Re: [sugar] Activity updates in joyride (was Re: TurtleArt-18)

2008-11-25 Thread Gary C Martin
activity there and then on what links here. - Bert - On 24.11.2008, at 03:33, Gary C Martin wrote: Not meaning to pull Walter up on this, but... Are the Acitivity wiki pages still not getting version updated (yes I know it's a complicated undocumented mess of wiki spaghetti

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 Nov 2008, at 22:04, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definitely a problem. We are thinking about having a landing page similar to the one in http://www.eclipse.org/ that hopefully will give a way for everybody to

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 25 Nov 2008, at 00:52, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary C Martin wrote: Just a nit pick, SciPy is much replaced by Numpy though SciPy still overlaps enough the documentation seems pretty useful. This is a typo. You mean that Numeric

Re: [sugar] TurtleArt-18

2008-11-23 Thread Gary C Martin
Not meaning to pull Walter up on this, but... Are the Acitivity wiki pages still not getting version updated (yes I know it's a complicated undocumented mess of wiki spaghetti that no one has bothered telling the community about)? There's a whole bunch of activity releases that have floated

[sugar] 8.2-767 Mesh vs. AP on same channel wierdness

2008-11-05 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi, Just wanted to ping the dev list regarding the current expected 8.2-767 behaviour for Mesh vs. AP use. I now have 3 XOs here for testing all running 8.2-767, usually trying** to keep all 3 attached to an AP I have here for internet access. All 3 also have a blank jabber server set so

Re: [sugar] 9.1 proposal: Language learning on the XO.

2008-10-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 28 Oct 2008, at 23:46, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, I'm learning Spanish at the moment, and I wish the XO made it easier for me. I don't have any knowledge of what the right way to do either conventional or constructionist language learning on computers is; if anyone has much experience with

[sugar] Some Engadget press

2008-10-24 Thread Gary C Martin
Some Engadget press: http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/24/confirmed-kids-like-sugar-better-than-xp/ --Gary ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread Gary C Martin
On 17 Oct 2008, at 14:01, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * We should avoid having the activity itself be present in the videos; perhaps by minimizing it immediately before starting recording, and then setting up a globally-bound

Re: [sugar] code contributions to Sugar (was Re: Sugar Clock)

2008-10-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Oct 2008, at 09:30, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. I think this is a good example of why contributing to Sugar is necessarily hard. Many small technical contributions from the community require significant

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 16 Oct 2008, at 01:51, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Proposal (off the cuff, please poke holes in this): We might beef up | the HIG in the area of tagging, and even suggest a set of canonical | tags for various

Re: [sugar] Sugar Clock

2008-10-14 Thread Gary C Martin
On 14 Oct 2008, at 18:40, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: | On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Carlo Falciola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Carlo : nowhere in the default GUI there is a clock, even if, in the control panel

[sugar] [RELEASE] Moon 8

2008-10-11 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi all, Just released Moon-8, available from: sources (thanks to Simon for uploading): http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/moon-activity/Moon-8.tar.bz2 bundled: http://wiki.laptop.org/images/5/59/Moon-8.xo NEWS * Updated empty NEWS file with actual news * Added pt_BR.po

Re: [sugar] scrolling the journal list view (was Re: alt-tabbing to the Journal)

2008-10-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Oct 2008, at 11:34, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Realtime scrolling so you can just grab, drag, and look as it goes past. Indeed. I have

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Oct 2008, at 16:34, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: What I wish for is that Content bundles were not second-class citizens. The entire Home View is devoted to presenting Activities for launching (or deletion). But Collections currently are presented only within the left-hand panel in Browse.

Re: [sugar] Viewing PDFs from Browse

2008-10-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 12 Oct 2008, at 00:26, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: I was thinking along similar terms, and here's the screenshot of the latest version: http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/pdf_embed/Screenshot.png To get this in your own XO (I used this on a clean install of 767), download the install the

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 12 Oct 2008, at 01:48, Wade Brainerd wrote: On the bad side, you can't run two Wikipedias because they will try to bind webservers to the same port. Also, if the user removes Browse, Wikipedia will no longer run. These issues could best be solved by a sugar-webcontent-activity

Re: [sugar] scrolling the journal list view (was Re: alt-tabbing to the Journal)

2008-10-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Oct 2008, at 22:49, Martin Dengler wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 09:20:56PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 11 Oct 2008, at 11:34, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: The main problem here is potential length of the scrolling page. [...] we could

