Dan Pantages wrote:
I am surprised at the prices you put up for Gary Raymond wheels Clark,
in Canada, locally, they seem to sell for about twice that.
Let me make it clear. I am not selling wheels. I am just reporting my
observations. The prices I posted are in US dollars. The Gary Raymond
Insulation is no big deal
I had a client who wanted t buy an Aster Reno I had, but wanted it
insulated for operation with two rail electrics without shorting.
I found a high temperature plastic rod from RS Components, pressed 2 L/H
driving wheels off, bored them out a bit, and turned press
Does this threaded holes ready for the value gear pins?
Could you make them insulated? (I'd love to be able to run with my
electics, both engines and track-powered accessorized cars.)
Do you hve a guess-timate on the cost?
Jim Curry wrote:
Vance, Jeff and others:
We might as well keep this
At 01:08 PM 1/17/02 -0600, you wrote:
As a side note: Roundhouse lists insulated wheel sets as being
available.
Chris,
Not difficult, or at least unusally so, but tedious and time consuming,
and depending upon the spoke configuration you might not be able to get
into the sharp corners with
Harry:
Could you find out wheel dimensions, details, spoke count, etc. so we can
determine if they'd be suitable for another design we might have in mind? ☺
Jim
At 03:18 PM 10/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
Could you find out wheel dimensions, details, spoke count, etc. so we can
determine if they'd be suitable for another design we might have in mind?
Jim
Jim,
I don't know what accomodations to scale have been made in the DEE
project design but
Thank you for the dimension information.
Jim
Regarding wheels for the Dee project, I'd like to see the book before
commiting to buying wheels for the loco. What's your time frame for ordering
wheels, as I don't anticipate receiving the book till late November at the
earliest.
royce
Harry Wade wrote:
At 02:28 PM 10/29/01 -0500, you
At 01:56 PM 10/29/01 -0800, you wrote:
Regarding wheels for the Dee project, I'd like to see the book before
commiting to buying wheels for the loco. What's your time frame for ordering
wheels, as I don't anticipate receiving the book till late November at the
earliest.
Royce,
The time
?
Casey Sterbenz
From: Royce Woodbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: wheels
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:45:03 -0800
SNIP
I took a
bunch of pics yesterday as I started over and posted them at :
http://groups.yahoo.com
Casey Sterbenz wrote:
May I assume that the patterns for the counterweights and the crank boss are
simply glued in place, with everything then faired in using some brand of
body putty? There also seems to be some further machine work that must be
done on the rim to produce the rough
Royce B., the one that lives up
the road from you :-)
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Royce said:
And I only have a unenclosed carport
WaltSwartz wrote :
The three phase electric is courtesy of one of those inexpensive converters. It has
worked fine for
close to 15 years.
Who is the manufacturer? I am in the market for a converter. I got the book from
Lindsay pub. about building your own, but the project is above me
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would propose that the keeper of the patterns make rubber or RTV
silicon molds of the patterns, cast them in wax and make permanent metal
patterns.
The "pattern" I offered to donate is already cast in silicon bronze.
Royce-
Actually it was me
In a message dated 01-03-19 09:46:01 EST, you write:
I hope this link gets through as majordomo rejected my
previous emails as containing "attachments" which aren't
permitted. Maybe this will work.
Royce -
Since that list went to Yahoo I have not been able to access it. I have
batted
Scott,
I think you are thinking of Royce W. I am Royce B., the one that lives up
the road from you :-)
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Royce said
Hi Trent,
Agree on your comments, and drifting off topic.
My machine shop experience was 7 years apprenticeship, plus 12 years
in machine shops in the UK, when CNC machines were very rare, and not yet
in vogue. Le Blond, Warner Swasy, Herbert, Cincinnatti were the machines
of
Walt,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everytime I had something set up in the milling machine or one of the lathes,
a paying job would come in and I'd have to take down my hobby setup and do work
for money.
I don't use my metalworking equipment to make money. In fact, I have to try to
find
In a message dated 3/16/01 8:17:14 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can put my shop in the guest room, I'm outta luck for now.
I converted a garage family room to a shop, handy access, heated, crowded.
bill
So, where are you?
Scott McDonald wrote:Hey Royce! You live close by, if you want to put your lathe in
my basement,
I've got room! ;-)
royce w
Royce,
Wish I had 3 Philadelphia kits. I believe it was Kevin Strong who mentioned
the kits.
Hey, 3 kits? One for Kevin, one for Royce, one for Trent. Problem solved!
