Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Various / PDF resources in Moodle

2009-12-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: (A) PDFs uploaded to Moodle folders always open in the Rainbow-Daemon dialogue when you left click on the links. If you go to hyperlinks on HTML pages either in my local public folders or out on the net, a PDF

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-12-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
-- the patches haven't changed but the r? might draw some attention. My old post below is still very relevant, and my notes after it, plus a request for help. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:  I have 4 patches that fix this up so that we DTRT

Re: [Sugar-devel] Accessibility - control panel

2009-12-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Esteban Arias ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: In Uruguay, we have section of control panel: Accessibility. This item configurate keyboard accessibility options: mouse keys, bounce keys and sticky keys. We develop this on sugar 0.82 and now we begin to update

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugarclic . programa para ver clics en OLPC en version alpha

2009-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
la actividad permitira descargar contenidos clic directamente y poco a poco iremos incorporando más funcionalidades. Entre otras espero que se puedan cargar los clics en el XS (OLPC Server) que gestiona mi amigo Martin Langhoff, y que amablemente nos presté dos Laptops para realizar pruebas

Re: [Sugar-devel] Technique to extract all records from xapian DB?

2009-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I think it's worth trying, but not sure if worth merging and deploying. 0.82 didn't used directly the python xapian bindings, but some wrapper on top of it that tried to make easier the mapping between keys in the B-tree

Re: [Sugar-devel] Technique to extract all records from xapian DB?

2009-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: The mapping mentioned before is persisted in index/config inside the DS dir. Ah, it's not static? The number-field mapping It seems stable to me testing it. So the right way is to read that 'config', how do you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Technique to extract all records from xapian DB?

2009-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:48, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Yeah. It's a very complex beast that, after following the callstack

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices

2009-12-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. This is very

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-12-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: I've coded[1] initial implementation[2] for standalone 0install mode, w/o any support from shell. So, activity could bundle saccharin module to .xo and maybe 0install pure python library as well(otherwise system should

[Sugar-devel] Technique to extract all records from xapian DB?

2009-12-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
I am trying to add minimal support on 0.84 for the old 0.82 format in which JE metadata was saved on external disks. By minimal I mean read-only, fail-safe, and generally with small impact on the codebase. I sure don't want to reimplement the old DS code Is there a simple (and cheap) way to read

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-12-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On os34, if I Filed it as http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9657 - can't find anything on this topic on the SL trac; apparently

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issues with mesh network on XO 1.5

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com wrote: I did a little bit of testing on Mesh network today on XO 1.5. When trying to collaborate between 1.5 and 1.0, the way to make it work is: 1 - On the 1.5, use the 'create new network' option, which should appear in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issues with mesh network on XO 1.5

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Martin,   1 - On the 1.5, use the 'create new network' option, which should appear in the frame. I tried using this option, but I am sorry still the XO 1 was not able to detect XO 1.5. But yes, the laptop running

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issues with mesh network on XO 1.5

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: That is very interesting. CAn you get network-manager logs from the Soas machine? And from the XO? In fact, I think there are a few bugs in this workflow -- Mohit, can you file bugs with detailed information (what

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issues with mesh network on XO 1.5

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Grivan Thapar grivan.oz...@gmail.com wrote: and OLPC release 11 (Leonidas)  XO 1.5 That's not the build number. `cat /boot/olpc_build ` will give you the build number. This stuff is under heavy development, so if you are using an old build your bug reports are not

[Sugar-devel] TurtleArt - right version for OLPC builds?

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Walter, Sugaristas, What is the correct latest version of TA that works correctly on Sugar 0.84? I am seeing an issue -- discussed below -- when using TA-79 (as included in os48 of the OLPC builds for XO-1.5) but when I look at the TA changelog, I find that it states that TA-63 is the newest one

Re: [Sugar-devel] TurtleArt - right version for OLPC builds?

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: What is the issue with TA-80 (new Finnish translations) on os48? I don't recall the ticket? The issue I am finding -- with TA-79 -- is that files saved to the Journal seem to be in a different format. I expected gtar.

Re: [Sugar-devel] TurtleArt - right version for OLPC builds?

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: As of TA-66 (or there abouts) I added in support for old-style toolbars. Bravo! thanks. And thanks for updating ASLO too. As regards the file format, I got rid of gtar, but still open old-style files. I just save to

[Sugar-devel] Journal behaviour on ext disk: what is sl#1262 about?

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Aleksey, all, I am trying to improve some Journal behaviours re external disks, so trying to understand the logic. Looking at git, dsd recently backported the fix for sl#1262 to 0.84. What is it supposed to do? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal behaviour on ext disk: what is sl#1262 about?