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Oct 2008, at 14:26, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Bill Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Here's a short dialogue between myself, Ben Schwartz, Martin Dengler, and Bobby Powers on

Re: [sugar] journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Gary C Martin
On 9 Oct 2008, at 19:57, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Elana Langer wrote from Mongolia: basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write, record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it - especially if it is more than a few days old. This is why everyone is

Re: [sugar] alt-tabbing to the Journal

2008-10-08 Thread Gary C Martin
On 8 Oct 2008, at 03:51, Walter Bender wrote: The bottom line is that, at least as far as the XO is concerned (and other machines with limited memory and no swap) the list of activities to tab through, with or without the Journal, is going to be a short list, so is it really such a pressing

Re: [sugar] alt-tabbing to the Journal

2008-10-07 Thread Gary C Martin
On 7 Oct 2008, at 16:31, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:21:23PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: have we reached any consensus on [alt-tabbing to the Journal]? No, based on http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6251

Re: [sugar] Question from Uruguay

2008-10-06 Thread Gary C Martin
On 6 Oct 2008, at 15:27, Walter Bender wrote: I agree that it isn't very obvious from the Activities page how to find the Actvities/All page. I can imagine a non-native-English-speaking child not having an easy time of it either. Seems the pendulum has swung pretty far towards G1G1 and away

Re: [sugar] content bundle development

2008-10-05 Thread Gary C Martin
On 5 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Walter Bender wrote: You should only need an index.html file that points to your PDF. html meta http-equiv=refresh content=0;url=file:///home/olpc/Library/[bundle name]/[PDF name].pdf /html In the library/library.info file, there should be an activity_start

Re: [sugar] another response time

2008-10-01 Thread Gary C Martin
On 1 Oct 2008, at 13:49, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: as you probably installed previously the Wikipedia activity, my guess is that the jffs2 gc thread was taking most of the CPU. If I understand correctly, this raises the possibility that other actions performed *prior* to the launching of an

Re: [sugar] Image Viewer Activity

2008-09-30 Thread Gary C Martin
On 29 Sep 2008, at 19:49, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 29.09.2008 um 11:46 schrieb Sayamindu Dasgupta: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Sep 2008, at 17:13, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: A screenshot is at http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/Captura

Re: [sugar] Image Viewer Activity

2008-09-30 Thread Gary C Martin
On 30 Sep 2008, at 15:58, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. Sayamindu, want an SVG icon to go with it? Or do you have something planned? I was thinking just a rectangular picture frame with a very simple mountain/sun

Re: [sugar] Image Viewer Activity

2008-09-30 Thread Gary C Martin
On 29 Sep 2008, at 17:13, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: A screenshot is at http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/Captura%20de%20pantalla_1.png The code lives in Git: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/sayamindu/imageviewer- activity;a=tree Comments, patches and brickbats are welcome :-). No

Re: [sugar] Any idea why ./setup fix_manifest should auto delete my locale directory?

2008-09-29 Thread Gary C Martin
On 29 Sep 2008, at 09:41, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I used the ./setup dev to try the syn link for testing, for a while, but found it a risky approach. Several times the Sugar UI wouldn't allow me to erase said

Re: [sugar] Image Viewer Activity

2008-09-29 Thread Gary C Martin
On 29 Sep 2008, at 17:13, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: Hello, I was a little annoyed with having to start up Browse to view images, and since I had done a small toy PyGTK based image viewer widget sometime back, I decided to put that in an activity over the weekend. You can download it from

Re: [sugar] Any idea why ./setup fix_manifest should auto delete my locale directory?

2008-09-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 19 Sep 2008, at 08:20, Simon Schampijer wrote: Gary C Martin wrote: Any idea why running ./setup fix_manifest should be auto deleting my locale directory? Seems a little mean spirited of it - doesn't warn me or anything. --Gary Hi Gary, it does it because the builder removes

[sugar] [RELEASE] Moon 7

2008-09-26 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi, Just released (yes I know, another) new version of Moon, main change is the inclusion of French language. Thanks go to Bastien Guerry for this! NEWS * Added French locale by Bastien Guerry (thanks!) * Reduced frame padding to allow more space for longer French strings. * Fixed