(Sorry Tom, I think one of the kits may have been yours before Royce and I
decided to take two of them off Kevin's hands.)
Trent Dowler wrote:
Royce,
I believe it was Kevin Strong who mentioned
the kits.
One thing I've noticed about egroups is that it is harder to keep track of people
without their faces. It would help ME if we personalized our correspondents with
pictures.
royce w
Harry Wade wrote:
snip
I would propose that the keeper of the patterns make rubber or RTV
silicon molds of the patterns, cast them in wax and make permanent metal
patterns.
The "pattern" I offered to donate is already cast in silicon bronze.
royce w
At 07:37 AM 3/15/01 -0800, you wrote:
Harry Wade wrote:
I would propose that the keeper of the patterns make rubber or RTV
silicon molds of the patterns, cast them in wax and make permanent metal
patterns.
royce w
Nope, I did not make that statement. A costly, labor intensive
process like
At 07:37 AM 3/15/01 -0800, you wrote:
The "pattern" I offered to donate is already cast in silicon bronze.
royce w
Royce,
I'll assume for the moment that this pattern was made from an original
master. Did the development of the master take into consideration double
shrinkage? Just curious.
Clark Lord wrote:
Harry Wade wrote:
I could not begin to guess the number of people that are into scratch
building
Are you (list member) scratch building now?
Yes. 1:20.3 Southern Pacific Narrow Gauge #18
Are you contemplating starting?
Every day I think about working on it.
Doing the hobby at work did not pan out for me. Everytime I had something set
up in the milling machine or one of the lathes, a paying job would come in
and I'd have to take down my hobby setup and do work for money. As a result I
now have an Enco 9x42 variable speed mill with DRO. The three
From what I've been able to find out, the Star was a later version, but I'm
not certain. Obviously this one was belt driven from a jack shaft. When I got
it looked like it had been in the navy. It is mounted on a bench made of
heavy angle and has drawers with gravity drop notches to prevent
Keith,
That PW Size O sounds like a real gem. A good friend of mine had a little
Logan that he had set up to do everything a lathe could ever be asked to do.
I would have dearly loved to have owned it when he passed away, but
fortunately his son wanted it and I'm very glad he has it. His Dad
Hi Trent,
This wheel stamping/molding project is beginning to sound to much
like "real work" and heavy duty tooling cost $. Especially if low volumes,
but if you are talking driving wheels at $3.50 each with spokes, rims,
balance weights etc. that is a very good price. However I still
Alternatively, I also know of one Marine Steam engine builder
again in UK ,who stopped using $45,000 worth of his lost wax casting
moulds, and bought two 5 axis CNC machines.
Do you have any idea how much those 5 axis CNC mills cost?? Mega bucks!!
You could probably buy several
Keith wrote:
... I'm working on some drawings for "Jack", an 18" gauge
well tank that is preserved at the Leeds Industrial Museum and which
will make an impressive model on 45mm track. It scales to about 1:10.
I started a pair of Jack's sister "Gwen" (preserved in CA) several years
Hello Everyone,
My boss has decided to retract his offer to produce the PM wheels. Perhaps not
for the reasons that one might entirely think.
The financial part of it didn't bother him, but he sees from the discussions that
there would truly need to be many styles and/or types of wheels
Harry Wade wrote:
I could not begin to guess the number of people that are into scratch
building
Neither could I but we do know the number is growing and will
continue to grow for the foreseeable future
Well let's try the direct approach.
Are you (list member) scratch building
Well let's try the direct approach.
Are you (list member) scratch building now? Yes, a Lady Anne based 0-6-0. Also working
on patterns to build a LBSC Chingford from plans.
Are you contemplating starting? Have started.
Do you own (or have access to) a lathe, mill or both? Yes a lathe
If so
In a message dated 01-03-09 17:50:53 EST, you write:
Am I the only one who got a bunch of Monday's email messages delivered
again
today?
No your not alone. I got several days worth. I thought it was my
computer.
Salty
In a message dated 01-03-10 08:10:31 EST, you write:
Anyway, on a serious note, I have just had some info through from a
foundry here in the UK.
They have a 3D wax printer and can therefore make wax models for investment
casting direct from the CAD files (STL preferred).
Castings can be
These table top prototypers have been available in the US for a number of
years. I remember reading about them in the machine trade press in the late
80's and early 90's. They never seemed to get much repeat press or many
advertisements by sellers. Must not have been very "salable."
