Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Sean DALY
I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering No, there wasn't marketing decided, it was Tomeu who thought of flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit since natural wholesome sugars, a fun treat for kids), and sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting. I do

Re: [Sugar-devel] Project Guidelines posted

2009-09-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 03:51:55PM -0500, David Farning wrote: The project guidelines are now on the wiki at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Project_Guidelines . Please edit as necessary. When it looks like the editing has stopped, I ask the board the ratify the guidelines.

[Sugar-devel] bolzano 2009

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Silbe, are you planning to attend the SugarCamp in Bolzano? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009 There's going to be a Zeitgeist meeting and will be great to discuss our journal goals with them. http://live.gnome.org/ZeitgeistHackFest2009 Regards,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Douglas McClendon
David Farning wrote: Thanks for joining us Douglas. I would like to point out that there are two separate yet interlinked issues at hand: 1. Easy and fast install. 2. Running OS natively on removable solid state media. understood. Douglas' Liveos solved the first issue. It is very

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Douglas McClendon
David Farning wrote: I am currently at the hypothesis stage. My hypothesis is that something is causing an excessive number of reads/writes to a small portion of a USB memory stick. My first guess is that the problem is the interaction of _cheap_ usb chips/firmware and the filesystem

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Douglas McClendon
Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 06:48:53AM -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote: Douglas McClendon wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Douglas McClendondmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: My name is Douglas McClendon, and I created the ZyX-LiveInstaller

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Douglas McClendon dmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: Basically if these tests are against installed systems, I really don't have anything useful to add.  But if this involves LiveOS style boot with overlay, then I still don't have much to add other than I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Douglas McClendon
Martin Dengler wrote: I am suggesting that ease of installation to another medium is not longer the primary usecase for SoaS. Caroline continues to ask for easy ways to duplicate a stick. zyx-liveinstaller should be one way to duplicate sticks in the sense of going from one LiveOS to many

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a directory...so I was hoping that you would just say yes or no

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread David Farning
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I started running the tests last week to see if we could generate some data from which we could make some predictions on the reliability of various lots (model, size, firmwre) of USB memory sticks. The original idea was that name brand sticks might last

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 04:24:55AM -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote: And there may also be better long term ways around it than what I would do. The F11-on-XO guys over at fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com are having a serious go at changing the partition layout for XO-1.5 deployment images. We are

[Sugar-devel] [Design] ColorButton

2009-09-10 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, currently the ColorButton is not fully clear in it's behavior (see http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/388). Click outside the palette to close it etc. Benjamin suggested to have an ok/cancel button to make the end of the selection clear http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/388#comment:7 Do others

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] ColorButton

2009-09-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:54:48PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, currently the ColorButton is not fully clear in it's behavior (see http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/388). Click outside the palette to close it etc. Benjamin suggested to have an ok/cancel button to make the end of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I was thinking that different lot/filesytem combinations would gracefully degrade at consistent predictable rates.  Instead, I got a rather unexpected result.  Rapid failure of a lot/filesystem combination. Did you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Douglas McClendon
Douglas McClendon wrote: David Farning wrote: The primary use case is now running Sugar and the underlying OS as natively as possible on the removable solid state media. The primary goals are now reliability and speed. The issue is not that overlays are bad/good or real file systems. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
David; It seems to me, from these discussions, that you may not be actually testing the reliability of the USB's. This is if you are testing a live fs. The unknown in the picture is the size and presence of the overlay and when it will be exhaused. This may, as Doug suggests, be what causes

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Douglas McClendon
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Douglas McClendon dmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: Basically if these tests are against installed systems, I really don't have anything useful to add. But if this involves LiveOS style boot with overlay, then I still don't have

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Douglas McClendon
Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 04:24:55AM -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote: And there may also be better long term ways around it than what I would do. The F11-on-XO guys over at fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com are having a serious go at changing the partition layout for XO-1.5

[Sugar-devel] Check for binaries, not config files, when deciding if a tool is installed

2009-09-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Michael (and others), Not sure, but it seems from src/sugar/activity/activityfactory.py (approx. line 250) of recent sugar-toolkit that rainbow is used if the path /etc/olpc-security exists on the system. If that is correct, then I recommend changing that to instead test for the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Check for binaries, not config files, when deciding if a tool is installed

2009-09-10 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 02:41:15PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Not sure, but it seems from src/sugar/activity/activityfactory.py (approx. line 250) of recent sugar-toolkit that rainbow is used if the path /etc/olpc-security exists on the system. The intention is to be able to de/activate

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
Great discussion. I'd love to be able to have a name for the next release because I need to talk about it a great deal these days. I say Should we base our spin on Strawberry or the next release. I talk about: Should we try to combine Strawberry codebase and the new tool bar design?. Can I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Check for binaries, not config files, when deciding if a tool is installed