2009-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: Sugar doesn't full support external disks(e.g. writing) Well, 0.82 mostly did :-) Anyway, I have a few patches for that I am working on right now. , so after #1262 patch applied, 0.86 doesn't try to write metadata(like

Re: [Sugar-devel] adding 3G devices support to sugar

2009-12-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Martin Abente mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote: I have successfully extended jarabe/model/network.py, so we can load-in a gsm connection, tested it with my app (gsmbridge) and it works, tomorow ill clean up the code, add the control panel and the device icon

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Activity as a regular Journal Object request for inclusion to 0.88

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: When deleting an object from the Journal that is an activity bundle, we ought to display an alert with a scary icon.  The alert should clearly state that Journal entries will no longer be able to be opened until the

Re: [Sugar-devel] some efforts that would be really useful for deployments

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta sayami...@gmail.com wrote: Gconf is too brittle for this. Actually we are already using GConf for somewhat similar stuff. For example, by default Sugar provides a log-out button which is disabled via setting the right GConf key in the XO

[Sugar-devel] libabiword with Nepaly bugs fixed?

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Daniel, cannot locate any libabiword-2.6.5-3 -- Did it ever happen? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: upgrade to abiword-2.6.5-2.olpc3 (built ages ago but never shipped by OLPC) to fix problems with scripts such as nepali and arabic (there are still a

Re: [Sugar-devel] libabiword with Nepaly bugs fixed?

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 16:10 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: Hi Daniel, cannot locate any libabiword-2.6.5-3 -- Did it ever happen? yes, it's in koji Found - thanks. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] some efforts that would be really useful for deployments

2009-11-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta sayami...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe using a GConf key would be easier here ? Let's make that kind of stuff a conffile. When you spin a custom image for a deployment, you are either running a bit of shell from a 'kickstart' file or an init script

Re: [Sugar-devel] some efforts that would be really useful for deployments

2009-11-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: Customizing browse homepage The procedure to do this is too complicated for most deployments, and is undocumented. ... Customizing which activities are in the favourites view by default One thing I am hoping for is to

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSM/CDMA Modems support (part II)

2009-11-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Martin Abente mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote: As I mentioned in my last email to de...@lists.laptop.org, there is a real need for a GSM/CDMA usb modem support in our region since thats the most common/available service in rural locations. Hola Martin,

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0depend feature request

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: I've changed this feature a bit, so now its a Zero Install integration[4] Good to see progress on this. Much appreciated. Some questions... - Why is the depcheck happening at first start time? Install time seems be more

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: We do have an internal format - the ._metadata.json format outlined for the JEBs themselves. Sugar 0.82 writes that out in the internal 'datastore' storage. We can reuse it here. Ok - so last Friday Bert Desmet

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO 1.5 with USB webcam

2009-11-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Andrés Nacelle anace...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: webcam eurocase EUCC760, lsusb gives: ID 0c45:612a Microdia PC Camera (SN9C325) Is the webcam UVC? Is it known to work under other recent linuxes, specially recent Fedoras? If so, with which driver? On the XO,

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:33 AM, K. K. Subramaniam subb...@gmail.com wrote: Keeping meta-data in the same directory (folder) is the way to go. Of course, the meta-data has to be a hidden file. Of course - why? FWIW, www.freedesktop.org contains a bunch of  standards (really conventions) for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Right now just using the json module in python 2.6 may be best as the parser is a C module (AFAIR). Is because of a bug in cjson why those files aren't being parsed? Re-reading this -- and given that yes, it's a bug in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: It would be worth a quick look at fixing cjson yourself. I am cheeky but I am not a C hacker. Looking around yesterday, I have not found a way to report bugs against cjson. The project homepage is the page of the company where

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: For past stable releases, deployers are the ones who should know best. If you are talking about 0.82, then we should go back to use simplejson. I am not seeing the prob on 0.82, only on 0.84.5 -- I think the patch was

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO problems with 32 characters SSID [laptop.org #9652]

2009-11-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com wrote: Gabriela reports is solved using os8 (F11 for XO-1). That's excellent news! m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO problems with 32 characters SSID

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Gabriela Corrales gcorra...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: When we configure an AP with a 32 characters SSID, the XO can connect, and I can do ping to internet, but when we open the browser it cannot finish loading the application and the XO freeze so that you hace

[Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On os34, if I 1 - create a new Journal entry (named F11-100) with some content (and exit activity) 2 - plug in a USB stick 3 - copy the Journal entry to the USB stick via drag-n-drop in the Journal... 4 - exploring the USB disk shows a F11-100.gtar file with _no_ metadata, and the metadata seems

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On os34, if I Filed it as http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9657 - can't find anything on this topic on the SL trac; apparently the usage on SoaS has seen other bugs when saving to a USB stick (like http

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Filed it as http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9657 - can't find anything on And also related: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9658 about the impossibility of exchanging data between Sugar versions 0.82 and 0.84

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: inclydiung usb if that was desired Maybe your usb disk has a firmware smart enough to run telepathy :-) Not kidding, at least one of the bugs listed in SL's tracker about Journal Entry sharing would be fixed with the

[Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
This commit http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/commits/ee4535c98ae74347e7072909d49dcf8a5e16ca7b breaks importing Journal Entry Bundles, and I think it's just the tip of the iceberg. The commit msg is pretty factual but doesn't add much to what the diff says. There must have

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: IMHO separating the meta-data from the file itself is a good idea. Having one database at the root of the stick is just too fragile. Better store meta data next to the file in question, like myimage.jpg and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Is because of a bug in cjson why those files aren't being parsed? CJSON is not a vanilla parser. It makes a very strict reading, that - throws an exception on unordered keys - throws an exception on random whitespace

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: If I read correctly, you are implying that the cjson module reads Actually, scratch my prev reply. You are meaning that cjson is not bitfrost.util.cjson, and I had missed that subtlety in the code and in your reply. Then

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Then maybe yes, I am seeing a bug in cjson that parses 'foo\/bar' incorrectly. Confirmed. In a python session: json.loads('foo\/bar') u'foo/bar'== correct cjson.decode('foo\/bar') 'foo\\/bar' == incorrect

Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks

2009-11-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:16 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: and storing images in Base64 for example? Ugh! Why - for ASCII art enjoyment? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)

2009-11-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Besides being able to save pages for offline use, this patch will also Question on this track (perhaps OT)... do the HTML5 specs have something in this regard? IIRC (from an in-depth reading done 3 months ago) the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)

2009-11-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I've actually implemented the full-blown web app part (it's called Site Specific Browser) for Browse as part of GSoC. Great! So it should be easy to store for offline small bits of static content? Is there any UI

[Sugar-devel] Big binaries via dbus logged in shell.log?

2009-11-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sugar 0.84.2 (as seen on the OLPC F11 builds)... is it normal to see big chunks of binary data passed around via dbus... and logged in shell.log? - Is it normal / by design that big data is passed this way? - If yes, then maybe a good idea to switch off the verbose logging before shipping?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Big binaries via dbus logged in shell.log?

2009-11-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sugar 0.84.2 (as seen on the OLPC F11 builds)... is it normal to see big chunks of binary data passed around via dbus... and logged in shell.log? Scrap that. The stuff I am seeing is the data related

[Sugar-devel] In gconf-based Sugar, how do I read config values (nickname, etc)...

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
from bash / commandline scripts that may not be executing in the user session. For example - olpc-netstatus may be invoked from a VT running as root - ds-backup scripts are invoked from from cron m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask

Re: [Sugar-devel] In gconf-based Sugar, how do I read config values (nickname, etc)...

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: If it's only for reading, I think the following should work: gconftool-2 --direct --config-source=xml:readwrite:$HOME/.gconf -g key Excellent - thanks! m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We can set a new baseline for Sugar, but the behavior you are describing is largely one determined by the activities themselves. I understood it was a limitation in Telepathy itself, or in how Sugar uses it (hence the

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Other activities that support some form of collaboration like Chat, Browse, Etoys, TurtleArt, Arithmetic, Maze, Pippy, etc, etc, don't care who started the activity first, or who goes away. Are you positive about this? I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] replace Keep and Stop accelerators

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta sayami...@gmail.com wrote: Committed. Sayamindu, can we get this included in our builds? On os34 I've just hand-applied this patch on my Terminal so that emacs is usable... m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School

[Sugar-devel] Terminal.xo patch: do not die if the cwd is gone

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
Attached is a trivial patch that handles gracefully the situation where cwd does not exist anymore or is no longer accessible to the olpc user. Without it, - mount a usb disk - open Terminal.xo, change directory to /media/my-usb-disk/ - close Terminal.xo - unmount / remove usb disk - try to

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-2 canceled, replaced by XO-1.75 and XO-3.0

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
Well, at least that gets the journalists off our backs and chasing a wild goose, so we can focus on getting XO-1.5 (and in my case XS 0.7 work) done... :-) cheers, m On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: The ever entertaining Prof. Negroponte