Keep your
Hello Everyone,
I ran the idea of a run of CNC turned wheels past my boss. I showed
him a set of Accucraft wheels that I had and explained that the ones to
be machined would be roughly the same size and profile. After careful
thought he said that they would not be very affordable and he was
: Trent Dowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:02:41 -0600
Hello Everyone,
I
suspect that there would need to be a single entity purchase the wheels
and then market them. Marketing
: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Re: wheels
Susan Parker wrote:
The G1MRA
(UK) has specs too, but not up on a web site as far as I know.
http://website.lineone.net/~sam.c.evans/Track_standards_45.html
Please see at the bottom of this URL
In a message dated 3/9/2001 2:50:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am I the only one who got a bunch of Monday's email messages delivered again
today?
I got them too. I think things are out of whack right now.
Bob
Charles W. Walters wrote:
Am I the only one who got a bunch of Monday's email messages delivered again
today?
No, I got them too. A serious case of deja vu?
Cheers
Keith
--
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Keith Manison
no...
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From: "Charles W. Walters" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: wheels
Am I the only one who got a bunch of Monday's email messages delivered
a
There seems to be a lot of double email
There seems to be a lot of double email
Or is it a glitch in the Matrix ?
"Am I the only one who got a bunch of Monday's email messages delivered again
today?"
Hi Jim, All,
Website up soon, promise. Working on it at the moment.
Best wishes,
Susan.
Susan Parker wrote:
The G1MRA
(UK) has specs too, but not up on a web site as far as I know.
http://website.lineone.net/~sam.c.evans/Track_standards_45.html
Please see at the bottom of this URL. The rest you may also find
interesting.
My wants would be for GIMRA as a universal standard
Hello Walt and Everyone,
You would have thought that I would have already produced thousands of wheels
from solid bar stock, right? As it turns out I've only made a few steel wheels
for 1.5" scale rolling stock and simple solid wheels for locomotives. These were
done for replacements on badly
Hello Harry and Everyone,
Your EDM idea seems very plausible, but not cost effective (unless you were
talking about EDM'ing the patterns only). If you're talking about using EDM on
each wheel, that goes back to the posts about Mr. Wood's wheels. They're beautiful
little works of art, but who
There is an American source for these items. Peter Thorpe, Trackside
Details, came to DH 2-3 years ago. He had bronze wheel castings for "narrow
gauge" scratchbuilders. I believe he was marketing them as 36"-33" wheels,
1:20 scale. Here's a guy who's in the business, may already have something
WARNING This is kinda long.
To all interested,
From what I've seen there are two different ways to make wheels.
The first is Machining, and the second is casting. I have only recently started to
learn machining, and so have little experience. I have been 'playing' with castings
for about 6
Harry, you mention a lot of hand work. If I understand it correctly, the EDM
method creates spokes without a draft angle and with square corners on the
spokes. This is not necessarily a bad thing in all cases -- I just had a bunch
of wheel blanks water-jet cut, which resulted in a slight
In a message dated 2/27/2001 9:05:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
attaching the sprue in the center of the hub, which my caster was unwilling
to
do for some reason.
Same problem as Salty! Find a caster that is willing to attach several
sprues to the back. I had a
There was an article in Live Steam a few years ago on wheel making. In a
wheel disk, drill a sizable hole where the crankpin goes, then machine the
disks to the right profile. Silver solder a rod into the hole where the
crankpin goes to give the oval shaped driver center. Drill holes in the
VR Bass wrote:
And on the topic of casting: when you work with a caster, be sure to talk
about the necessity for concentricity, and what it will take to insure that the
waxes remain absolutely circular. Based on my last encounter, this will mean
attaching the sprue in the center of the hub,
Tony et al.
Actually, I wouldn't knurl the wheels on my KGV--just wish it had steel
tyres! The little Finescale GWR 48xx 0-4-2T "grips" so well with the steel
drivers. Those SS tyres are OK for toughability and rust prevention but not
very practical for adhesion. I still like Walt's idea of
So are the Mark Wood wheels sand cast or investmemt cast? It seems to me
that there surely is some foundry here in the good old USA that would be
willing to cast wheels for us.
I am currently enrolled in a local community college course on jewelry
making and metal smithing. This
Dew? What's that? Does it come in white flakes? We've got lots of those!
Funny, I've never seen the oil float on top of it before. Must be a
"Florida" thing.
(sigh... How many more days until June?)
