Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

2009/3/18 Bryan Berry : > Felipe, > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true > This is an interesting thread. One thing the AbiWord team is looking to do with this years GSoC is to develop a DOM -style interface to AbiWidget that can reuse Javascript code. If we succeed all those javas

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

titanium is very relevant. It is what I had in mind. Hopefully it is what we can use, or parts of it, for the datastore integration and dbus calls. On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:15 -0400, Brian Jordan wrote: > Not sure if this is relevant: http://titaniumapp.com/ > > Copypaste: > > Titanium is the f

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

I have spent time playing w/ opencroquet but not seaside. They are both great projects but are very academically focused (sorry bertf!) and have tiny communities. I think a GSoC project focusing on creating an AJAX sugar app is a great way to go forward. Getting it to work w/ a popular IDE is a se

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

croquet and seaside do great, powerful stuff. the thing is, much more than powerful activities we need developers to be able to quickly make simple activities. Kids don't need 3d VR for learning. Simple multimedia activities for grammar, basic math, geography, health, etc. w/ a very low barrier f

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

Not sure if this is relevant: http://titaniumapp.com/ Copypaste: Titanium is the first open platform for building rich desktop applications. * Open source Titanium is licensed under the Apache Public License (version 2) * Open web Use standard HTML, CSS and Javascript to buil

[Sugar-devel] Another Linux in education

Here is another needed port of Sugar. http://itschool.gov.in/otherprograms.php#6 The Kerala IT Education Department believes that sharing is an important virtue. However, sharing proprietary software would be a violation of the End User. Building collaboration and sharing practices are essential

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

Questions like these are bread and butter for the SFC. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM, David Malcolm wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:00 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: >>> On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> > Simon S

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > SJ and I were wondering if it may make sense to try to unify [read] > activities in some way, Yes. It's called a browser. I'm confused. AIUI, you already created a mozplugin so libevince could run in Browse to address some of the pr

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild usage

Sorry, I misread Ed's email. I though he was having trouble getting jhbuild to run. Ed: Jhbuild comes with the latest Fructose activities, which as loading into: ~/sugar-jhbuild/install/share/sugar/activities It also looks in ~/Activities and I suppose it looks in /usr/share/sugar/activities as

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild usage

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > I got sugar-jhbuild to compile on Ubuntu for the first time, but I > don't understand how to use it properly. It has picked up all of the > packages I installed for the Ubuntu packaged version of Sugar, and I > don't know how to point it at

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild usage

You did a git clone followed by ./sugar-jhbuild update and ./sugar-jhbuild build and //sugar-jhbuild run ? -walter On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > I got sugar-jhbuild to compile on Ubuntu for the first time, but I > don't understand how to use it properly. It has picked

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

Hi. >I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much better >bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and >allows "View Source." If the intention is to use completely open source Bryan Berry is quite right. However, leaving aside a flash, it's a big decision, I would remi

[Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild usage

I got sugar-jhbuild to compile on Ubuntu for the first time, but I don't understand how to use it properly. It has picked up all of the packages I installed for the Ubuntu packaged version of Sugar, and I don't know how to point it at any other Activity bundles. The Wiki page doesn't explain these

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84.0 o n Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > The Sugar Platform is a set of versioned components on which activity > authors can rely when targeting their activities to run on a particular > Sugar version [1]. > > On Mag it lives in task-sugar meta-package [2] and includes: > - sugar-fru

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs in GSoC (Fwd: Congratulations!)

That's a great link, i didn't realize non-wwwers were so organized ;-) I'm a great champion of being concise, until confusion results. Unfortunately, many of our visitors will be less web-savvy than we are. Think of "www." as a synonym for "http://";, it makes for clearer communication and is eas

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM, David Malcolm wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:00 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: >> On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > Simon Schampijer wrote: >> >> Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship >> >> general licenses under

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:00 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Simon Schampijer wrote: > >> Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship > >> general licenses under /usr/share/common-licenses, I think. > > I really don't want

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

On 03/18/2009 03:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship >> general licenses under /usr/share/common-licenses, I think. I really don't want to do this. Here's why: A) Many copyright holders make minor modification

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs in GSoC (Fwd: Congratulations!)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > Great news! > > just a little detail, "http://sugarlabs.org"; is deprecated Some might disagree. :) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-de

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs in GSoC (Fwd: Congratulations!)

Great news! just a little detail, "http://sugarlabs.org"; is deprecated, we are communicating "www.sugarlabs.org" in marketing materials or "http://www.sugarlabs.org"; in webforms profiles etc. instead thanks Sean 2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn : > Sugar Labs has been accepted into Google Summer of

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs in GSoC (Fwd: Congratulations!)