2009-09-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 03:09:12PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 02:41:15PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Not sure, but it seems from src/sugar/activity/activityfactory.py (approx. line 250) of recent sugar-toolkit that rainbow is used if the path /etc/olpc-security

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Sean DALY
thanks Martin in fact I often worry about talking too much during the marketing meetings, others not getting a word in. I'd be delighted if nonmarketing Sugar Labs team members lurked or participated, although I have clear ideas about how to work on marketing puzzles I'll never claim to have all

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-base-0.85.5

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-base/sugar-base-0.85.5.tar.bz2 == News == * ObjectChooser displays USB media files, but fails to access file (datastore traceback) #1241 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-toolkit-0.85.7

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit/sugar-toolkit-0.85.7.tar.bz2 == News == * Palette isn't being closed after activating some kinds of subwidgets #1301 * Palette will fail to open if you have just 'scrubbed' over some number of icons quickly #1312

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-0.85.6

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.85.6.tar.bz2 == News == * Journal list view: jumping back to first page when popping up a palette #1235 * Do not requery if visibility wasn't changed #1250 * alt key gets stuck in favorites view #1311 * Hidden

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi all. I like blueberry, in spanish we can call it 'mora'. i like mora's juice ;). Rafael Ortiz On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Martin in fact I often worry about talking too much during the marketing meetings, others not getting a word in.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] ColorButton

2009-09-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Sep 2009, at 12:01, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:54:48PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, currently the ColorButton is not fully clear in it's behavior (see http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/388). Click outside the palette to close it etc. Benjamin suggested to have

Re: [Sugar-devel] Pippy: save as example function

2009-09-10 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Brian, Just wanted to ping regarding Pippy (Sucrose release cycles an all). I'd like to try and patch the UI to be resolution independent, take out some of those magic numbers ;-) apparently this is causing some issues for non XO resolution users. If I make a gitorious rep clone and

[Sugar-devel] client side windows in gtk

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, just a heads up that we may find some issues with newer versions of gtk. http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.17/gtk-migrating-ClientSideWindows.html Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the

[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Road to Sucrose 0.86

2009-09-10 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, in today's developers meeting we made a plan on how to make Sucrose 0.86 a good and solid release. And of course we need YOU to make it a success. Here are the items with their champions and where we need help: a) Get the tarballs of the 0.85.6 release out tonight [erikos, tomeu] b) Make

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-presence-service 0.85.2

2009-09-10 Thread Simon Schampijer
=Source= http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-presence-service/sugar-presence-service-0.85.2.tar.bz2 =News= Deal with unicode nick names (erikos) #889 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-artwork-0.85.3

2009-09-10 Thread Simon Schampijer
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.85.3.tar.bz2 == News == * Wrong focus border in list view's title column #1261 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

2009-09-10 Thread Andrés Nacelle
Hi guys, basically I'm trying to do a SoaS or a live CD with the image we are using now on the XO, which has our own selection of activities and packages. The thing is that I've been looking in the Sugarlab web page unsuccessfully. Till now all I have is the .img to put in the nand in the XO, buy

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] ColorButton

2009-09-10 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Should the toolbar icon for the colors palette have a down arrow like with the other toolbar button icons? After all, it doesn't execute a primary action of its pallete when clicking, instead it reveals its palette. Eduardo 2009/9/10 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: On 10 Sep 2009, at 12:01,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] ColorButton

2009-09-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Sep 2009, at 00:30, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: Should the toolbar icon for the colors palette have a down arrow like with the other toolbar button icons? After all, it doesn't execute a primary action of its pallete when clicking, instead it reveals its palette. No, down arrows indicate

Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] Answering teacher and other users questions on Launchpad

2009-09-10 Thread Bastien
Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com writes: If you'd like to answer user questions please consider subscribing here. https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+answer-contact Done. I also added french as my favorite language for questions, I will redirect french people with questions to

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:43:31PM -0300, Andrés Nacelle wrote: Hi guys, basically I'm trying to do a SoaS or a live CD with the image we are using now on the XO, which has our own selection of activities and packages. You want to take an XO-1's filesystem from its NAND and make it bootable on

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:01:47AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:43:31PM -0300, Andrés Nacelle wrote: Hi guys, basically I'm trying to do a SoaS or a live CD with the image we are using now on the XO, which has our own selection of activities and packages. You

[Sugar-devel] [GPA] communications and tomorrow

2009-09-10 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: For the teachers, I am trying out Launchpad as our place to communicate between teachers and community. I don't want to over load them with either all of our discusisons, IAEP or Sugar Devel. Its my theory that

[Sugar-devel] installing Surf on 0.82?

2009-09-10 Thread Bryan Berry
I am trying to install Surf on 0.82 http://dev.laptop.org/~bobbyp/surf/ I have to tried to install the dependencies as written in the notes: sudo yum install pywebkitgtk WebKit-gtk gnome-python2-gconf i have enabled the repos for: fedora-updates-newkey.repo fedora-updates.repo fedora.repo