[sugar] Sugar mtg March 25 2008 (Text to Speech)

2008-03-25 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, we dedicated a hole meeting to text to speech this week since this topic has been raising up so often. Note the exceptional time this week :) When: Tuesday March 25 2008 time: 15.00 (UTC) Where: irc.freenode.net, #olpc-meeting Topics: o Interfacing with Sugar + Unitarian interface #

Re: [sugar] State of Update.1, March 24, 2008

2008-03-25 Thread Morgan Collett
Michael Stone wrote: Probably beyond reach - #6299 TSTwad (salut backoff when gabble running), needs to be tested on a big mesh; Based on wad's logs, Guillaume and I agree that this one is fixed. Since it's already in Update.1

Re: [sugar] code reviews

2008-03-25 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi Tomeu, I found and have fixes two issues regarding the redesign: a) the devices in the tray does draw the palette but not the black border around the icon like they do in the Friendstray for example b) when you add more than max items to the clipboard tray not the first but the currently

Re: [sugar] GVFS, OLPC, and GIT ?

2008-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexander Larsson wrote: | On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 15:34 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: | Dear Mr. Larsson, | My name is Ben Schwartz, and I am a volunteer with OLPC. As you may be | aware, the OLPC design calls for a centralized versioning

Re: [sugar] Educational Toolkit

2008-03-25 Thread Deepank Gupta
Hello Ben, Thanks for your valuable feedback on the proposal. I have read your wiki page, and message, and I do not understand why you think you cannot implement your goal as a standard activity. Please explain this, preferably on the wiki. What we are trying to propose is that since the

Re: [sugar] GVFS, OLPC, and GIT ?

2008-03-25 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 10:29 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: It sounds like in order to use GVFS for a revision-controlled system, one must either represent versions as paths or mounts. Neither seems ideal to me, as versions are something else altogether. Exactly. Its doable, but not

[sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Eben Eliason
A lot of thought has gone into the present tabbed toolbar design, with goals of balancing valuable screen real estate with extensibility of the design. Still, we've come to find some drawbacks with the current design, including the sole use of text (which is secondary to icons in the rest of the

Re: [sugar] code reviews

2008-03-25 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hope you don't mind if I review some code of yours ;) Please do. =) * Colorize activities in Home view(s) on hover: -icon = CanvasIcon(size=style.STANDARD_ICON_SIZE, cache=True, +self.icon

[sugar] Automatic transfer/update of activities on the mesh (Was: Sharing behavior in the core Read activity)

2008-03-25 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi James, Another thing I remember reading is that if two kids share an activity and one has an older version of the activity than the other, the older version gets updated so they both have the newer version.

Re: [sugar] code reviews

2008-03-25 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tomeu, I found and have fixes two issues regarding the redesign: a) the devices in the tray does draw the palette but not the black border around the icon like they do in the Friendstray for example b) when

[sugar] Joyride is reopened for development.

2008-03-25 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, We announced the Joyride builds as having been frozen for new features several months ago, as we solidified the Update.1 build. Now that it's doing fine in its own stream, we're reopening the Joyride process for new development. So, consider Joyride to be gradually unfreezing. Please

Re: [sugar] Automatic transfer/update of activities on the mesh (Was: Sharing behavior in the core Read activity)

2008-03-25 Thread Michael Stone
Eben, I've got more questions than answers for you, but perhaps my smaller questions will make the overall problem easier to analyze. Michael Questions: First, how will we discover that a code exchange is needed? Three straw-man options include: a) include adequate information in a

Re: [sugar] GVFS, OLPC, and GIT ?

2008-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | sufficiently generic to encompass multiple versions. I do not fully | grasp the layering between GIO and GVFS. Be aware that GIO/GVFS are very high level. In other words, they work for the Gnome guys because

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Gary C Martin
On 25 Mar 2008, at 15:47, Eben Eliason wrote: Taking these concerns to heart, I'd like to propose an alternate to the tabbed toolbar design which attempts to address these new concerns with the current design, again making some tradeoffs but hopefully coming out on top in the end. The core

Re: [sugar] Automatic transfer/update of activities on the mesh (Was: Sharing behavior in the core Read activity)

2008-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 13:46 -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: Naturally, there are some security concerns, but those could be easily addressed, I believe, with the usual signing mechanisms. Updates to activities would only be transparent if the update was signed, etc. I agree. For a first

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Nate Ridderman
Eben, By no means do I consider myself a user interface expert, but I have a few comments. In general, I agree that this proposal is better for localization and may take up less screen real estate. Would there still be default buttons to share, keep, and/or stop the activity? I believe it's

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 04:41:58PM +, Gary C Martin wrote: The core component of the new approach is the introduction of the toolbar button, which you can see mockups of at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Toolbars. There is no text with the mockups yet, but I'll add it later. In

[sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Automatic transfer/update of activities on the mesh

2008-03-25 Thread Eben Eliason
After just a couple well considered responses, it seems that this might be another topic worthy of some time under the spotlight at the mini-conference. I copied both of these great responses to my initial email below, just to make sure they remain for everyone to reference. I trust that you can

Re: [sugar] Joyride is reopened for development.

2008-03-25 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Chris wrote * Continue to have (all) activities present in Joyride builds. I don't know how many others are like me, but for me this creates awkwardness (I dual-boot my G1G1 between a public will see this build (e.g., Update.1) and a development build (e.g., Joyride). My problem is that I

Re: [sugar] Joyride is reopened for development.

2008-03-25 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Mikus, But Activities in /usr/share/activities seem to take precedence over same-name Activities in /home/olpc/Activities. My understanding is that exactly the opposite is true, but I might be wrong -- /home/olpc/Activities should be taking precedence. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris

[sugar] Merging sugar-toolkit changes from tomeu repository

2008-03-25 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I went through the patches to figure out how to go about review and merging. The changes can be summarized as: 1 Palette improvements. 2 Accell support. 3 Add favorite property to the activity registry. My feeling is that 1 and 2 will require a careful review and possibly non trivial changes to

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Nate Ridderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eben, By no means do I consider myself a user interface expert, but I have a few comments. In general, I agree that this proposal is better for localization and may take up less screen real estate. Would there still

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I'd have to say that, despite the knowledge that all activities will run fullscreen, we should try to avoid developing to a particular piece of hardware (and it's resolution). Hmmm. That sounds impossible. Your

Re: [sugar] some new matchbox rpm testing results

2008-03-25 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Martin, It looks like the memory is in Xorg[2], and is around 2 MiB per activity[3]: First of all, thanks so much for doing this profiling, it's awesome. I'm unclear on whether this 2 MiB per activity is additive or not -- matchbox seems to destroy the composition pixmap on client

Re: [sugar] some new matchbox rpm testing results

2008-03-25 Thread Michael Stone
compositor now compiles again - but dont work 100% Michael mentioned that etoys doesn't work for him either, and that Record is failing to render its Xvideo window sometimes too. Measure's waveform display is just a gray box (though the rest of its GUI is fine) and Gnash video also seems

[sugar] Compositing and Frame Animation

2008-03-25 Thread Michael Stone
Dear sugar developers, I've been looking for easily modifiable UI features that feel to me to be less than snappy. Compositing support has made animation of the frame into one of these features; therefore, here is a patch that removes it for your experimental consideration. Feel free to apply