be ready to turn those
flanges down!
Gary Broeder
Llagas Creek Railways
Have the conversions John Shawe has made been from gas or alcohol?
John has converted the well known gas fired Roundhouse Sandy River #24 to
coal as well as others. I read an article some time ago in Tom Cooper's
Steamlines where John reboilered an Aster Schools to coal fired. I recall
.
A question: Why do round nails and spikes cause wood to crack more than
square RR spikes?
Walt
It depends on the tip of the spike as mentioned. This is also why old square
cut nails with blunt points hold in the wood better than the new round
type. They cut into the wood forcing the fibers
It is not the horizontal expansion that does the job, it is the vertical
Walt,
If that is the case, how much do you think the steel or stainless steel
spike elongates over a 100 degree temperature swing?
What kind of temperature swing do you have in your area?
Gary
Tony,
I trust you had a wonderful steamup on Saturday. It turned out to be a very
nice day.
Sorry I could not make it. I was up at Dan's doing some track relocation. I
got most of the upper loop set to 11' 6" radius which is just enough to get
those 80' Daylight cars through without knocking
Just to show what the difference in climate can make, here in CA. I still
have a portion of hand spiked track that has been in use since 1986. It was
spiked with Walthers large spikes that are 9/16 long with a .030 square
shank and a .060 X .080 head. The spike heads are still intact. I have not
I am thinking about starting to hand laying some track and
constructing some points/switches and would like some feed back on where
to obtain supplies for this task .
Paul Gamlin
While there are suppliers out there that have a fair amount of goods I
would recommend a call to COC in OR (
Regarding the new Accucraft Shay: Having seen the prototype a few weeks ago
at the BAGRS show I can, without a doubt, tell you that it is worth the
asking price. It is not a simple little 0-4-0 like the Ruby. It has a real
"T" or "boot" style boiler which is more costly to produce than the
Jon,
South on 101 (take Bailey exit to Monterey highway south of Blossom Hill
road if the traffic gets bad) south on Monterey or 101 till you get to
Morgan Hill (Cochrane exit west if on 101) south on Monterey hwy under the
Green RR bridge and sharp RH onto Old Monterey North a few hunderd
Well, I am usually up at 7:00 A.M. sweeping leaves off the track and getting
all things tidy ,so you could just get over here at say 8:00 A.M. and run
till 6:00 P.M.
Yes, it's the first "Day before April fools day Morgan Hill steamup".
Any "steam head" in the S F bay ar
If someone could come up with a reasonable drawing I
would be glad to get a real world price from the shop we worked with. The
big problem with PM is that a great many shops won't talk to you if you are
doing under a few thousand parts which could be a problem if you only
ordered 200 drivers.
Gary Broeder
Do any CA folk know if the steamup layout will be at the BAGRS meeting in
March?
GaryB
The traction tires I'm talking about would be like putting a rubber band on
the wear surface of the wheel.
Keep your steam up!
Walt
I think oily rubber would be worse that stainless steel!
GaryB
I
sure wish we could get good iron castings in our scales
-vance-
Vance,
All of the wheel castings I have used from Locosteam and Walsall have turned like
butter in my Unimat 3". For
traction cast iron can not be beat.
I also recall an ad from Argyle loco in Australia some time ago
Folks,
I have tried many things to clean oil covered locos and the best I have found is Tilex
soap scum remover. Most
supermarkets and hardware stores stock it. We also use it at work to get sensitive
circuit boards spotlessly
clean. (Flux removal). It is the best degreaser I have found
Harry, but we are talking about a pressurized
system and the water won't just "push" the oil into the steam line--there
MUST be a pressure differential! Certainly the water displaces the oil, (
thus a displacement lubricator)-
Geoff, and others, Oil floats on water that is the only "presure "
Trent and others,
LGB 1100 is 60 cm radius, 1500 is 77.5 cm radius and the 1600 is 117.5 cm
radius.(117.5 cm = 46.25" so it
is actually less than 4 foot radius. )
Frog #s are length over diistance apart or 4 feet out from the half point (sharp end)
and 1 foot apart would be a
#5 frog. In
Just a thought.
If the rail is bundled and/or packaged immediately following manufacture, most
of the rail should be oriented the same.
Ok, maybe not a good thought, but it may spark another idea or two.
Trent,
Actually this has been thought of. Micro Engineering buys their rail from
At least this should keep the Bumble bees away for a while!
Gary B
"Until further notice, all train movements on The SWAMP RR are suspended.
