Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bryan Berry
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:45 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, Our current trac instance is missing some basic functionality: - versions per component: a really simple enhancement would be to have a text field (maybe some versions (sugar core) you can select from) but that we do not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Paint improvements?

2009-07-09 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 07:41:33PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Nod, I've done that for Memorize and maybe we will for Paint too. It will take some thought to get it right and I've got a lot on my plate right now. Worth it if it turns into code but right now I'm wondering

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick - and Csound

2009-07-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 03:48, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:14:26PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: Does anyone have insight concerning this response from Victor Lazzarini of the csound-devel listserv? (Victor wrote the csndsugui activity for Sugar and is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/09/2009 08:06 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:45 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, Our current trac instance is missing some basic functionality: - versions per component: a really simple enhancement would be to have a text field (maybe some versions (sugar core) you

Re: [Sugar-devel] prep for an article

2009-07-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 02:57, Eduardo H. Silvahoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/8 Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net: Ann, Luke tells me that: 1. The chats are stored in the journal, but we don't know if there is an easy way to move them to a flash drive (Luke is trying as I type). Chat

[Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity. Even with all the expertise on-site they seem to have been advising the (incorrect) use of the Keep button here:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Perhaps it's time for a rethink/redesign. This functionality could be moved to the journal itself, in a place where it can be presented with more context, something like Create duplicate copy. Or even some kind of visual feedback

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity. That's not far from the truth, right? At least in any

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Daniel Drake
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Adding Chris Rowe (also using Redmine) and Noah coderanger Kantrowitz, of Trac fame. On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:42 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/09/2009 08:06 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:45 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, Our current trac instance is missing

Re: [Sugar-devel] css selector

2009-07-09 Thread Lucian Branescu
jQuery uses Sizzle, which uses native selectors whenever it can. You can see in that graph the green bar (jQuery 1.2.7 experimental) is only a sliver slower than native selectors, when available. Even without native selectors, Sizzle is very fast and I doubt it'll be a bottleneck for you. If I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bryan Berry
here is the main features page for redmine http://www.redmine.org/wiki/redmine/Features On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:42 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/09/2009 08:06 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:45 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, If u make each component a subproject,

Re: [Sugar-devel] prep for an article

2009-07-09 Thread Jeff Elkner
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 05:54:35PM -0400, Jeff Elkner wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:42 PM, a k a.akenn...@gmail.com wrote: 1) can we capture the text of the chats the students are having? (I'd like to do a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 16:56 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: here is the main features page for redmine http://www.redmine.org/wiki/redmine/Features On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:42 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/09/2009 08:06 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:45 +0200, Simon

Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore redesign

2009-07-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 16:33, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:29:53PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Agreed. I have to say that your proposal is excellent, congratulations!

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bryan Berry
sure, i can work on it. i can try to put a couple hours into it tomorrow. can u send me the passwd in a pm? On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:40 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 16:56 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: here is the main features page for redmine

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bryan Berry
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:40 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 16:56 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: Would you like to help configure it to give us an idea of how it would work in practice? bernie: to be productive i will occasionally need your help. What times will u be online

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 17:53 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: sure, i can work on it. i can try to put a couple hours into it tomorrow. You should have received login info by email. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 18:01 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:40 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 16:56 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: Would you like to help configure it to give us an idea of how it would work in practice? bernie: to be productive i will

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 02:03:06PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: As far as I understand it, Keep is useful for these types of scenarios: - you've done a lot

Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore redesign

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 16:33, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:29:53PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Agreed.

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoAS Testing with XS

2009-07-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
It was worth a try but I see exactly the same behavior on the media lab jabber server. One thing I think I am noticing. It seems like one machine at a time is connected to the Jabber Server. What happens when a machine connects? Is there anyway that one machine connecting could cause another to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 9 Jul 2009, at 11:29, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: SoAS Testing with XS

2009-07-09 Thread Gary C Martin
Sorry, this was meant to go to the list no just Caroline. Begin forwarded message: From: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Date: 9 July 2009 15:54:34 BST To: Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SoAS Testing with XS On 9 Jul 2009, at 15:19, Caroline Meeks

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Paint improvements?

2009-07-09 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 07:28:09AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 06:26:00PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Nod, I've done that for Memorize and maybe we will for Paint too.  It will take some

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick - and Csound

2009-07-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 17:29, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does your action on Tomeu's filing mean that this Python bindings issue is now fixed? No it doesn't, its just what I suspect is the issue. I don't currently have time to investigate it further so I put the note on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Paint improvements?

