2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti :
> Are you the current maintainer of olpc-utils? I used to be, but now I
> don't feel like I have enough spare cycles to work on it.
I think so, but I don't have the time either.
However I get the feeling that olpc-utils is already XO-specific, or
very nearly.
olpc-net
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The FSF sysadmins are going to relocate our virtual machine Sunjammer
today in the evening.
The new host has faster processors, twice as much memory, a faster RAID1
array and generally better hardware. The downtime is projected to last
15-30 minutes, but it may last longer in case of unexpected i
I had quite limited time to test today but here is what we did.
I will call the two jabber servers XS1 and XS2.
XS1 responded to jabber.sugarlabs.org for the last few months. It had over
2000 jabber users.
XS2 was created a few weeks ago and had barely been used. It also has Gadget
installed.
O
2009/8/12 Albert Cahalan :
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Lucian
> Branescu wrote:
>> 2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti :
>>> El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió:
>
JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not
something to be relied upon.
>
I am embarrassed to say that I wasn't aware that the Open ClipArt
Library existed.
I imagine they have similar goals and needs for a content management
system if theirs doesn't already satisfy them.
http://www.openclipart.org
http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/Document_Management_System
--
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Lucian
Branescu wrote:
> 2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti :
>> El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió:
>>> JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not
>>> something to be relied upon.
>>
>> It might be useless, but I don'
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 19:42, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Benjamin M.
> Schwartz wrote:
>> Albert Cahalan wrote:
>>> Benjamin M. Schwartz writes:
>>>
I am trying to create a sugar activity that wraps a
simple X application.
>>>
>>> Have you tried using the s
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Benjamin M.
Schwartz wrote:
> Albert Cahalan wrote:
>> Benjamin M. Schwartz writes:
>>
>>> I am trying to create a sugar activity that wraps a
>>> simple X application.
>>
>> Have you tried using the sugarize code? If it fails,
>> let me know how. You really should
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 18:54, Christian Marc
Schmidt wrote:
> Great--should we plan on holding a design meeting this Sunday? I can be
> available after 10am EST (2pm UTC).
Sounds good to me.
See you then,
Tomeu
> Christian
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Simon Schampijer
> wrote:
>>
>>
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Benjamin M.
Schwartz wrote:
I don't know how to test this, but I think there's a chance it could be a
big win. Of course, in situations where the mDNS presence information
itself is overloading the network, there's n
Brian Jordan wrote:
>
> On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:25 PM, "Benjamin M. Schwartz"
> wrote:
>
>> Indeed. The #1 thing to do, IMHO, is to get rid of the "yum install"
>> requirement. In the short term, the only way to do that is to bundle
>> gtk-vnc and gtk-vnc-python into the .xo, which is fine... I
On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:25 PM, "Benjamin M. Schwartz" wrote:
> Indeed. The #1 thing to do, IMHO, is to get rid of the "yum install"
> requirement. In the short term, the only way to do that is to bundle
> gtk-vnc and gtk-vnc-python into the .xo, which is fine... I'm just not
> quite sure how to
Great--should we plan on holding a design meeting this Sunday? I can be
available after 10am EST (2pm UTC).
Christian
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> On 08/12/2009 03:24 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Yes, I agree. Unless everyone is on the same page, it may
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Benjamin M.
Schwartz wrote:
> I don't know how to test this, but I think there's a chance it could be a
> big win. Of course, in situations where the mDNS presence information
> itself is overloading the network, there's not much we can do.
Get your hands on airt
A rude hack for simple activities (See attached).
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IMHO, close study of small deployments makes them incredibly useful to
all teachers and Learners. The observations and take-aways need to be
triaged of course, starting with what can/should be done by Sugar
Labs, but I am convinced many learnings will benefit large
deployments. Until reliable means
Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
> Just tried WatchMe on two XOs (one using Nepal's NEXO image, the other
> one on 802) connected via
> WiFi and it worked really well:-)
I'm glad to hear it!
> Now we need to figure out how to make this an easy-to-use support tool for
> teachers...
Indeed. The #1 thi
Hi, I was invited to participate on a meeting by tomeu from the #sugar
chatroom... He said it would be this weekend, I would like to participate,
but I live in a very different timezone, I do stay up late though...
what time, what day will the meeting be? I'll see if I can participate.
By the w
Hi Somon,
On 12 Aug 2009, at 16:52, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> On 08/12/2009 04:34 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>
>> I'll sit and stare at the HelloWorld toolbar screenshot,
>> contemplating
>> it's emptiness and the eternal void, perhaps I be enlightened, but I
>> think this may be the price we ha
Yes, the next week.
Gonzalo
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote:
>
>> ===In the community===
>>
>> 3. Gonzalo Odiard reported on a successful
>> [http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004099.html
>> Sugar Day Argentina on the Sur list.] Gonzalo also describes th
On 08/12/2009 04:34 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> On 12 Aug 2009, at 11:13, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just ported the hello world example to the new toolbar design [1]. I
>> remember that once Gary pointed out, that simple activities will look
>> 'empty' when we move them
On 08/12/2009 03:24 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote:
> Yes, I agree. Unless everyone is on the same page, it may make sense to
> schedule a meeting this weekend, also to go over proposals for list view in
> Neighborhood and to discuss groups. What does everyone think?
>
>
> Christian
We need quit
On 08/12/2009 03:15 PM, Eben Eliason wrote:
> Last we discussed this, I think we decided that activities which don't
> modify the toolbars in any way should have a single toolbar containing
> all of the activity toolbar controls: title entry, sharing, keep, etc.
