Re: Are form tags tied to beans?!!!

2001-07-31 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Actually, its not a struts-user question because the current design of form tags does not allow for dynamic attribute values, and this is the heart of the issue First consider that I get a collection of bean/value-objects from deep within the framework. Then consider that I want to loop through

Re: Are form tags tied to beans?!!!

2001-07-30 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Yes I know, but I want some of the attributes to be dynamic - Original Message - From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Are form tags tied to beans?!!! You can mix and match the html:form tags with

Re: revised Diagrams

2001-07-23 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Is this clearer? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Jonathan Asbell Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Re: revised Diagrams Jonathan,Just a couple of suggestions:- in struts_function.gif, I think the flow

Re: *TED* - round 2 of documentation

2001-07-10 Thread Jonathan Asbell
document submitted is not in a final form, and so it's not possible to make a decision.) If you wanted to send me a Word document in a final form, I could convert it a PDF and make it publically available (if you agree that making this a PDF is a good idea). Jonathan Asbell wrote: Ok so whats next

Re: ActionMapping Workflows

2001-07-10 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Why not try enforcing some kind of composition. For instance, a workflow might have 5 steps. Separate the components themselves from the order in which they must be carried out. That is, if you must do 5 steps, then one WorkflowObject will be composed of 5 StepObject s. Upon completion of

documentation - GOING ON VACATION

2001-07-10 Thread Jonathan Asbell
I will follow up with all of you about the documentation when I return in a few weeks.

Re: *TED* - round 2 of documentation

2001-07-08 Thread Jonathan Asbell
One thing to think about is that it may be good to have links so a reader can jump around. I'm not sure if this can be done with PDF. Also, are you suggesting to make it downloadable AND part of the user guide? Thats fine if it can actually stand on its own without references to other parts of

Re: *TED* - round 2 of documentation

2001-07-08 Thread Jonathan Asbell
needed to actually build Struts for anything (if ever). Jonathan Asbell wrote: One thing to think about is that it may be good to have links so a reader can jump around. I'm not sure if this can be done with PDF. Also, are you suggesting to make it downloadable AND part of the user guide

Re: *TED* - round 2 of documentation

2001-07-07 Thread Jonathan Asbell
as to where we should place it in the context of the rest of the documentation. Should it be part of the User Guide or something else? If something else, what do we call it? Unless of course you're proposing that we drop the rest of the User Guide and just offer this ;-0 Jonathan

Re: *TED* - round 2 of documentation

2001-07-06 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Hello Ted. I gave this documentation to the other developers in my group who do not know about Struts, and they said that they now understand what Struts is and how to approach using it. They got lost in the Struts Components section because they didnt have a picture to accompany the

Re: Logic tags and string properties

2001-06-25 Thread Jonathan Asbell
why dont you just change it to isEmpty or emptyString which everyone knows already? =) - Original Message - From: Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Logic tags and string properties Picking up on an old thread here

Re: Struts 1.1 TODO List -- Event and Listener Model

2001-06-22 Thread Jonathan Asbell
That is what I was saying yesterday Levi, when I mentioned: One thing I may suggest is that maybe you dont need to be explicit with the type of listeners, and just register listeners Since we dont know and really will never know what kind of listeners we will need because it may be specific to

Re: javax.servlet.UnavailableException: Input/output error reading configuration from resource path /WEB-INF/struts-config.xml

2001-06-22 Thread Jonathan Asbell
: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jonathan Asbell Subject: Re: javax.servlet.UnavailableException: Input/output error reading configuration from resource path /WEB-INF/struts-config.xml This is a common problem when configuring struts on weblogic. Reason is that the parser

Re: Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES

2001-06-21 Thread Jonathan Asbell
to another, but in my experience, after many iterations the tree becomes more of a hinderance than a boon as jump points become more frequent. It might be better to design it to be a graph structure from the beginning. -Paul Speed Jonathan Asbell wrote: Since my needs are for web container

Re: Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES

2001-06-21 Thread Jonathan Asbell
? /OT -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Custom Software ~ Technical Services. -- Tel 716 737-3463. -- http://www.husted.com/about/struts/ Jonathan Asbell wrote: Hello all. We were talking about workflow a few weeks ago and the conversation dissipated. I am trying

Re: I would like to offer myself to help with documentation

2001-06-21 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Sure Ted. Thanx. My perspective always comes from assuming that the reader doesnt know much. People get confused and sidetracked with jargon, and struts can be used by less experienced people if explained correctly. I mean, dont we want the user base to grow so it can be developed better and

Re: Proposed enhancement to bean:message

2001-06-21 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Can we please do this? Martin, can you send me what you have anyway because I want to use it if they wont include it =) - Original Message - From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Proposed enhancement to bean:message

Re: javax.servlet.include.path_info ????

2001-06-21 Thread Jonathan Asbell
javax.servlet.include.servlet_path javax.servlet.include.path_info javax.servlet.include.query_string -- Stoehr -Original Message- From: Jonathan Asbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: javax.servlet.include.path_info

Re: Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES

2001-06-21 Thread Jonathan Asbell
. -- Tel 716 737-3463. -- http://www.husted.com/about/struts/ Jonathan Asbell wrote: Hello all. We were talking about workflow a few weeks ago and the conversation dissipated. I am trying to open it up again because I have found a need for more scopes, and a need to implement these new

javax.servlet.UnavailableException: Input/output error reading configuration from resource path /WEB-INF/struts-config.xml

2001-06-21 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Any one know why I am getting this Exception in Weblogic 6? I have gotten this Exception before, erased the tmp war files, and all was ok. Now erasing the tmp war doesnt help. It happens inside the Digester in the below method, on the line "getParser().parse(input, this);"

Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES

2001-06-20 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Hello all. We were talking about workflow a few weeks ago and the conversation dissipated. I am trying to open it up again because I have found a need for more scopes, and a need to implement these new scopes in the next few months. I am interestedspecifically in how it can be implemented

Re: Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES

2001-06-20 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES Jonathan Asbell wrote: Persistent storage is an option too. I was hoping, however to limit calls through the enterprise parts and database. Why

Re: Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES

2001-06-20 Thread Jonathan Asbell
: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Opening up a thread on ALTERNATE SCOPES Jonathan Asbell wrote: Persistent storage is an option too. I was hoping, however to limit calls through the enterprise parts and database. Why? You could argue that it belongs there because the database

Re: Client/Server Side Validation for Struts 1.1

2001-06-19 Thread Jonathan Asbell
the application back to the presentation. If not, you have to do validations for a zillion different permutations of possibilities What do you think? - Original Message - From: David Winterfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jonathan Asbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18

Re: Client/Server Side Validation for Struts 1.1

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Hi Dave. I really think (and tell me what you think) that all special formatting shoudl eventually be converted into the format of the system it is running on, THEN validated. Otherwise you have to design a gazillion permutations to validate. We could instead make various converters for each

Re: I would like to offer myself to help with documentation

2001-06-17 Thread Jonathan Asbell
does someone have an example they can shoot to me of the xml and xsl used in documentation. - Original Message - From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:05 AM Subject: Re: I would like to offer myself to help with documentation Jonathan

Documentation wish list repository

2001-06-17 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Hi Craig. Could we put together a repository of the documentation wish list items. It would be unreasonable for me to be searching through e-mails to do this - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:12 PM

rough draft of initial documentation

2001-06-17 Thread Jonathan Asbell
pleas comment on this initial rough draft. There is no color yet. Title: Struts is simply a package of java classes (components) which you integrate with a java enabled server, and which acts as a “f Literal explanation of Struts Struts is simply a package of java classes (components)

Re: New BeanFactory build

2001-06-13 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Hello Oleg. I have been following your progress on your bean-factory, and have downloaded the classes. However, I still have not fully grasped what it is substituting in struts, and what the sequence of events is when they are called and used. Could you provide a brief summary and sequence of

Re: Re[2]: New BeanFactory build

2001-06-13 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Thanks Oleg. Can you give me a detsiled step-by-step from the point a form is submitted until the Action perform(). - Original Message - From: Oleg V Alexeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jonathan Asbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re[2

Re: Workflow Context

2001-06-13 Thread Jonathan Asbell
My group is thinking of 4 new scopes. 1) Workflow scope - last as long as the set of steps in a task you are completeing 2) our own HttpSession object 3) publication scope 4) publication group scope We are a publishing company with many reports and magazines - Original Message - From:

Re: Handling session timeouts

2001-06-11 Thread Jonathan Asbell
No Craig. If his session times out, it will loose the token in the session. Thus the page will not submit because the token in the session will not match the one in the hidden field. - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jonathan Asbell

Re: Handling session timeouts

2001-06-10 Thread Jonathan Asbell
why not use the token mechanism. Doesnt it handle this already? - Original Message - From: Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Handling session timeouts Why not just add a property to your form bean to detect this?

Re: [PROPOSAL] Struts Extensions

2001-06-10 Thread Jonathan Asbell
What about just creating servlets in war files which you just drop in and deploy. That is the most plug-and-play I can think of - Original Message - From: Alan C. Yackel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Struts Extensions

Re: Work flow RFC

2001-06-06 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Is there anyone on the list that actually HAS experience developing with workflow engines? - Original Message - From: Rey Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: RE: Work flow RFC Another possibility is to develop extensions for

Re: Client/Server Side Validation for Struts 1.1

2001-06-05 Thread Jonathan Asbell
the binary value first, and then pass it along for formatting. Jonathan Asbell wrote: Tonarino kyacua, yoku-ki-ka-ku Kyuacuda What about allowing two or three different displays of currency, but only one type of currency for data entry. That way I could be in England entering pounds

question about Action Forwards in struts-config

2001-06-05 Thread Jonathan Asbell
I have boiled down action forward to a few exact situations. I would only want to do any of the following situations: 1) take me back where I was 2) take me back to where I was trying to go 3) take me to a specific page 4) take me to a default page I dont believe there is currently a neat

Credit card validation FYI

2001-06-02 Thread Jonathan Asbell
You all probably know about this but I thought I would send it anyway. http://www.beachnet.com/~hstiles/cardtype.html MOD-10 is an algorithm that is used by almost any credit card company togenerate / validate credit cards.How it works?First you have to know what kind of credit card you

Re: Proposed feature: Bean property transformations

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Asbell
I think the Barracuda project has done things in this area http://barracuda.enhydra.org/ I am currently beginning to implement struts and have also been reading about the alternatives. Each is developing in its own direction. I like the Barracuda design. It is more OO and does not rely on jsp.

Struts status items list /\/\/\

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Can any one of you put together a list? We need to know: 1) what can currently be thrown out (assuming I have the most recent evenings build) 2) what are, and where canweobtain all of the recently contributed pieces which are under consideration, being worked on or tested (the Token

Re: Bean philosophy

2001-05-30 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Great explanation Ted. I am interested in your implementation of the ValueObjects. It appears as though you dont use the ActionForm as a value object, but rather pass the ActionForm beans values on to the value object after validating symantics in the Action. Is this true? I ask because I

Request from contributer user.....

2001-05-25 Thread Jonathan Asbell
Hello all. I am still only a few months playing with struts but I would like to ask if you wouldn't mind puttingmore detailed debugging in the framework. I personally am studying the framework by reading about it, but most importantly by watching how it performs step by step. I do this by