Sugar Labs has been accepted into Google Summer of Code 2009. Yay! Now we have work to do. Remember: the more students apply to our program, the better our chances of getting more actual slots assigned, so both publicity and making a go

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

Simon Schampijer wrote: > Yes. So the main question is now if Fedora would be willing to ship > general licenses under /usr/share/common-licenses, I think. FWIW, I don't think it's legal to do that, licenses need to accompany the package. But in any case what really matters is whether RH Legal th

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

2009/3/18 Luke Faraone : > 2009/3/18 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri >> >> Clarify a few things for me : >> What exactly was required/meant from/by a print server? >> I was in the opinion that each laptop was supposed to act as server for >> the network :P > > It seems I misunderstood *you*. That makes sen

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

2009/3/18 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri > Clarify a few things for me : > What exactly was required/meant from/by a print server? > I was in the opinion that each laptop was supposed to act as server for the > network :P > It seems I misunderstood *you*. That makes sense, it just was that the way it wa

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:23:42PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > Kovid, > > Glad to know about your project, and work. We should definitely try to get > Calibre running on the XO. How far did we reach in that attempt? > > > Regards, > > Manu > Getting calibre to run on the XO should be tr

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

> Yeah. Looks like Mandriva has /usr/share/common-licenses and per > packages COPYING files. But the ones in /usr/share/common-licenses are > named differently then those in Debian (GPL-2 not GPLv2). Nothing that symlinks can't fix. :) If we pick one and make a reasonable argument, I don't t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84 .0 on Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 02:01:43PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:38:46AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:31:28AM +, Paulo Trezentos wrote: > > > Hi Aleksey and all, > > > > > > We have tested with success the new version of the packages. > > > I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84 .0 on Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

Hi Aleksey and all, We have tested with success the new version of the packages. In this moment, we are focused in get Sugar to work as a collaborative tool for the classroom. I believe this would turn Sugar in a "killer application" for Magallaen in Linux Caixa Mágica Mag and people would start

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for GSoC project

I'm going to link this thread from the ideas page, so I wanted to copy from the other thread: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: [Javascript+html5 dev tools] don't compare [with Flash] currently but they are developing rapidly, particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The grea

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

Croquet (squeak virtual worlds) or seaside (smalltalk web apps) would be fine projects, if croquet isn't too 3d-resource-hungry. But IMO they do not have the same high priority as work on AJAX. 2009/3/18 Frederick Grose > How about something in Croquet, > http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Mai

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

How about something in Croquet, http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page, or Seaside, http://www.seaside.st/, that would create a Sugar environment for the web, say Honeycomb? I, too, need to spend more time under those hoods or in those hoods. --Fred 2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn >

[Sugar-devel] graphical scaling decision?

Currently, there are only two graphical scales for Sugar: 72 (smaller elements) and 100 (larger elements). I guess that there is still enough bitmaps or hand-tuning that you can't just scale your whole gtk theme with impunity. The choice between these scales is made with $SUGAR_SCALING , which is s

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > >> Yeah. Looks like Mandriva has /usr/share/common-licenses and per >> packages COPYING files. But the ones in /usr/share/common-licenses are >> named differently then those in Debian (GPL-2 not GPLv2). > > Nothing that symlinks can't fix. :) > > If we pick one and m

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

Ah, that was the thing I had not understood with the extra credits that were given. I had thought that functionality had to be added to each desktop so it would act as a print server. sorry. Clarify a few things for me : What exactly was required/meant from/by a print server? I was in the opinion

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for gsoc 2009

Hey Divya, I guess your email fell through the cracks. Sorry about that. We would welcome you to apply for GSoC this year, assuming we get in. We'll know about that in about 4 hours. Meanwhile, you can look at our ideas list: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas Good luck, Ja

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84 .0 on Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 01:53:48PM +, Pedro Pessoa wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:38:46AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:31:28AM +, Paulo Trezentos wrote: > > > Hi Aleksey and all, > > > > > > We have tested with success the new version of the packages. > > >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about development kits/IDEs like aptana, than about desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator Titanium, Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and Curl). I think it would be a great project to take Titanium or Prism and make a gen

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

2009/3/18 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri > True enough, but I hadn't been talking about printing from activities > directly at all for the last half of the mails. :< > But for even CUPS to act as a server and accept incoming requests, it would > have to excercise freedom to one port atleast, but write a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

True enough, but I hadn't been talking about printing from activities directly at all for the last half of the mails. :< But for even CUPS to act as a server and accept incoming requests, it would have to excercise freedom to one port atleast, but write a bit of a code so that it accepts requests o

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Triaging Session, BugSquad @ Thu Mar 19 10am – 12pm (suga r-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org)

Frederick Grose wrote: > Details for the following event have changed: > > Title: Triaging Session, BugSquad > Time: Thu Mar 19 10am – 12pm (Timezone: Eastern Time) > Where: irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting > Calendar: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > Owner/Creator: fgr...@sugarlabs.org > > Descr