[sugar] Another pass through some basic Activity test results

2008-09-25 Thread Gary C Martin
Here's a set of basic Activity test results for build 8.2-763, hope the ASCI art doesn't get too mangled by the list server (need to view with a fixed width font). The Activities are in no specific order, and sorry if I missed out yours, but I wanted to post today incase it helps with

[sugar] Secrete hidden Home view styles

2008-09-25 Thread Gary C Martin
I was hoping the extra view types would have made it into the new release, but looks like some official decision to hide them has been made. Pitty. I just tested with 50 activities I've been testing, set as favourites, and the only 2 views that are usable are SUNFLOWER_LAYOUT and the less

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 Sep 2008, at 16:12, Erik Garrison wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:03:01AM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi Erik, Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change this? Sounds good, I'd

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 Sep 2008, at 16:34, Gary C Martin wrote: I thought there was a bug with the current implementation that has slipped this release cycle. I understood the Frame was to reveal and then as you alt-tabbed you could see the focus move between the Activity instances (i.e. no switching has yet

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 Sep 2008, at 18:25, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift the frame slides, and how I don't see any screen redraws. The experience is totally more fluid. Does it degrade overall performance? If not much, and if that

Re: [sugar] [RELEASE] Calculate 25

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Reinier, On 24 Sep 2008, at 22:20, Reinier Heeres wrote: Hi, I released a new version of Calculate, it's available at: http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/calculate/Calculate-25.xo Sources are at: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/calculate-activity/Calculate-25.tar.bz2 NEWS entries:

Re: [sugar] frame gets in the way when alt-tabbing

2008-09-23 Thread Gary C Martin
On 23 Sep 2008, at 15:08, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 23.09.2008 um 06:21 schrieb Erik Garrison: Both Joyride and 8.2 streams have composition enabled by default. You can test composition by running xcompmgr -d :0.0 in the terminal. It is available, but the window manager does not use

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-19 Thread Gary C Martin
On 19 Sep 2008, at 09:15, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm showing my age here, but is bundle_id a replacement for service_name? Seem to be identical. Yeah, service_name is deprecated but they are basically the same

Re: [sugar] Keeping Trac(k)

2008-09-19 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Bert, On 19 Sep 2008, at 13:27, Bert Freudenberg wrote: For keeping up with new Trac tickets I discovered this RSS feed: http://dev.laptop.org/timeline?ticket=onmax=50daysback=7format=rss ... which only has entries for opened and closed tickets. This is much more bearable than

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-19 Thread Gary C Martin
On 19 Sep 2008, at 03:49, Douglas Bagnall wrote: Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps correcting http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_tutorial would help? Good point -- done, at least for host_version and bundle_id. As it happens the actually published HelloWorld activity is one

Re: [sugar] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing

2008-09-19 Thread Gary C Martin
On 20 Sep 2008, at 01:42, jean piche wrote: The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against other activities. Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?). Yes.

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-19 Thread Gary C Martin
On 19 Sep 2008, at 22:50, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, any hints would be much appreciated as to what this last remaining setup.py WARNING is trying to tell me? WARNING:root:bundle_name deprecated, now

Re: [sugar] Activity testing on current 8.2 build 759

2008-09-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 9 Sep 2008, at 21:07, Morgan Collett wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 18:11, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 03:18:29AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote

Re: [sugar] Activity testing on current 8.2 build 759

2008-09-08 Thread Gary C Martin
On 9 Sep 2008, at 04:09, Erik Garrison wrote: On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 03:18:29AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: == Paint-20 Could start? Yes Could stop? Yes Sound: N/A Activity resume: Useful state is restored Note: Very laggy when you try to draw, perhaps 1

[sugar] Activity testing on current 8.2 build 759

2008-09-07 Thread Gary C Martin
In no particular order, here's a list of basic activity test results for the current 8.2 build 759 on a B4 XO. I've included both success and failure so folks know what was tested. I was a little surprised to see quite how many activities don't actually keep any useful state in the Journal

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] New Activity Launcher

2008-08-23 Thread Gary C Martin
On 22 Aug 2008, at 20:45, Eben Eliason wrote: My recent interactions with the launcher have led me to frustration. I updated a number of tickets on the subject, and also created an aggragator to track them all (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8090). The attached patch is an attempt to solve

Re: [sugar] commanding the movement of things on the screen

2008-08-21 Thread Gary C Martin
On 21 Aug 2008, at 20:22, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I use an external USB trackball, and do most of my work in Terminal. On numerous occasions, when I have moved the cursor to a scrollbar location above the slider, and have left-button clicked ONCE (to scroll up one screen's worth) -- the XO has