The bumble bee was thought too heavy for its wings
given the previously understood pattern of wing motion.
And our steam engine takes advantage of this little known fact somehow ?
Pete
Ok, I vow to give myself 20 lashes with a wet noodle for not posting with correct
steamy content.
Gary,
There is no consideration!! Be in DH, bring the traction engine-- no
excuses --I'll oil it, clean it and buy you lunch!
Geoff.
Gary
If you are coming to Diamond head would you consider bringing that traction
engine? While it isn't a locomotive it is live steam and I for one
Seriously though, this is how this urban myth first arose.
From my reading I recall the bumble bee was thought too heavy for its wings given the
previously understood
pattern of wing motion. It was discovered using modern high speed photography that the
wings were moving in
somewhat of a
Tony Cotton wrote:
I hate to advise this but most people world-wide use the easier 10mm to the
foot measurement.
(I think it is easier to use .375 per foot. Quick what is one inch in 10 mm scale.
In 3/8 it is 1/32 of an inch.
What could be simpler for figuring out and converting all of
Gary, I believe your computer clock is using a current date of
12/31/1969 repeat 1969. This results in any email message you send going
to the oldest catigory on my computer as it is set to receive and
catalog by date.
Listers,
I know about this problem. My computer date is correct, when I
G3/1 tie
strip mold for code 250 rail.
What a shame.
Clark ,
The big problem here is if one were to make a gauge 1/3 tie strip, the gauge 1 would
be correct for 1:20 NG
models but gauge 3 is not correct for 1:20 Std. gauge models and you would be ignoring
all (all?) of the
modelers who
I didn't even know that some
folks wanted to do 1:20 Std. gauge.
So who has1:20 engines and rolling stock even already? :) Not me.
Clark
There are whispers in the hallway that someone is working on 1:20 Std gauge equipment.
And all I wanted was a good looking 1:32 caboose. :)
Me
It wasn't me or any of my friends here in Albuquerque who won that Powerball
lottery last week, but when I do I'll start making 1:32 scale stuff and you guys
can prove me right.
-vance-
Vance,
At one time I thought about making a wood caboose just due to the fact that Aster was
doing a
Doesn't the 3d pantograph need a master to copy?
True, and sorry I did not mention it for others as well. I tend to be short winded
So what would be done is build a
larger master (easier to build) and then reduce with the pantograph?
True again. I have seen Grandt pantograph down a couple
Royce,
Another option would be finding someone with a 3D pantograph. That is how Grandt line
products did and
does their fine detail work in their molds. A good example is the 1/24th scale DRGW
trucks and wheels
that
are supplied by Ryan Equipment. The tools to produce these as well as
Trot wrote:
Not being from the a mechanical background, what is a broach? Something
like a file for square holes?
Well yes,
Harley wrote me back a good description which I think he intended for you. Broaches
come in different
shapes the most common would be a rectangular cutter for a key
Folks,
There was actually a similar prototype problem on a logging line up north many years
ago. Seems every year
there was a caterpillar migration across the railroads tracks causing all hell to
break loose as well as the
adhesion of said lines locomotives. Sanding was useless. Talk about
Is there a supply of "G1MRA Project loco" wheels available somewhere?
Jun Kitsukawa
JAPAN
Both Locosteam and Walsall in the UK have them available.
GaryB
I have not seen any 1:32 marker lamps other than the ones on the few US prototype
Asters. Trackside Details
has some 1:24th scale in brass and of course Ozark has them in 1:24th in white metal.
GaryB
Regarding the possible use of plastic drivers: Electrically driven loco wheels do not
have as much of a load on
their side rods and crank pins as would a double acting steam driven locos. As such I
would question the ability
of the plastic drivers threads to hold up to the job. Of course a
Is there a supply of already machined loco wheels available
somewhere?
Walsall in the UK (ring 011-44-922-33781) will provide ready machined wheels of
various diameters and
they have a square broached center for easy quartering on their axles. I have used
them and they are very
well done.
Is there an alternate way of contacting them? Overseas
long distance is a killer. Not really too bad as I phone from here after 12:00 AM
Walsall Fax# 011-44-922-33718
Address: Walsall Model Industries
Unit 3,21-24 Hatherton St
Walsall, West Midlands, WS4 2LA
That should do.
Locosteam
Do you have a bin of Fireballs in your workshop? If not, you're
behind the trends in small scale live steam. Get up to date --
"Powered by Atomic Fireballs!"