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84 .0 on Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:38:46AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:31:28AM +, Paulo Trezentos wrote: > > Hi Aleksey and all, > > > > We have tested with success the new version of the packages. > > In this moment, we are focused in get Sugar to work as a collaborative >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

Sayamindu, Bryan and SJ, Great. Thank you for pointing me to Calibre. It is indeed a great project. Has a great number of features. We don't need to start from scratch now. It would be great if Calibre could also support Mobipocket and OEB. Neat work. Did somebody try to port Calibre on Sugar?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri < vamsi.davul...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The link you gave didn't work, so I checked this page > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Bitfrost > I have gone through security models listed, umm ... was there anything > specific I was to look into? > >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

And are the implementations not prone to modification? As in we could specify a particular #print_port to bypass them? On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri < vamsi.davul...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The link you gave didn't work, so I checked this page > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/O

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

The link you gave didn't work, so I checked this page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Bitfrost I have gone through security models listed, umm ... was there anything specific I was to look into? On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: > 2009/3/18 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri > >> I'd gra

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Regarding the print support idea(GSoC)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri < > vamsi.davul...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We an even install rights for the bit advanced printing functionalites if >> needed. > > > In what case would they be warranted? > > -- > Luke F

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84 .0 on Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:59, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:31:28AM +, Paulo Trezentos wrote: >> Hi Aleksey and all, >> >> We have tested with success the new version of the packages. >> In this moment, we are focused in get Sugar to work as a collaborative >> tool for the c

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

Calibre is great. Kovid Goyal has expressed some interest in the past in seeing it on the XO; you could get direct input there. (Kovid, see below for current bookreader-related work, and Manu's ideas for an improved interface to one's collections of texts) SJ On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Br

[Sugar-devel] Template:Sucrose

I created a template in the wiki to store the version number of the latest Sucrose. You can use in pages that are intended to reference the current version. We may want to consider additional templates for distinguishing between stable and experimental. You can use it as follows (added to the top

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

that's a great idea Manu, I also like calibre. I highly recommend you talk w/ Pratham Books. They are a great organization and are putting out a lot of the READ India books as e-books under CC 3.0 . You should talk w/ Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org . He is a great guy here in Nepal, we reall

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

Hi Manu, On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > Sayamindu, > > I have been thinking on the lines of "itunes for e-books". You might want to > have a look at the attached functional specification document. > > I initially planned to use a closed format - LRF, which is used in So

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Morgan Collett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 00:16, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> [Summarizing and cleaning up the cruft of the older discussions] >> >> Hello all, >> Currently, we have a number of ways to read ebooks (which includes a >> variety of formats, sta

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84 .0 on Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:31:28AM +, Paulo Trezentos wrote: > Hi Aleksey and all, > > We have tested with success the new version of the packages. > In this moment, we are focused in get Sugar to work as a collaborative > tool for the classroom. > I believe this would turn Sugar in a "killer

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for GSoC project

I think Mozilla would also be interested in supporting better drawing tools, their lead javascript evangelist, John Resig, is making a # of presentations on using javascript for drawing http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1842749445/bctid182820 -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

They don't compare currently but they are developing rapidly, particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good job of sponsoring open-source development. Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing fo

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for GSoC project

my pleasure! I think it is really key that there be a framework for developers to create learning activities that run on any modern browser but run better and do more interesting things when part of Sugar. On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:55 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:24, B

Re: [Sugar-devel] Full Licence field

Bernie Innocenti wrote: > [cc += fedora-de...@] Sorry to reply late on this. > Benj. Mako Hill wrote: >> >>> we did show a full license in the Control Panel before. The path was >>> hard coded to where OLPC had placed the GPL license. What can we do to >>> meet the expectations of all the di

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for GSoC project

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:24, Bryan Berry wrote: > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for integrating flash > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much better > bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and > allows "View Source." Also, t

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

2009/3/18 Bryan Berry : > Felipe, > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia flash. > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash. > > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for GSoC project

Hehe, the mentioned activity spreads the myth that elephants cannot swim. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpD40ewOyC4 Bryan Berry wrote: > The GSoC mentee could recreate one of OLE Nepal's existing flash > activity with javascript + html5. You can access some of our flash > activities here: >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Making Read read everything [WAS: Re: FBReader]

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 00:16, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > [Summarizing and cleaning up the cruft of the older discussions] > > Hello all, > Currently, we have a number of ways to read ebooks (which includes a > variety of formats, starting from plaintext to PDF to archived HTML in > the form of e

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

Felipe, "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia flash. the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash. I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the best use of your time. The better bet

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] SugarPlatform-0.84 .0 on Caixa Mágica the Magellan project

Hello everyone, Yes I have read about the Caixa Mágica initiative with great interest. I understand that it will also be deployed on locally made machines in Brazil and Mozambique? I'll try to get up to speed on what is happening. thanks Sean Marketing Coordinator On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:20