Re: [sugar] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-18 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Aug 2008, at 09:49, S Page wrote: The Firefox icon in Software update and Home view is mysterious ;-) From my testing on XO B4 hardware can I courteously suggest you at least be wary of running it. It will randomly eat your available CPU cycles and available memory. If you watch cpu

Re: [sugar] non-colored activity icons in frame

2008-08-14 Thread Gary C Martin
On 14 Aug 2008, at 13:17, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Just tried faster-2301. In the top bar of the Frame, the icons for the currently active Activities were being shown in black-and-white. Looked more aesthetic when they were shown in the user's colors. Just testing joyride-2301 here: Activity

Re: [sugar] Reviews report

2008-08-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Aug 2008, at 13:15, Release Team wrote: = Rejected requests = Palette persist over zoom levels http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4084 GTK stock icon problems (has patch) http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7641 Greyscreen on home view after looking at list view

Re: [sugar] new 8.2.0 beta joyride - upgrading via control panel ?

2008-08-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Aug 2008, at 15:13, C. Scott Ananian wrote: Please send me sugar logs for any activity update control panel failures, along with details on what activity it was attempting to download at the time. Please be sure you are using joyride-2266 or later, and that you have suspend turned off.

Re: [sugar] Journal view flips topmost entries

2008-08-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Aug 2008, at 18:50, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: One problem I have with my XO is that it sometimes is too SLOW for my reactions. Just now had been trying out an Activity. Ended it. Went to the Journal, with the intention of erasing the entry that Activity logged there. Saw that entry at

Re: [sugar] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!

2008-08-08 Thread Gary C Martin
On 8 Aug 2008, at 16:21, Daniel Drake wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 15:45 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: Speak cannot be started (the icon blinks for a long time and then the application stops starting). Please file a ticket. Already there, this one is down to package changes (Numeric in this

Re: [sugar] New joyride build 2258

2008-08-06 Thread Gary C Martin
On 6 Aug 2008, at 14:47, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 from 0.81.8-1.fc9 --- + 7495 open cp software-updater on first boot after an update I don't want this! I

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-05 Thread Gary C Martin
On 5 Aug 2008, at 16:50, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7 - Is cut supported? How do you remove things from the clipboard? How many items can it hold? Cut is definitely supported, and will remain mapped to the Ctrl-X shortcut

[sugar] SOM posted for July Sugar list activity

2008-08-01 Thread Gary C Martin
For those curious, I just posted the Sugar Self Organising Map (SOM) for the month of July: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Community/SOM#Sugar_Mailing_List --Gary ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] joyride-weekly: joyride-2230

2008-07-31 Thread Gary C Martin
On 31 Jul 2008, at 14:44, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 31.07.2008, at 15:14, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 31.07.2008, at 02:41, Michael Stone wrote: Dear world, This week's 'please test this joyride' is joyride-2230. Test group release notes, care of Charlie, are available at

Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-29 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Mikus, On 29 Jul 2008, at 22:09, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Please ensure that you have filed tickets for each and every one of them What good will that do? At the beginning of this year, I wrote a ticket saying an Activity would not start. Without notifying me, someone re-assigned *me*

Re: [sugar] Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Gary C Martin
Just added a ticket for this myself: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7617 Seems to affect quite a number of keys – at least on my XO B4 with Spanish overlay (worked fine in 2174). I'd previously added ticket (Journal search and frame key have no effect):

[sugar] Record-55 issue was B4 hardware failure (Was: Design Question)

2008-07-20 Thread Gary C Martin
, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not good news. I don't recall that anything should have changed between B4 and the C series that would have impacted Record. I'll have to check it out on more machines... -walter On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Gary C

Re: [sugar] Design Question

2008-07-18 Thread Gary C Martin
On 19 Jul 2008, at 00:18, Walter Bender wrote: (Now that we have a reasonably stable joyride-with a working Record activity again-I'll try to get a quick user study pulled together in Peru on this topic by someone less bias than myself.) Hmmm, not convinced Record-55 is working well enough

Re: [sugar] 8.2.0 Release Notes

2008-07-17 Thread Gary C Martin
On 17 Jul 2008, at 14:33, Greg Smith wrote: I need the latest, final, definitive screen shots and documentation on new Sugar GUI planned for 8.2.0 in the release notes ASAP. I plan to send release notes to deployment leads to see if they are interested in using 8.2.0. I will say that the

