Ok all,
I know I ramble at times but I want to ring in ONE last time on this then
I'll drop it. (smile) I started it as a message/suggestion for preserving
Steam train documentation, and as an aerospace software engineer by trade
and now MIS executive, please allow me to clarify for my own
Thanx Mike.
That REALLY rounds out the discussion on this whole power issue. I think I
now have enough info to actually think about a scratch build. Unfortunately,
no one can pass that talent on to me. I'll have to honk up one or two till I
start to get the hang of it.
By the way, are all you
This goes back to a conversation on Swamp Rats early in January on how to
make an "Onion Stack" from a doorknob. The Link below was provided by Carl
Malone.
Best answer I can think of is to show one...
http://web2.airmail.net/cmalone/temp/rat2.htm
I'd lower this one a little for the CS, but
Ditto to this.
Maybe you could even offer to have someone photograph them directly with a
digital camera. If they're THAT fragile, it sounds like they need to be
preserved permanently. Digital images don't wear out.
Lee
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How Cheap?
Lee
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Subject: Re: Driver Diameter.
Nowdays they call those bits of metal "prototypes" or
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Subject: RE: Discussions
At 1:01 PM -0800 2/16/00, Lee Hill wrote:
This is the sslivesteam colegroup. MAY I assume that a valid live steam
topic does not have to necessarily include model trains?
From the charter:
"SSLIVESTEAM (which stands for Small-Scale Live Steam) is about small-sca
It boggles my mind, but where there is a will, there is a way.
I mentioned the Faberge Trans-Siberian earlier. There are only about 3 or 4
links to various descriptions of it that I can find on the web. I think this
one is the best:
http://www.online.ru/sp/cominf/faberge/f_egg03.html
Watch out
-topic of this hobby into
which we shouldn't delve.
It is, as I believe Lee Hill said, difficult to understand the nuance with
which someone delivers a zinger when that delivery is via e-mail. I don't
want anyone to exclude the use or humor or sarcasm (this would lead to no
posts from yrs truely
Yeah, actually, I've learned so much from the posts on this that I'm ready
to stick my neck out. (Again! heh heh)
I have the Aster CS Mogul. For it's size, it's a HEAVY little bugger.
(Actually, with tender, and fully loaded with fuel and water, it tops out at
a little over 14 lbs.) The
The published figures in Aster's manual.
Lee
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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:51 AM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Nightmare Units
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 [EMAIL
I posted a translation table earlier, but for convenience, I'll do it again.
http://www.wctc.net/~wallin/convert/cvert.html
It goes right with what you say here.
Lee
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Sent: Monday, February 14,
Well that explains it. I live on the WINDWARD side of Oahu.
I take full responsibility for the mess here on this issue. (heh heh)
Now... If we're done with this bar room brawl over weight vs mass vs metric
vs imperial vs miller vs bud, can somebody PLEASE tell me why my little 13
POUND Loco
Geoff,
I hope your not holding me too responsible for getting too technical since I
started this, but there really was a point I wanted to address and learn
about.
Namely,
If I start out to design a model Loco, what formula (if there is one), can I
apply to calculate how much steam pressure I
Yeah I'm not sure there were EVER any apologies necessary here for any of
this.
The problem with the d*mn computer communication is that you can't see the
look on someone's face or hear the tone of their voice. (Always been one of
it's BIGGEST shortcomings in the "chat" area.)
So to iterate...
I hear you. Neither am I and I never will be. But it won't stop me from
playing with toy steam trains.
It's a "Catch 22". If you have a sparkie model steam loco, you can detail it
to the nines but it's still not a steam engine anyway you look at it. On the
other hand, with a model steam engine,
Excellent on all counts David. Congrats on the 45mm.com domain.
And I really relate to the part about it taking a month to find the two
hours.
Steam and smiles,
Lee
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Sent: Sunday, February
Thanx Art.
Here's a tip:
When you send a link thru the mail, leave spaces at EACH END of the URL
itself, and it comes across as a "clickable" working URL link.
For instance:
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm
is a clickable link "as is" here.
Whereas:
A
Isn't it normal for the pressure to drop a little when you first start up?
Lee
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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 9:02 AM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Boiler questions
I am working
Very interesting! The TAG shouldn't unless it's in an actual browser. but...
Maybe my MS Outlook 2000 is just being fussy. You can program for years but
never be ABSOLUTELY sure of what code will do on a system you haven't
actually tested on.