Later,
K
What quantity of a given size/design of wheel is it economically necessary
to produce using the various techniques being bantered about in these wheel
discussions? Normally a manufacturer needs to make a minimum quantity to
get the unit cost down to a "reasonable" amount that results in a price
If you make the patterns, you can get them cast in bronze for less than $5
each, plus the cost of making a rubber mold to shoot the waxes. This is
around $40-50, and is of course amortized over the amount of castings you
have done. Don't know how iron would affect this price -- probably not
Interestingly, wonder how knurled tread would work in our scales? I've got
a hunch it would grind up any rail with the possible exception of steel in
pretty short order -- just like a rotary file. Logging roads that ran on
wooden rails sometimes did use toothed drivers, however. So for the
1 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Cleaning track (was Re: Wheels)
Does the Bon Ami canister still have a baby chicken standing in a broken
egg
shell? They also had the "Hasn't scratched yet" line printed on it. I
thought
that product had died years ago.
Walt
.
John
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Subject: Re: Wheels
The traction tires I'm talking about would be like putting a rubber band
on
the wear surface of the wh
In a message dated 2/25/01 3:01:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a friend who once had outdoor steel bar "track"--it would rust
between runs, became somewhat pitted--great traction!
My outdoor aluminum rails seem very rough to the touch from the oxidization.
The traction tires I'm talking about would be like putting a rubber band on
the wear surface of the wheel.
Keep your steam up!
Walt
I think oily rubber would be worse that stainless steel!
GaryB
Charles,
I own a small HO Triang diesel- 0-4-0-1957 variety--it has knurled hardened
steel wheels! Needed a carbide tool to cut the flanges down to size. Yep,
with our locos-especially powerful high speed passenger locs, the track
might get ground up.
Back to the rubber band box!!--like Walt
Clark wrote:
I keep wanting to add weight to
increase traction but haven't done so as of yet. Maybe someday.
Clark
I've been planning to do that too! Perhaps I'll flop an ankle weight over
one of my locos and see how it performs. It would be great on the Aster
Nord-which I no longer own!
The "rule of thumb" formula for calculating tractive effort in full-size steam
locomotives was 1/4 the weight on the drivers. I don't know how this scales,
but John Thomson added two or three pounds of lead weight to his Ruby and
reports that it pulls like a mule now. So, I suspect that our
Some people swear by it and some swear at it, but Lionel introduced
"magnetraction" about 40 or more years ago! It worked pretty good, but it was
also good for finding small steel screws, etc that may have dropped out along
the track.
As far as cleaning oil off the track, if you happen to
John used the same type stick on sheet weights that are available for
weighting wheels without using hammer-on weights. He lined the cab of the
loco with them and it does very well. On a similar subject, my ruby
pulled/pushed four 4-axle and three 2-axle cars last time I was over at
his place.
Hi Geoff,
Traction tyres or no.
Call them what you will. But the wheels are two piece, with
inner spoked wheels and a seperate wheel flanged rim approx.
.125" wall width.
(As all full size. prototypes). However the Aster,
s rims are probably stainless
" Who will be the first one to go prototypical and install sanders on their
Gauge-1 Loco. Super traction!"
What is needed is scale sand, ie 20 times smaller or thereabouts. The
closest thing I ever saw to this was on a G1 garden line in the Isle of Man.
The owner had big chunk of chalk stone,
problem.
Don
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Subject: Re: Wheels/Traction and melting ties
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:04:14 -0500
On the real and practical side; At PLS Paul or Harry Quirk will g
I've found that running a rag soaked with alcohol over the rails does a
good job of cleaning the oil and gunk off the tops of the rails,
restoring traction - much better than the chalk most folks employ. Since
most steam-ups have a relatively ample supply of alcohol (FOR THE
TRAINS!) It
I have a friend who once had outdoor steel bar "track"--it would rust
between runs, became somewhat pitted--great traction! I'm not sure what it
did to the drivers--but not much by observation.
Geoff.
I've found that running a rag soaked with alcohol over the rails does a
good job of cleaning
Kevin Strong wrote:
Aside from this and operating sanders, what else can you do to maintain traction?
I have had good results by lightly dusting the slippery section of track
with Bon Ami, the cleaning powder.
It is the recommend cleaner for my plastic/fiberglass kitchen sink. The
warranty
Hi Walt,
I have news for you. My Aster KGV does have "Traction
Tyres" on the drivers.
I think Astersintention is for
easier manufacture rather than traction
wear replacements. But maybe not.
How do I know?. The two rear drivers "tyres" came
Clark,
Bon Ami, tho very mild is still an abrasive, We used to use it to "fine
tune" rotary valves and other items on air tools-(which we disassembled and
cleaned afterwards). We also had a master mechanic/ millwright/machinist
who used it on his auto engine (cyls) if it used oil when new, as
Tony,
Traction tyres on the King??? They are the regular ss tyres on my King.
