Re: [Sugar-devel] upstream AMO update (ASLO)

2009-06-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:20:20PM -0700, Josh Williams wrote: Hey everyone, In case you didn't know, AMO just got a big update https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ . Looks like a lot of the junk markup was removed so it will be easier to work with. However, since a lot of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow

2009-06-10 Thread Bastien
Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com writes: Ring of Dots http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#XO_Sugar_Boot_With_Overlap +1 -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Luke, On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 23:08, Luke Kenneth Casson Leightonl...@lkcl.net wrote: folks, hi, i might have mentioned some of this before, but wanted to emphasise a few things - please bear with me if you've heard some of it before. i'd been looking for python bindings to DOM model

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Grassroots-l] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting) reminder

2009-06-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 09.06.2009, at 16:16, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are having tomorrow, Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 02:43, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: ---  sugar-update-control.spec |    2 --  1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/sugar-update-control.spec b/sugar-update-control.spec index d5e16aa..09eda58 100644 ---

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, thus the conflict. Maybe we should check rainbow? IIRC, it'd be olpc-update. Those libs should be split off... m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02:21AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, thus the conflict. That is one of the cracktastic-est ways to resolve that conflict that I can think of :). I was told on IRC that the rpm has never worked, so I

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79?NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 03:57, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 10 Jun 2009, at 02:29, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:16:12PM -0300, Andrés Ambrois wrote: On Tuesday 09 June 2009 10:07:19 pm Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:46:07AM +0100, Gary C

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] 'Software update' is not translated

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
[adding sugar-devel to cc] On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:25, nout...@paiwastoon.com.af wrote: Greetings All, I downloaded and installed the latest Dari (fa_AF) and Pashto (ps) language packs from http://people.sugarlabs.org/sayamindu/langpacks/8.2/ However few words for example 'Software

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 6/9/09, Bobby Powers bobbypow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luke hallooo Actually, I believe Jan, the pywebkitgtk maintainer, started off with OLPC's Browse activity for that demo. He then modified it to use the new webkit bindings instead of hulahop ones. ahh, that would explain the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:14, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02:21AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, thus the conflict. That is one of the cracktastic-est ways to resolve that conflict

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote: (...) once done, you'd be able to pretty much drop the exact same olpc browser onto KHTML, webkit or xul. and, other than the c++ rtti-related bugs in KHTML, you'd get exactly the same functionality. Cool.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 6/10/09, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi Luke, hii tomeu so i just wanted to ask: do you _know_ how many people have been looking, for years, for python bindings to XUL? are you _aware_ how powerful and how under-appreciated hulahop is? :) the mozilla mailing lists

[Sugar-devel] Sugar + OLPC mesh network selection logic

2009-06-10 Thread Daniel Drake
with OLPC mesh support http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/dsd/NetworkManager/log/?h=olpc http://dev.laptop.org/~sjoerd/NM0.7/olpc-mesh.fdi sugar-0.84.5 patch to add mesh support (connects to link local mesh when selected on neighborhood view) http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090610/sugar-0.84-olpc-mesh.patch

[Sugar-devel] More sugar screencasts

2009-06-10 Thread Bastien
Hi all, I rolled over my sleeves and did some screencasts: http://lumiere.ens.fr/~guerry/sugar-screencasts.php They demonstrate these points: - Installing a XO bundle in Sugar - Installing InfoSlicer from Sugar Labs git repo - Playing with OOo4Kids in Sugar Enjoy, -- Bastien

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:42:49PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: Two things to consider when looking at this... - Startup, memory use and general responsiveness on XO hardware and general netbook hw. The current Browse.xo

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Before GSoC started, I did my own tests of webkit vs gecko. Firefox lost everywhere and lost especially bad on memory usage. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317039/webkit%20vs%20gecko%20osx.txt http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317039/webkit%20vs%20gecko%20soas.txt

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Sean, I had another thought. Activities can be included in up to three categories on ASLO. So, in addition to GCompris we could also have a Core category (or Pre-Installed or some other agreed upon phrase) that would include all the Activities that are installed by default. This would

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Grassroots-l] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting) reminder

2009-06-10 Thread David Van Assche
Hmm ok, I stand corrected :-) I'm wondering now where I got the 20:00 time from... David On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 09.06.2009, at 16:16, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing

[Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Collabora tion Testing Session @ Wed Jun 10 3pm – 5pm (sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org)

2009-06-10 Thread Frederick Grose
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar + OLPC mesh network selection logic

2009-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: And now the logic I want to implement, which is similar to that in previous OLPC OS releases: - First, attempt to connect to any known access points that are in range using saved credentials. Always prefer known APs to mesh. - As a fallback if those APs fail, or if no APs

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Sean DALY
I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the classics. i don't mind trying to write the instructions if someone else can edit post them. thanks Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM, James Simmonsjim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Sean, I had another thought.  