Re: [Sugar-devel] Terminal.xo patch: do not die if the cwd is gone

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:08 PM, paul fox p...@laptop.org wrote: frankly, i think the whole state-saving notion in Terminal (and other terminal emulators i've seen) is flawed, and a bad idea, for I agree. The patch above is merely an attempt at fixing a OMG! Can't use my Terminal! moment. Happy

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard

2009-10-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: from the terminal, it will reset the keyboard without having to restart Sugar. However, I do not know how to trigger this automatically. udev gets the event, but the keyboard map is per session. Not sure if it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: I know I myself hacked the image-builder script into this direction, but in hindsight I feel that it got too hacky and that was the wrong approach. It presented various surprises along the way and at the very end left me with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Zero Install appears to have identified reasonable compromises for many of these trade-offs. While I'm not yet claiming that z-i would be a (Keeping it in the Sugar side... ) I think it's a very good idea to look into

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Honestly? I think the most interesting feature of Zero Install is that it has an active development community working to solve the same hard problems that we are facing with our XO bundles. Ok - that's good. I am

Re: [Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Wonder how we could make it easier for other deployments to benefit from these changes. For the F9 series (8.2.1) my current plan is to work to polish the imagecreator scripts so that it is easier for deployents to -

[Sugar-devel] Quick notes from a lazy smoketest of os30

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
Got my 1.5-B2 prototype in the mail last week. (Yay! Toys!) I used it a bit over the week (it is nice and fast), and then yesterday I had a bit of downtime, so I updated it to cjb's os30. Overall, lots of things work (wohoo!). Also, lots of things don't work, to a puzzling extent: the F11-based

Re: [Sugar-devel] Quick notes from a lazy smoketest of os30

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: That's strange. Is it just the 2 issues you listed (pippy, recording sound) or are there more? That's all, but it's 2 of 4 activities explored :-/ - I didn't get much time. I plan to go through a full smoketest later. Bugs

Re: [Sugar-devel] Quick notes from a lazy smoketest of os30

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: Just wondering: Is sound (csound) working in any of the activities? TamTamMini works a charm :-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't

Re: [Sugar-devel] Xoos Special Interest Group

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:50 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: As promised, we have started work on the XO operating system SIG at Sugar Labs.  The SIG pages are at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Xoos . Cool! Who is active around this SIG? (David, it's a bit hard to tell if you are

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks

2009-09-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Thanks Martin, Does that give us any hint about whats happening? How is that PRAM/PROM normally set?  Maybe we need to go change the default somewhere? Well, I don't know what procedure you are following. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Problems seem to be a good bet! What the golly gosh jimminy crippers is going on?!? Why does it work once and not again? What is linux doing that is keeping MacOSX from booting even after all the linux medium is

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:10 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: By branching at the 0.82 point as deployed, determining from evidence Good theoretical re-statement. You post may clarify things for other readers -- as for me, I know very well what I am requesting. And I do respect that it

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I can't find any evidence that this logic has been retained ... looked in git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar/mainline.git and git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-datastore/mainline.git Well, this sounds promising-- but I am

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I agree that an activity for repairing or recovering the DS would be quite beneficial, we'd need to add an exception for Rainbow though. So Rainbow would prevent a regular activity from reading .sugar? I am not familiar

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: And just a question on Ivan's try/except patch that is so effective in 0.82 in allowing a child to continue using the system with a fresh journal ... would it be true to say that this also hides the cause of the failure to

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
Welcome new maintainer! I am currently doing a bit of work with LatAm deployments, so I do have some notes related to DS. You may be aware of these issues, of course. - Dataloss on startup. We are hearing of some issues in the field with dataloss -- not real dataloss but if there is anything DS

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: FWIW, your three major points were fixed way back by Tomeu's 0.84 data-store re-write to make for robustness. Actually I'm fairly sure it was these kind'a reports that prompted Tomeu to make that fine effort. Prior to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: Personally i would just get on with it and let the code do the talking... Produce the best distribution that you can and people will use, respect and protect it. +1. Sebastian -- you have unending respect from both

Re: [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Short Term Action Items: * We create a SoaS mailing list. * We establish the SoaS development team. if you split off sugar-dev, to reach the involved people you either have to crosspost all the time, or get everyone