Not, what I believe Walt means by "traction" tyres, i.e. something to
grip the rail
Are you sure it was not the insulation (for running on electrified track)
that gave up on your "flash back'? Why would the tyres
Geoff Spenceley wrote:
Clark,
Bon Ami, tho very mild is still an abrasive
Right you are Geoff. I must admit I use it very sparingly and only when
I'm not successful with other methods.
Here at the house my brass track oxidizes a bit everyday. So I get
wonderful traction most of the time.
Does the Bon Ami canister still have a baby chicken standing in a broken egg
shell? They also had the "Hasn't scratched yet" line printed on it. I thought
that product had died years ago.
Walt
Does the Bon Ami canister still have a baby chicken standing in a broken egg
shell? They also had the "Hasn't scratched yet" line printed on it. I thought
that product had died years ago.
Walt
The traction tires I'm talking about would be like putting a rubber band on
the wear surface of the wheel.
Keep your steam up!
Walt
Hmmm;
I was wondering about the wear factor. I kind of thought that for the
smaller Gauges( Gauge1) that the alloys might be fine but that they would
wear on the larger gauges rather quickly. Guess I was wrong again. I reckon
we'll have to run some hardness tests on these materials and see where
WELLL,
I got the guys card and thought it was in my wallet. Just checked and it was
not there. Maybe I used it to but a six pack or something. I believe Mountain
Car Co. has steel wheels also. Most of the 7.5" guys complain about the
flange wearing away or breaking when the car goes on
All Right;
Who will be the first one to go prototypical and install sanders on
their Gauge-1 Loco. Super traction! But, talk about wheel and track wear.
It's beyond my meager talents. Just a suggestion.
Phil.P. Reading,PA.
(SNIPSNIP)
As far as adhesion/traction is concerned, I'm
Who will be the first one to go prototypical and install sanders on
their Gauge-1 Loco. Super traction!
Hey, I heard that wish expressed several times at Diamondhead! After a day
or two, the rails get coated with steam oil and water, and you could really use
something to give you some
Hi Vance and listers.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:58:24 -0700, you wrote:
Who will be the first one to go prototypical and install sanders on
their Gauge-1 Loco. Super traction!
Hey, I heard that wish expressed several times at Diamondhead! After a day
or two, the rails get coated with steam
On the real and practical side; At PLS Paul or Harry Quirk will grab a foam
mop head and some alcohol to rub the tracks down a couple of times a day
while the guys are running. Seems to work well. Harry also carries a piece
of aluminum that fits between the rails to use for those relights of
If someone can come up with the mechanical device to deliver the sand I
can give you the RCS function to operate it.
I have no doubt you could, Tony, but would we want it? Seems like it would
wear out your valve motion faster than you can say "why isn't this @#$%
engine running like it used
OK. So what sources for the CNC wheels? Charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Saw some really fantastic wheels for 7.5" rolling stock this week at Larry
Smith's steamup. All steel, CNC to a great profile, and about the same
price
as cast wheel blanks that need
Commercial castings for machine-it-yourself designs in the smaller gauges
might be adaptable. A friend had a coalfired indian 262 on 32mm running on
2" drivers machined up from castings for a gauge 1 S.G. design. A wheel is a
wheel, after all. If it was me I'd start by asking Locosteam or Walsall
Sulphur Springs Steam Models has carried the Locosteam wheel castings in the
past. Perhaps they still do.
--
Michael Martin
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Doesn't the 3d pantograph need a master to copy?
True, and sorry I did not mention it for others as well. I tend to be short winded
So what would be done is build a
larger master (easier to build) and then reduce with the pantograph?
True again. I have seen Grandt pantograph down a couple
Call Bachmann in Philadelphia, they may just sell them to you.
Lloyd:
Another source for small spoked wheels is Harper Model Railways. Most of
his a plastic spokes/metal tire.
Jim
ones I want are Bachmann steel wheels that they used on the front truck of my
Colorado and Southern 10 wheeler (sparkey). It appears that they use them on
the front trucks of most of thier steam locomotives. Any Ideas???
Sure, just call Bachmann and buy some. They'll sell any part of any
In a message dated 3/10/2000 11:11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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It appears that they use them on
the front trucks of most of thier steam locomotives. Any Ideas???
Lloyd,
Go to Bachmann page and order them:
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