Vance and others,
Ok, I am out of the closet. I do find myself making extra trips to the local Ace
hardware store as they are the
What does the Ruby have in the way of piston seals?
Haven't looked inside yet, but the usual is Viton o-rings.
-vance-
Just a note here regarding seals, o-ring or otherwise. Having just worked on an Aster
Baldwin, that
interestingly enough seems to have die cast zamac cylinders, I was
Is that the burner designed by Vic Shattuck?
If we're talking about the same thing, the burner was for alcohol, but it
ought to work with kerosene.
I recall that David Passard mentioned that he used kerosene in the stock burner in
his Aster Daylight.! He said
that it put out a nice
Is anybody using kerosene or fuel oil to power our small scale locomotives?
My Grandfather used white gas ( Coleman stove fuel ) in a model traction engine he
built about 75 years ago. I
still have the engine and fire it up now and then. The burner is very simple. Fuel is
cheap but it
What have you used for couplers on your Ruby's?
Accucraft has a working 1:20 NG coupler that looks good. Saw some at t he Train Shop
in San Josea few
weeks ago. Looked smaller than Bachmann's. I recall the price was good as well...
something like a pair for
$3.95.GaryB
It always seemed to me to be a good idea,
but since they never 'took off', I'd assumed there were problems with the
performance or production.
Peter Foley
Peter and others,
I have a 1:32 scale 0-6-0 that was produced by Steamlines (Tom Cooper) with an
Osmotor. This little loco is
really a
Mike,
You could always call Tom Cooper (Mr. Steamlines) @ 01938 554728.
GaryB
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Subject: RE: does anybody know how a Steamlines smoke generator works, please?
Date: February 22, 2000
Hello Group
I have been given what I think are the
Some messages on this thread mention a butane-propane fuel mix. Is it safe
to be using a fuel with propane in it for our models?
Casey Sterbenz
Casey,
I think nearly all of us have used the propane mix at one time or another. My local
supply is now 100%
butane and here in California
Mike,
Looks like quite a gas tank. In what order did you braze up the pieces, or did you
just rely on capillary action
to hopefully "wick up" the solder between the joints surfaces?
GaryB.
Boy Vance you don't want to give yourself too easy of projects do you!
Anyway, not vintage enough for me, I am now doing drawings for Montezuma in
1:20.3.
http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/mont1.jpg
Bob
Bob,
This loco was offered in gauge 1 by West Lawn Loco works some years ago. I do
As a newbie live steamer, neither of them translate to anything meaningful
to me since I can't see how 200lbs of steam pressure against a cylinder face
of x inches in diameter can move a multi-ton Loco and it's consist, but it
does somehow.
Remember that is 200 PSI. There is 200 pounds
OK! Thanks for the info. Uh, dumb question . . . does brass work a little longer than
copper? Or since copper is thicker, does it last longer? Should the super heater tube
be larger diameter than the exhaust steam line?
As to superheater lines. Most all locos I have use copper tube .125 O.D.
Group,
My latest issue of GardenRail mag from the UK shows a photo of a 75% complete
Consolidation that was
shown on the Pearse Engineering stand at the annual Live Steam Model Railway Show at
the Kew Museum in
London. Perhaps our UK fellows have more information?
GaryB
Does anyone know why Aster always uses two safety valves on their engines?
Don Plasterer
Don,
Aster does not always use two safety valves. The Pannier tank and the early 0-6-0 tank
and the Grasshopper
have only one. PErhaps there were others but these were close at hand.
GaryB
Jim Curry wrote:
To the list:
Besides Roundhouse, does anyone know who makes/sells various boiler
fittings/valves, etc.? I've seen some valves with tiny round turn handles
but can't recollect who makes'm.
Jim,
Mike Chaney had some really nice ones but he is not really in the "bits"
Else, what are you going to run with that
engine?
-vance-
Listers,
The 4-4-0 was a main-stay in the early SPC days. Double headed they would haul 10 cars
of 8 wheel
narrow gauge varnish from Oakland over the mountains to Santa Cruz. Mind you the
grades were only 4%!
They would also
Walt,
Again, McMaster-Carr to the rescue. Tin ingots, page 2958 1 lb bar $9.63...
GaryB
Yes, it was me. However in a 102 fever induced haze I only responded directly to Mr.
Lick rather than the
group.. My appoligies! GaryB
Richard,
Filler hatch does not come off on my Bantam. I must have the later version
when the cost reduction program
went into effect!
GaryB
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