2009-07-09 Thread Ton van Overbeek
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 07:28:09AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 06:26:00PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Nod, I've done

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, 8 months in the tank at 1CC sitting next to Eben, you'd think I know how this was designed to work ;-( I've actually read the HIG too! I see two case here: Case 1 - Create something in one activity and then use it right away another. I forgot that switching to a new activity puts a copy

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: SoAS Testing with XS

2009-07-09 Thread Dave Bauer
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Sorry, this was meant to go to the list no just Caroline. Begin forwarded message: From: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Date: 9 July 2009 15:54:34 BST To: Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com Subject: Re:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Paint improvements?

2009-07-09 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:07:11PM -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 07:28:09AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wed, Jul

[Sugar-devel] Please use Feature 0.86 category for all 0.86 features

2009-07-09 Thread Aleksey Lim
Hi all, I think having all 0.86 features in one category Feature 0.86 makes process easier(for developers and users). -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] netbook as terminology

2009-07-09 Thread Bastien
Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Yes.  In the meantime, I would *love* to see the XS server running, and a tutorial on how to use Sugar with non-XO computers connected thru a XS server...  IMHO

[Sugar-devel] Switching between activities? (was Re: Nobody understands Keep)

2009-07-09 Thread Bastien
Hi all, Greg Smith gregsmit...@gmail.com writes: I forgot that switching to a new activity puts a copy of the old one on the Journal (20+ e-mails on that subject alone last year!). This comment and Daniel's ones about the Keep button just make me wonder why Sugar should allow several

Re: [Sugar-devel] Switching between activities? (was Re: Nobody understands Keep)

2009-07-09 Thread Walter Bender
The biggest downside is that some activities are very slow to launch... especially on the XO. -walter On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi all, Greg Smith gregsmit...@gmail.com writes: I forgot that switching to a new activity puts a copy of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Switching between activities?

2009-07-09 Thread Bastien
Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com writes: The biggest downside is that some activities are very slow to launch... especially on the XO. I guess the downside for children to get stuck with too many open activities on their XO is bigger than that of waiting for an activity to launch --

[Sugar-devel] GPA collaboration Issues - owner key theory

2009-07-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
We will delete ~/.sugar/owner.key and ~/.sugar/owner.key.pub when we reburn the sticks on Monday. However, my problem with this theory is that l've been cloning pretty much the same Stick from FOSSVT on. Other places we have multiple people using the same stick without this problem. However,

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA collaboration Issues - owner key theory

2009-07-09 Thread Dave Bauer
Are you sure? I think we were deleting ~/.sugar completely before. Trying to save the journal etc makes it more complex. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@meekshome.com wrote: We will delete  ~/.sugar/owner.key and ~/.sugar/owner.key.pub when we reburn the sticks on

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA collaboration Issues - owner key theory

2009-07-09 Thread Walter Bender
Have we experimented with unmodified keys? -walter On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@meekshome.comwrote: We will delete ~/.sugar/owner.key and ~/.sugar/owner.key.pub when we reburn the sticks on Monday. However, my problem with this theory is that l've been cloning

[Sugar-devel] GPA collaboration Issues - keepalive theory

2009-07-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
The other theory we are working on is that something is not set to long enough in keepalive This theory is based on the logs saying that jabber had been disconnected probably because gabble and died. We are thinking that actually the hardware/network might just be slow. Collabora suggested that

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA collaboration Issues - owner key theory

2009-07-09 Thread Dave Bauer
I tested this on my eeePC with soas. First I deleted gconf/gconfd and I got to pick my name and colors, but my jabber id was the same. So I removed owner.key(.pub) without gconf and i got a new key and my jabber id changed. I think it can't hurt to try it quick on some of the sticks before they

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA collaboration Issues - keepalive theory

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: The other theory we are working on is that something is not set to long enough in keepalive The logs we saw earlier were clearly of a domain vs IP address mismatch. Did you try the fix that I've suggested

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Eduardo H. Silvahoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Add ability to record to Speak?

2009-07-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Muriel de Souza Godoi murielgo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been away from Sugar for a long time... but keep reading the mailing lists :) I will be on vacation until July 20th, but after that I can face this as a new effort to help Sugar What about