Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > I have interviewed Mr. Stallman several times in the past and will > brief him on the current situation. I don't know if he wrote the > actual copy in question. It may be more effective to talk with Mako Hill. He is well known by Sugaristas/OLPC'

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-31 Thread Sean DALY
Sugar Labs suffers from OLPC's lack of interest in press communications and in combating misperceptions (in particular the wholly inaccurate meme that XO-1s are delivered with Windows). Although we manage to get mostly positive coverage for Sugar, it's two steps forward, one step back when OLPC doe

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-30 Thread Edward Cherlin
I am in personal contact with Stallman (rms) on this. Who else here knows him? We have met several times at computing events, and discussed other questions in e-mail. I was a factor in his choice of the XO as his main computer, which unfortunately lasted only a short time, because he was unaware th

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-29 Thread Bastien
Bill Kerr writes: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien wrote: > > After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really > appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. > > They will make an update - stay tuned. > > the picture i

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-29 Thread Walter Bender
I don't think anyone was suggesting that it is OK to smear OLPC. In fact, this thread was begun because a number of us are outraged at the smear campaign that is (presumably) largely a result of ignorance. That said, OLPC and Sugar Labs are not the same. OLPC makes hardware and currently distribut

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-29 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Bill Kerr wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien > wrote: >> >> After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really >> appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. >> >> They will make an update - stay tun

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Paul Fox
bill wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien wrote: > > > After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really > > appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. i'm confused. it's okay to smear olpc, but not sugar?? > > > > They wil

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bill Kerr
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien wrote: > After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really > appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. > > They will make an update - stay tuned. the picture is gone but the words are still there: >

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thanks! We'd still love for them to come by GPA just for the sheer joy of seeing an entire room of old windows machines shinning with Open Source software. Caroline On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Bastien wrote: > After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really > appropr

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bastien
After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. They will make an update - stay tuned. Thanks! -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 15:35, Walter Bender wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Caroline Meeks > wrote: >> Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and >> show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software.  Perhaps >> seeing it for himself wil

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and > show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software.  Perhaps > seeing it for himself will > help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software. Perhaps seeing it for himself will help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for their education. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02 A

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerr wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg >> wrote: >>> >>> On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: >>> >>> > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender >>> > wrote: >>> >> === S

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerr wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg > wrote: >> >> On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: >> >> > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender >> > wrote: >> >> === Sugar Digest === >> >> 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bill Kerr
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: > > > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender > > wrote: > >> === Sugar Digest === > >> 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in > >> education (See http://windows7sin

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Luke Faraone
On 28/ago/2009, at 11.48, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind > zealousness. Worse than that, it's complete FUD. This is something you'd expect from MSFT, but not the FSF. The number of XOs shipped with Windows is still 0. -lf _

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> === Sugar Digest === >> 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in >> education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity >> with Microsoft. It is disappoint