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Douglas McClendon dmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: Basically if these tests are against installed systems, I really don't have anything useful to add.  But if this involves LiveOS style boot with overlay, then I still don't have much to add other than I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I was thinking that different lot/filesytem combinations would gracefully degrade at consistent predictable rates.  Instead, I got a rather unexpected result.  Rapid failure of a lot/filesystem combination. Did you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Douglas McClendondmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: My name is Douglas McClendon, and I created the ZyX-LiveInstaller which appears  on track to becoming part of SoaS.  I also can accept praise and blame for the LiveUSB persistence feature I implemented

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] splitting large xol

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: 63mb should be fine. Of course, it will eat 63mb on every XO that it Perhaps someone's hit issues when uncompressing it -- perhaps on an older build? I'd recommend making the large bundle and testing that it unpacks without

Re: [Sugar-devel] DB module for moodle in XS server serously coool and needed addittion

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:56 AM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: To create a easy reference for linux commands, the best way was to use the Moodle database module. You can create quite elaborate databases which are then easily edited and added to by users.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Jabber Testing Monday Aug 24

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Caroline, sorry about the delay -- catching up on XS things now -- enormous thanks for the report. So controlling for Gadget and reg'd numbers, it seems that the ejabberd version (or perhaps other XS compoment) version makes a difference. The ejabberd upgrade was very significant, and the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Candidate paper cut bugs for a new 8.2.x release?

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/8/30 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: I do not know what was the conclusion about this _completely hypothetical_ case but does fixing the Geode VGA driver match the paper cut criteria? Rough criteria: - Does it affect our primary users? (kids in deployment schools) - Do we have a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] experimenting w/ canvas, drawImage draws a distorted pic

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I think canvas pixels are different from css pixels. In canvas you get the pixels of the internal rendering engine and with css you get the device-modified pixels. Our pixels are rather special. If you are using

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On olpc-sur we're seeing reports of my journal contents disappeared after reboot. (Thread starts at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004177.html ) So, we have a couple of users who could send

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: #1157 HIGH: Show which jabber server to which you are connected

2009-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: On second thought, we don't really need to split it: we might as well rename it to sugar-utils and genericize it so it behaves nicely when not running on the XO. +1. Also +1 on a UI display of this kind of info. m

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/8/21 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Yes, though if we manage to get the logs dir of a machine just after the DS was lost, there's lots of chances we are going to be able to The ones on the ramdisk? :-( m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect -

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/8/21 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Should be kept in a subdir in there, from: Damn! I wish I had known about this! So 3 old dirs are kept - excellent. But anyway, the failure to read the DS would be in the first boot where the journal appears empty, not in the boot where the DS index

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/8/19 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu:  - Automatic assessment is snake oil, Bryan is well intentioned but deeply wrong. See the earlier email at http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05584.html Or you are wrong. I may well be wrong, but to explore that you will

[Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On olpc-sur we're seeing reports of my journal contents disappeared after reboot. (Thread starts at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004177.html ) This reminds me a lot of the issues we saw earlier in development of what became 8.2.x -- if for any reason Sugar doesn't like

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: How do you envision the UI of the tool that will recover the JEBs? We don't need many words there :-) all we need is - A listing of Journals available (by date - the numbers after 'datastore' are epoch seconds IIRC) - if

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:40 AM, James Cameronqu...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 06:56:17PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On olpc-sur we're seeing reports of my journal contents disappeared after reboot. (Thread starts at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Andrés Ambroisandresambr...@gmail.com wrote: I'll help in any way I can. Would an upload webservice similar to Sacha's for uploading the necessary datastore bits help? We can then distribute a simple cli tool that uploads the data. Thanks! If Uy was using

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fix Sound activity

2009-08-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The OS images being deployed in Paraguay and Nepal already have this bug fixed, and it is also fixed in the F11-for-XO1 builds that will hopefully reach deployment readiness in the not too distant future. So this is

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: The approach I'm advocating here is that nobody is encouraged to mess with DPI (and Sugar does not touch this). Instead, Sugar ships a I agree with dsd that users should not be able to 'tweak' DPI, but I am also concerned that

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Feel free to suggest another option that can be implemented today. If there was any good option, Jim Gettys and the various X.org AMD people would have hit us with a cluebat by now I guess. I feel that my proposal is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/7/29 Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com: As previously mentioned by Bryan in his Automated Assessment is the Killer App blog post (http://karmaproject.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/assessment-is-the-killer-app/) student assessment is an important component of Karma. ... Now I

Re: [Sugar-devel] moving Shutdown above Control Panel

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Indeed, this menu is difficult for new users at lesat, who often have trouble moving the mouse cursor into the menu box itself (as it starts in the top left of it) and then maintaining the mouse inside the menu box while they

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