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Gary C Martin
On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:37, C. Scott Ananian wrote: $0.01: we shouldn't feel like shipping unsugarized apps is a failure: better an working app w/ crappy UI than no working app at all! Sorry to disagree Scott. I'm not so sure... One 'crappy' UI or weak security riddled activity, leads to a

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Jul 2008, at 20:15, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/15 Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you have a better idea of how Glucose should handle these issues, please share it. Simplifying assumptions are

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] #447: grab/scroll key

2008-07-13 Thread Gary C Martin
On 13 Jul 2008, at 16:19, Eben Eliason wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all to consider: there are two grab buttons. What if one tended to grab + move *objects*, and the other grabs + moves *scenes/backgrounds*? From what I've heard,

Re: [sugar] Graphical Sugar Control Panel

2008-07-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Jul 2008, at 17:39, Simon Schampijer wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Hi Greg, I'm looking for a list of what can be set in it and any screen shots or other background on what it provides for end users. Have you considered running it? It's been in Joyride for a few weeks. That's no good

Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Jun 2008, at 11:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control panel option? Is it ok to ship with hot corners on by default and let the users change it if they wish? Have settled for about 500ms for the corners. I found warm edges too

Re: [sugar] Browse v86 rainbow issue on update 1-706?

2008-06-01 Thread Gary C Martin
On 29 May 2008, at 03:58, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 03:42:55AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 28 May 2008, at 18:55, Martin Dengler wrote: Is this rainbow racing with X, or is that in joyride only? Sorry, not sure. I'm back on joyride now and Browse seems quite happy

Re: [sugar] Browse v86 rainbow issue on update 1-706?

2008-05-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 28 May 2008, at 18:55, Martin Dengler wrote: - original message - Subject: Browse v86 rainbow issue on update 1-706? From:Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:2008-05-28 17:42 Looking at the log for Web activity seems to point to rainbow/service.py, but it's

Re: [sugar] Report on OLPC in Ethiopia

2008-05-20 Thread Gary C Martin
On 20 May 2008, at 08:46, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: what about stemming the words? You may be able to use an english stemmer from xapian using the python bindings (not sure though). Thanks Tomeu, Yes, I was doing some very rudimentary stemming in my text parsing for specific cases, but I was

Re: [sugar] Report on OLPC in Ethiopia

2008-05-19 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Yamandu, I fed this into my self organising map (SOM) code. Here's the summary map generated for the report content: http://garycmartin.com/som/ethiopiareport_080227a-mh.jpg Oh, I was asked for a legend (on another list): http://garycmartin.com/som/SOM_legend.jpg --Gary

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] (Incomplete) Activity Launch Feedback

2008-05-18 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Eben/Tomeu, On 18 May 2008, at 15:37, Eben Eliason wrote: Attached,with launchbox.py included. - Eben I'm trying to apply you patch directly to an Xo with joyride 1946 (I don't have access to any other build environment so my tests are limited to patching an Xo B4). The patch seems

Re: [sugar] An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-08 Thread Gary C Martin
On 9 May 2008, at 00:42, Samuel Klein wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM, C. Scott Ananian ps. SJ, there are no 'core activities' that we ship. There is only one security-privileged activity (Journal), which we currently ship in the core build because (a) Sugar breaks otherwise, and

Re: [sugar] perceived sugar performance

2008-05-02 Thread Gary C Martin
On 2 May 2008, at 10:57, Samuel Klein wrote: SJ, who still wants the hand buttons to be mapped to the right and left mouse-clicks in addition to any other keymapping. Sorry, not me – I **really** want the hand keys implemented with the original intended scrolling behaviour. Perhaps once the

Re: [sugar] Copy/Paste icon colour (Re: A Sugar TODO List, of Sorts)

2008-04-22 Thread Gary C Martin
On 22 Apr 2008, at 17:56, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7 Apr 2008, at 20:00, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: • Color copy/paste buttons in activities Which colors should take? Just the local colors? I've always been unclear about

Re: [sugar] Clipboard Notification

2008-04-14 Thread Gary C Martin
On 14 Apr 2008, at 15:04, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Personal note: Been running the new look Sugar/Joyride for a while. [It does what you describe when an Activity is launched.] I've now trained myself to notice the pulsing icon in the top left hand corner -- but I think that is an

