Re: [Standards] MUC2 - The case for removing semi-anonymous

2015-06-26 Thread Steve Kille
I would like us to Get This Right, though. People have been mumbling about replacing MUC for years, and I’ve always been resistant; the discussions at the summit this year persuaded me that we finally have requirements that MUC1 can’t easily meet, but I really do not want us to do MUC2

Re: [Standards] MUC2 - The case for removing semi-anonymous

2015-06-26 Thread Dave Cridland
On 26 Jun 2015 07:24, Steve Kille steve.ki...@isode.com wrote: I would like us to Get This Right, though. People have been mumbling about replacing MUC for years, and I’ve always been resistant; the discussions at the summit this year persuaded me that we finally have requirements that MUC1

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Kevin Smith
On 25 Jun 2015, at 11:11, Daniel Gultsch dan...@gultsch.de wrote: As I understand this MUC2 should not rely replace the current MUC but provide an alternative. Not really, the aim is to fix the issues MUC has, and produce something better that can be used in its place in the future. Someone

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Hi, 2015-06-25 10:27 GMT+02:00 Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com: Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. We’ve pretty much killed off fully anonymous rooms in MUC1. Can people share their thoughts on usecases for semi-anon, please? It’s not entirely clear to me

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Sam Whited
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: Can people share their thoughts on usecases for semi-anon, please? It’s not entirely clear to me what these are (users who want anonymity seem to already be using throw-away JIDs to achieve that, instead of relying on

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Thijs Alkemade
On 25 jun. 2015, at 10:27, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. We’ve pretty much killed off fully anonymous rooms in MUC1. Can people share their thoughts on usecases for semi-anon, please? It’s not entirely

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Sam Whited
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2015, at 15:28, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net wrote: Semi-anonymous rooms are like IRC channels. Draw your own conclusions for whether that's good or bad. I don’t think that’s true, is it? Having

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 25.06.2015 17:09, Thijs Alkemade wrote: On 25 jun. 2015, at 10:27, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. We’ve pretty much killed off fully anonymous rooms in MUC1. Can people share their thoughts on usecases for

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Kevin Smith
On 25 Jun 2015, at 15:28, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net wrote: On 6/25/15 2:27 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. s/had/has/ I think ‘had’ was right. Anonymous rooms were removed in 0.6 by a certain “PSA” :) Now it has

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Kevin Smith
On 25 Jun 2015, at 15:48, Sam Whited s...@samwhited.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2015, at 15:28, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net wrote: Semi-anonymous rooms are like IRC channels. Draw your own conclusions for

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Dave Cridland
On 25 June 2015 at 15:28, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net wrote: On 6/25/15 2:27 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. s/had/has/ We’ve pretty much killed off fully anonymous rooms in MUC1. I think those were never

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre - yet
On 6/25/15 8:39 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: On 25 Jun 2015, at 15:28, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net wrote: On 6/25/15 2:27 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. s/had/has/ I think ‘had’ was right. Anonymous rooms were removed in

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Kevin Smith
On 25 Jun 2015, at 16:59, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: Removing a widely deployed feature doesn't strike me as a viable option. Well, if we s/widely deployed/widely required/ then I agree. But not baking something into the MUC2 core doesn’t necessarily mean removing the feature. If

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Dave Cridland
On 25 Jun 2015 18:05, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2015, at 16:59, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: Removing a widely deployed feature doesn't strike me as a viable option. Well, if we s/widely deployed/widely required/ then I agree. But not baking something into

Re: [Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Dave Cridland
On 25 June 2015 at 09:27, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. We’ve pretty much killed off fully anonymous rooms in MUC1. Can people share their thoughts on usecases for semi-anon, please? It’s not entirely clear to me

[Standards] MUC2

2015-06-25 Thread Kevin Smith
Thinking a bit about the MUC2 stuff. MUC1 had Anon/semianon/nonanon. We’ve pretty much killed off fully anonymous rooms in MUC1. Can people share their thoughts on usecases for semi-anon, please? It’s not entirely clear to me what these are (users who want anonymity seem to already be using