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:34:29PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the classics. It'd be great if the classifications found happened to, or could be easily made to, be sensibly related to the classifications used for quite some time now:

[Sugar-devel] Booth Banner page on wiki!

2009-06-10 Thread Sean DALY
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners I have managed to create a Booth Banner page on the wiki. Still have to add the links to the source PDF files though (they are uploaded but I need to write the markup for the links). I have updated the Marketing Team/resources page as well

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Booth Banner page on wiki!

2009-06-10 Thread Mike Lee
Sean, All looks fab. Thanks to all involved, having a tested PDF will save our DC crew some hoops. We will look for a local supplier as there are plenty. Mike On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:48:43AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Martin, First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and their teachers. Sure - I'm agreeing That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a category. I didn't see that as an issue. Now since we can give an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Martin, I phrased that poorly. A kid might care that James Simmons wrote Read Etexts. He probably won't care if James Simmons is a part of Sugar Labs, or part of the community, or if it was part of GCompris, or if we consider Read Etexts part of Glucose, Sucrose, Fructose, etc. If a kid

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
I think we're in violent agreement: different taxonomies are great in that they can serve different needs [and we don't want to confuse anyone if we can help it]. pgpdksCQeiY9L.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: FWIW, I have tried and failed to understand fructose, glucose, honey, etc. When I get around to writing a little Activity I guess I'll climb that learning curve. I'm sure it's a useful classification system, but I don't think

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko were very similar. The benchmarks I've used stress the browser engine, especially javascript. Perceived performance is usually better with webkit as well, though. 2009/6/10 Jonas Smedegaard

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow

2009-06-10 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
FWIW + 1 Ring of dots :) Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Faisal Sadeq Khan o...@sadeq.me.ukwrote: +1 Ring of dots Best wishes. Faisal -- One Laptop per Child (OLPC) Opening new opportunities to children the world over. http://laptop.org/en/vision 2009/6/10

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79 NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-10 Thread simon
outside bugtracker I'm not aware of the existence of any 802.11s USB adapters which could be plugged into a netbook for mesh. There is a project for 802.11s on Linux, which I believe is now in the main kernel. http://www.open80211s.org/ I have a device 'zd1211rw' which is partially

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko were very similar. Lucian -- what Jonas and I are trying to say is: even if gecko is (was?) by less performant than

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Not now, I have my own work to do for GSoC. I have talked to tomeu about what it would take to give Browse the ability to switch between engines. The general conclusion was that another layer of indirection would be needed, on top of hulahop/pywebkitgtk that Browse would use. Hand tuning or not,

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Apparently someone did that for me http://www.j5live.com/2007/08/02/webkit-and-xulrunner-mozilla-side-by-side-on-the-xo/ 2009/6/10 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I have the results

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:33:22PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: Apparently someone did that for me http://www.j5live.com/2007/08/02/webkit-and-xulrunner-mozilla-side-by-side-on-the-xo/ That one I believe is known to old-timers of this list.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
I meant the code. I really don't have time, but someone could do a benchmark since there is code for Browse-webkit. As rough as it may be. Firefox is still way behind, especially on embedded devices. 2009/6/10 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:29:25PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: I meant the code. I really don't have time, but someone could do a benchmark since there is code for Browse-webkit. As rough as it may be. Ahh, I get it now .-) Firefox is still

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi James, On 10 Jun 2009, at 17:48, James Simmons wrote: Martin, First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and their teachers. That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a category. Now since we can give an Activity up to three Categories it might make sense to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Walter Bender
FWIW, the 100 or so GCompris activities have an internal organization as well: maths physics puzzles reading amusements strategy games discovery learn about the computer -walter On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi James, On 10 Jun 2009, at 17:48,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Jun 2009, at 18:24, James Simmons wrote: Martin, I phrased that poorly. A kid might care that James Simmons wrote Read Etexts. He probably won't care if James Simmons is a part of Sugar Labs, or part of the community, or if it was part of GCompris, or if we consider Read

[Sugar-devel] Epub and Read

2009-06-10 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hi all, I have been working on getting Epub support into Read, and here is the first screenshot: http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/screenshot_read_epub.png It is not based on Evince, but on webkit (I had tried to implement a backend for Evince, but lack of well defined pagination in many (most??)

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Clock-5

2009-06-10 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Url: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4191 Release notes: Reviewer comments: Fighting through all the Admin text fields again... Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-10

2009-06-10 Thread Walter Bender
===Sugar Digest=== 1. In a week full of accomplishments, one event stands out. Caroline Meeks has received a grant from the Gould Foundation in support of the Sugar-on-a-Stick pilot at a Boston public elementary school. We'll begin the pilot by participating in a five-week summer program, which

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC] SSB creator

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Update http://honeyweb.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/ssb-creator/ 2009/6/7 Bobby Powers bobbypow...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: For my project, I will extend Browse with the ability to create SSBs. Read more here