Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in fact there was a post within the last week claiming that it would be a bad idea to make sugar able to use unmodified linux software becouse that would mean that the educational software and activities being written for sugar

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll say that the impression that I have received as an outsider is that the people working on Sugar have not at all been interested in compatibility with normal linux software. It's more accurate to say that while

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody who implemented Sugar in the early days clearly didn't understand the X11 networked graphics model -- or didn't mind breaking it for expediency -- but they only broke it in small ways, which are pretty easily

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll say that the impression that I have received as an outsider is that the people working on Sugar have not at all been interested in compatibility with normal linux software. It's more accurate to say that while

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Walter Bender
I must have missed the post you refer to. It has never been the position of the core Sugar team--that I am aware of--to preclude the running of standard Linux apps. We even went so far as to hire a contractor to look at various ways to facilitate the running of standard X apps last

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I must have missed the post you refer to. It has never been the position of the core Sugar team--that I am aware of--to preclude the running of standard Linux

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Jim Gettys
Note I understand that metacity can be configured to use a dbus/gconf version, rather than bringing in the dread CORBA/bonobo dependencies we've worked so hard to avoid. So don't let ldd mislead you that it isn't worth a try; it is. So Metacity is clearly one of the contenders. This wasn't an

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Jim Gettys
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 16:47 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone would like to go ahead and try replacing matchbox with metacity, would be great ;) And I'd be happy to help out whoever attempts it both on

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect we're using dbus in some places where we should just be using the normal ICCCM/EWMH conventions. Activities/applications can run fine without DBus right now. The main problem are a couple of non standard X

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that this work (should be) the same, no matter what window manager we end up using. Window managers have been pretty interchangeable throughout X's history. That's what the ICCCM/EWMH's documents are all about. If

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Incidentally, this whole topic of getting Sugar to play nicely with Linux was the *exact* topic of my talk at FISL this year. The slides can be downloaded from http://download.laptop.org/content/conf/20080417-fisl08/cscott/ ; I'm under impression that the actual video will be available at some

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-27 Thread david
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Walter Bender wrote: Sugar/Linux could easily have compatibility with regular Linux stuff, but this has been denied despite strong demand. Albert, saying that this has been denied is overstated. Was it a priority in the beginning? No. Were some decisions made that make

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-26 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 03:27:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for Windows, the problem is that you can't scale large installations without going bankrupt with the annual fees that Microsoft charges.? This works out to about $100 per computer per year in many US schools, and is one

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-26 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have posted before, I am not distressed by the inclusion of Windows on the XO laptop, perhaps in a dual-boot configuration or whatever. What would distress me is if Windows was not sold as an option. If laptops

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-26 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Albert Cahalan wrote: Microsoft will never cooperate with dual-boot. They haven't ever even bothered with false promises. Forget about it. Actually, this is the last epic battle I fought