[sugar] Copy/Paste icon colour (Re: A Sugar TODO List, of Sorts)

2008-04-07 Thread Gary C Martin
On 7 Apr 2008, at 20:00, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: • Color copy/paste buttons in activities Which colors should take? Just the local colors? I've always been unclear about the purpose of this, and have not seen an explanation – always thought the coloured icon looked out of place in the

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-04-07 Thread Gary C Martin
On 5 Apr 2008, at 16:44, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: What if on rollover would appear a normal palette with all the buttons that would be in the subtoolbar? This palette would have an option for pinning it, and that would mean inserting a subtoolbar between the toolbar and the canvas like in the

Re: [sugar] XO experience in the classroom - Carol Lerche's daughter

2008-04-04 Thread Gary C Martin
On 5 Apr 2008, at 03:18, Carol Lerche wrote: They were so excited when they went to use them, they couldn't wait until they started up to start pressing all the buttons. Each group had four kids at a time, and my mom was constantly supervising them so if they had any problems, she could

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-03-25 Thread Gary C Martin
On 25 Mar 2008, at 15:47, Eben Eliason wrote: Taking these concerns to heart, I'd like to propose an alternate to the tabbed toolbar design which attempts to address these new concerns with the current design, again making some tradeoffs but hopefully coming out on top in the end. The core

Re: [sugar] icon assistance/validation

2008-03-20 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Eben, Quick question. What are you needing to composite the SVG over? Just a solid colour of some kind (frame grey), or is it more complicated than that? Just that in my test code I'm currently erasing the base Pixmap before each alpha Pixbuf composite of the SVG, and I suddenly wondered

Re: [sugar] icon assistance/validation

2008-03-19 Thread Gary C Martin
On 19 Mar 2008, at 03:19, Eben Eliason wrote: I suppose, however, that you could easily use the entities to paint strokes white and fills black, render it to a pixbuff, and apply it as a mask to a solid of the desired color. That would certainly do the right thing. Yep. Of course, in

Re: [sugar] icon assistance/validation

2008-03-18 Thread Gary C Martin
On 18 Mar 2008, at 14:40, Eben Eliason wrote: Perhaps we could even remove strokes in the fill color from the ruleset, as I don't believe I myself nor anyone else thus far has used them. If I understand your description here, I'm pretty sure I'm using them to get crisp icon detail within

Re: [sugar] icon assistance/validation

2008-03-18 Thread Gary C Martin
On 18 Mar 2008, at 20:13, Eben Eliason wrote: I can remove the stroke-opacity altogether. As mentioned before, I don't have any particular goal in mind with respect to that property...I just implemented it at the same time as fill-opacity because it was easy to add. I do want to keep the

Re: [sugar] icon assistance/validation

2008-03-18 Thread Gary C Martin
On 18 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Eben Eliason wrote: ** Much as I like a SMOOTH strobe effect, the XO as I understand it is really poor at transparency processing (HW can support it, but like so many things, the SW support isn't there yet). So it's slow to the point that the strobe effect had

Re: [sugar] storing Activity parameters

2008-03-17 Thread Gary C Martin
I just wanted to follow up on this activity preference storage idea from a few weeks ago, with some working code, as I've finally got around to writing/testing and all appears to work well. Feedback appreciated if I'm doing something dubious here. Activity defaults are hard coded, then

Re: [sugar] icon assistance/validation

2008-03-17 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Eben, While you at the wiki, could you make a distinction between activity icons (dual colour + transparency), and activity toolbar icons (1 colour plus transparency) – or maybe I'm wrong on the toolbar interpretation. I kinda get a little narky when I see toolbar icons with white fill

Re: [sugar] Update.1 activities download script

2008-03-14 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Mar 2008, at 00:34, Ixo X oxI wrote: Another great program to use to install .xo bundles. is 'xo- get'. Has both a console/terminal and Sugar/GUI interface. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Xo-get Currently under going testing, but pretty darn close with only a handful of

[sugar] Feedback item on new shell design (Make Journal integral to shell metaphor)

2008-03-03 Thread Gary C Martin
I added this last week to the wiki, but just thought I should mail this to the list incase no one is actually looking there :-) My input so far is the mock-up image and the text about making the Journal a core part of the shell metaphor, rather than the I'm a non-standard super activity