Look's like your mail system LIKES tags! Go figure.
Yeah me too. I'm quoting the manual here so...
I think 4 kg/cm2 would work out to 56.88 lbs per. That's 1 kg/cm2 = 14.22
lbs/in2. I also think Aster just rounds it up to 60 as a spec.
At this rate, the boiler, at 7 kg/cm2 would then be tested to 99.54 lbs
(rounded to 100)
I also believe this
It looks good to me Jonathan.
I'm going to have to try one of those.
Lee
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Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 11:02 AM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Rooney (Ruby/Forney
Yup.
Funny thing about the laws of physics, there's a size limit (either way) on
what you can do with everything. Otherwise we could have Ants the size of
Horses and vice versa. Thankfully not! (Now there's an inside vs. outside
frame setup for ya.)
If Aster's gear can be described as a
Yup!
I'd have to say I agree with everything you say here.
AND your point about it not being a workable design in a full size prototype
is not only well taken, but agreed to also.
But then,..
That's Greenly's point also when he makes the comment about model reductions
to scale.
That pesky
Thanx for the comment.
Do you have any illustrations of an outside Stephenson's? I guess my
speculation on that issue was off base. I would have thought it to be a
nightmare to try to implement.
Lee
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Subject: Valve Gear
Lee Hill I am really impressed with your treatise of the
Walschaert (I wish I knew how to pronounce that) valve gear used on the CS
Mogul. You sure don't sound like much of a novice to me. I too am just
starting into this hobby, (God and my wife forgive
Thanx Vance.
I'll try to see if my lately Hawaiian influenced diction can handle that.
(Smile).
BTW, my old sources don't have an "s" on the end of his name tho.
Lee
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Sent: Thursday, February 03,
7 "George Stephenson" with the outside gear.
I'll see if I can find something better for you,
Peter.
http://www.freefoto.com/pictures/transport_rail_steam/nymr/index.asp?i=6
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Subject
Oddly enough, when I went searching for the additional tools Aster doesn't
include that you need, I found my local hobby shops here in the Islands
don't have squat.
But Sears (yup) does!
Go figure.
Lee
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This goes to the issue.
I FINALLY have my Walschaert/Aster CS Mogul treatise on my web server which
uses Greenly and others as source material.
In test mode only!
You can't get to it from my web pages but you can see it at
http://www.hopwood-hill.com/mpcs/WVGH.htm
(Take the link EXACTLY
I guess I'd have to ditto that part about not messing with track width.
Think of the nightmare steamups would turn into.
Lee
http://www.hopwood-hill.com/mpcs
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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000
Well, yeah Walt, I know the feeling. And I think that's where us 'newbies'
come in. We're too naive at this point to know all this gauge and scale
stuff, and too new to really care.
Truth is...
Here's what I care about...
I LOVE the idea of a model Steam engine.
I Love the old trains.
If I can
Yeah Harley, I'm likewise appreciative of what Vance is doing. He's a source
of info that keeps the spirit alive.
I don't think the craftsmen have disappeared tho, they are just in
alternative pursuits.
Here in Hawaii where we have some of the best steam engineers in the
business. But... they
Yup.
The Auto industry has been using it since it was first cast. (They MAY even
be responsible for it's development, but I'm not sure about that.)
Many of your 2000 model cars STILL use it for certain things. I know my '98
Caravan has exterior door handles made of it.
It chrome plates well,
I'll have to 'ditto' that Geoff.
I'm still on my first Aster, but I'm almost think I'm going to be sorry when
I finish it since I'll either have to get another ($$$) or go without for a
while.
My newfound hobby only gets a partial of my spare time so I'm slow at it
but, hey, the longer I
This guy looks real good. Possible rival to the Aster CS in quality and
detail. Does anyone know if it will be offered in kit form or RTR only?
Lee Hill
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Nice job Vance.
When I'm ready to bash my first Loco, (after I finish my Aster kit), this
looks like a good way to go for a beginner.
Thanx,
Lee
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Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:06 AM
To:
Even the CS Mogul sells for $100 MORE as an electric (perish the thought)
model. It's their way of making you do penance for wanting such a thing!
Lee
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999
Yup, just got mine 1 month ago. Putting the wheels on at this point, but
then I'm slow.
Smiles,
Lee
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:48 AM
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Subject: Re:
Ditto.
Lee
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Subject: Re: And the House Burned to the Ground
The steam burns your hand. Does the manufacturer have
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