Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Peter, On 28 Dec 2010, at 21:17, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I just thought I would give people a heads up for changes that I'm aware of that are going to be appearing in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5. The big one will be gnome3/gtk3 plus the associated changes that will

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: This is the monstrous gaping maw of doom, from my perspective. Just about every Activity and much of the Sugar UI will break. AIUI, from discussions with Simon and Tomeu that's not the case. Gnome people are not

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 09:27 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: AIUI, from discussions with Simon and Tomeu that's not the case. Gnome people are not that insane, the old APIs will still work and be supported. They won't be the latest coolest API wiz-bang so support may be weaker, and/or we may

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 09:27 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: AIUI, from discussions with Simon and Tomeu that's not the case. Gnome people are not that insane, the old APIs will still work and be supported. They won't

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 09:27 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: AIUI, from discussions with Simon and Tomeu that's not the case. Gnome people

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Peter Robinson's message of Thu Dec 30 21:10:32 +0100 2010: So are we saying that we don't want sugar on a stick for the F-15 release cycle and are happy to have it dropped from the Fedora Spins and someone else is prepared do the work to get it back to that status? Or do people

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that is what people are saying. I think they are saying that we need not resolve all of our potential GNOME 3.0 issues immediately as the 2.0 libraries will still be present. Is that not the case? Yep.

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 20:10 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 09:27 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: AIUI, from discussions with Simon and Tomeu that's not the case. Gnome people are not that insane,

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 09:27 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 20:10 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 09:27 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: AIUI, from discussions

Re: [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 20:51 +, Peter Robinson wrote: Is Fedora already dropping all the gnome2 libraries?? I can't believe this. Nope. But they're all compiled against gtk3 and things will be changed in pygtk / gobject-introspection as mentioned which will likely affect sugar. Where

[Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5

2010-12-28 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, I just thought I would give people a heads up for changes that I'm aware of that are going to be appearing in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5. The big one will be gnome3/gtk3 plus the associated changes that will come with the required pygtk / gobject-introspection (Tomeu could you possibly fill out