Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-11 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Sat Dec 11 05:05:07 +0100 2010: (and perhaps we could add a 'send a notification' submenu to the friends icons on the Frame as well). I'm still thinking on that one... Chat type notifications from friends would seem like the ideal case for a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-11 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Anish Mangal's message of Wed Nov 17 15:02:56 +0100 2010: * On top of ui changes, would it also make sense to play some 'notification' sounds as well? The HIG doesn't say anything about sounds AFAIK That would be useful in some cases, but we need to be careful. We don't want a)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-11 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Sat Dec 11 05:05:07 +0100 2010: (and perhaps we could add a 'send a notification' submenu to the friends icons on the Frame as well). I'm still thinking on that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-11 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Sascha, On 11 Dec 2010, at 09:40, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Sat Dec 11 05:05:07 +0100 2010: (and perhaps we could add a 'send a notification' submenu to the friends icons on the Frame as well). I'm still thinking on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-11 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Sascha, On 11 Dec 2010, at 09:40, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Sat Dec 11 05:05:07 +0100 2010: (and perhaps we could add a 'send a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-10 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Martin, On 8 Dec 2010, at 05:11, Martin Abente wrote: The design looks great, and I like the fact that it attaches each notification to its real context when there is a visible one (i,e an activity, journal, battery device icon, etc). How would it work with notifications that are not

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-10 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Walter, On 7 Dec 2010, at 10:40, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 23 Nov 2010, at 17:23, Martin Abente wrote: Awesome, let me know whenever you got something to share :) Just wanted to pass on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-10 Thread Frederick Grose
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Martin, On 8 Dec 2010, at 05:11, Martin Abente wrote: The design looks great, and I like the fact that it attaches each notification to its real context when there is a visible one (i,e an activity, journal,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-10 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Frederick, On 11 Dec 2010, at 04:24, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 8 Dec 2010, at 05:11, Martin Abente wrote: The design looks great, and I like the fact that it attaches each

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-07 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 23 Nov 2010, at 17:23, Martin Abente wrote: Awesome, let me know whenever you got something to share :) Just wanted to pass on the wiki page I've been working on. I'd like to generate more example

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-07 Thread Anish Mangal
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 23 Nov 2010, at 17:23, Martin Abente wrote: Awesome, let me know whenever you got something to share :) Just wanted to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I like both approaches, actually. The first, with the badges, closely associates the notification with its context and the corner history let's you get an overview. I like the first approach, for the same reasons as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-07 Thread Martin Abente
The design looks great, and I like the fact that it attaches each notification to its real context when there is a visible one (i,e an activity, journal, battery device icon, etc). How would it work with notifications that are not related to an activity or with a visible context? Possible use

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-12-06 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Martin, On 23 Nov 2010, at 17:23, Martin Abente wrote: Awesome, let me know whenever you got something to share :) Just wanted to pass on the wiki page I've been working on. I'd like to generate more example mockups covering the devices frame edge (easy), and the buddy frame edge (more

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-23 Thread Martin Abente
Awesome, let me know whenever you got something to share :) On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Gary C Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Martin, Just wanted to give you a heads up that I have a slightly different design coming together for notifications. After further, more detailed,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-22 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Martin, Just wanted to give you a heads up that I have a slightly different design coming together for notifications. After further, more detailed, work the frame corner notification history palette idea is not coming together so well. I've switched to mockups that actually badge the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:10:23PM -0600, David Farning wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: * Why the user should start an activity to know what is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 02:44:16PM -0200, Daniel Castelo wrote: Maybe we could group all the notifications that are repeated. Journal is Full... (X 3) Other Warning.. Other Warning (X2). Definitely. Could be useful show the date of the problem in the case of historical warnings. sort of

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Abente
Hello again, (At this point I guess I have like 3 threads about this topic, so I better stick to one, Sorry if there was any confusion) Any ways, last night Gary and I had a very productive chat about the Look and Feel of this feature. In my first proposal [1], the notification icons (w/

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, [snip] So far, I think this is the best idea we got :), but I guess it is important to have the approval of other members, So please everyone take a look at [3] and give us some feedback before

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Abente
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, [snip] So far, I think this is the best idea we got :), but I guess it is important to have the approval of

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Anish Mangal
* On top of ui changes, would it also make sense to play some 'notification' sounds as well? The HIG doesn't say anything about sounds AFAIK * Or flashing an icon or doing 'something' with the UI exactly when the notification occurs. * Also, what about conditionally (based on importance,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Daniel Castelo
Maybe we could group all the notifications that are repeated. Journal is Full... (X 3) Other Warning.. Other Warning (X2). Could be useful show the date of the problem in the case of historical warnings. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote: * On top

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: * Why the user should start an activity to know what is happening? Why/when does the user want to know what's happening? Users are busy doing something interesting... We should interrupt/hassle the user never.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Abente
Just to clarify, this feature is not intended to replace the log. (apparently some people got the wrong idea) It is needed in many scenarios, as a general mechanism to communicate important events to the user, that until now (and already) we have been re-inventing the wheel every time we wanted

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread David Farning
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: * Why the user should start an activity to know what is happening? Why/when does the user want to know what's happening? Users

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: This patch has a place in Dextrose.  Dextrose is looking at the question, How can we provide support staff the necessary information to effectively fix and/or report problems to a higher level of service and support?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Abente
Change the want for need and we have: When there is something they _need_ to know And that is exactly the same reason why we are already using the Icon notifications and the same reason why we are already using Alert widgets all over sugar (outside activities), and there are still more cases

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-17 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Martin, On 17 Nov 2010, at 19:17, Martin Abente wrote: Change the want for need and we have: When there is something they _need_ to know And that is exactly the same reason why we are already using the Icon notifications and the same reason why we are already using Alert widgets

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-06 Thread Martin Abente
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 06:02:28PM -0300, Martin Abente wrote: Hello amigos, Recently I encountered many situations where a system-wide notification-messages system is required as a basis for many bug fixes or

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 03:07:29AM -0300, Martin Abente wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 06:02:28PM -0300, Martin Abente wrote: Hello amigos, Recently I encountered many situations where a system-wide

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-05 Thread Martin Abente
Hello amigos, Recently I encountered many situations where a system-wide notification-messages system is required as a basis for many bug fixes or enhancements. I am not talking about the messages that are related to an specific activity or its context, in many of those cases the current alert

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification

2010-11-05 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 06:02:28PM -0300, Martin Abente wrote: Hello amigos, Recently I encountered many situations where a system-wide notification-messages system is required as a basis for many bug fixes or enhancements. [...] Currently, Sugar does not have a mechanism to communicate to