> Only if the activity wanted to mod
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:
>> First of all, a PDF is pretty much just well-behaved postscript.
>> You can embed that in more postscript. The user can thus scribble
>> all over the document.
>>
>
> In this context, I have been playing around with Read + Epub - and I
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 09:52 -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
escribió:
>> I think few people will care about PDF 10 years from now -- maybe
>> just 5 years from now. With or without Javascript ;-).
> i wish i was so optimistic but in some parts of the world the time
> frame for this chang
I would be willing to set some time aside for that. Early mornings are
best for me.
Eben
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Christian Marc
Schmidt wrote:
> Yes, I agree. Unless everyone is on the same page, it may make sense to
> schedule a meeting this weekend, also to go over proposals for list
Hi Albert,
On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:22, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> S Page writes:
>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Daniel Drake
>> wrote:
>
>>> adding an interactivity component that would be impossible
>>> to have when working with paper-based exercise books.
>>
>> And impossible with PDFs.
>
> N
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 15:16 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió:
>> In any case, PDF is a good presentation format. Why make it
>> significantly more complex for small-to-none improvements to its main
>> purpose?
>
> Agreed.
>
> And, btw, as
Martin Langhoff wrote:
> - can we use multicast frames... and get the APs speeds bumped up to
> do a "fast multicast" so as to not use up all the airtime?
This would be great... and I just realized that it might also be
tremendously beneficial for Telepathy-Salut.
Salut uses multicast for two th
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 15:16 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió:
> In any case, PDF is a good presentation format. Why make it
> significantly more complex for small-to-none improvements to its main
> purpose?
Agreed.
And, btw, as people are gradually loosing the habit of printing on
paper, docume
Hi Simon,
On 12 Aug 2009, at 11:13, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just ported the hello world example to the new toolbar design [1].
> I remember that once Gary pointed out, that simple activities will
> look 'empty' when we move them to the new design (screenshot
> attached), Chat wo
Albert Cahalan wrote:
> Benjamin M. Schwartz writes:
>
>> I am trying to create a sugar activity that wraps a
>> simple X application.
>
> Have you tried using the sugarize code? If it fails,
> let me know how. You really shouldn't need Python to
> wrap a simple X application.
Good point. I'd f
2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti :
> El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió:
>> Adobe apparently loves vectors.
>
> And monopolies.
That too :) But really, they're obsessed with vectors.
>
>> JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not
>> something to be
Generally agree that it is important... however.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard A. Smith wrote:
> You have to QA the whole system regardless of what change you make so really
> it doesn't increase the QA that much anyway.
No, and that is an explicit goal: keep the changes small and low
Martin Langhoff wrote:
> Either way, this is going to be a nasty RF hog. How do we handle this
> hogginess?
RealVNC's vncviewer seems to have a fairly smart adaptive congestion
control, stepping down the frequency of updates as available bandwidth
decreases. It doesn't solve the problem, but it
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió:
> Adobe apparently loves vectors.
And monopolies.
> JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not
> something to be relied upon.
It might be useless, but I don't see why it should be more risky than
Javascrip
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Dave Bauer wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Martin Langhoff <
> martin.langh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Caroline
>> Meeks wrote:
>> > I worked with the RIT contingent and Dave Farning today to do some
>> > collaboration
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:43:15PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> On 12 Aug 2009, at 01:27, Martin Dengler wrote:
>
>> Make it easy to add lots of objects to the world quickly by drawing
>> one shape, then pressing the key of the shape tool a few times to add
>> a few copies of that o
Hi Martin,
On 12 Aug 2009, at 01:27, Martin Dengler wrote:
> Make it easy to add lots of objects to the world quickly by drawing
> one shape, then pressing the key of the shape tool a few times to add
> a few copies of that object to the tool. Erase objects by hovering
> and pressing E (the eras
Hi Martin,
We've done exactly as you've said.
I should release both Sugar Print And Moodle Print in a couple of
hours. There's an annoying bug about selecting page ranges
when generating a pdf/ or printing it that I'm trying to fix.
And I realise I forgot adding a footer for log out to moodle
pri
Hi,
It's time to revive Deployment Team.
Next meeting Wednesday August 19th - at 14 UTC (9 EST) on
irc.freenode.net (channel: #sugar-meeting).
Please add to the agenda below and please join in with your ideas.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Meetings/Minutes/2009-08-19
best regards,
Thanks for the advice.
We will be going to do some more tests this morning. I think we will
spend a while learning about the tools which you and martin mentioned
then run another debug session.
david
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Dave Bauer wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Marti
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:15:01AM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote:
> - can we use multicast frames... [...]
There are two multicast VNC implementations that I'm aware of that have
a permissive license ...
http://www2.in.tum.de/~ziewer/multicastvnc/
http://teleteaching.uni-trier.de/
The latter se
Yes, I agree. Unless everyone is on the same page, it may make sense to
schedule a meeting this weekend, also to go over proposals for list view in
Neighborhood and to discuss groups. What does everyone think?
Christian
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Eben Eliason wrote:
> Last we discussed t
Last we discussed this, I think we decided that activities which don't
modify the toolbars in any way should have a single toolbar containing
all of the activity toolbar controls: title entry, sharing, keep, etc.
Only if the activity wanted to modify the toolbars would the activity
specific stuff b
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Caroline
> Meeks wrote:
> > I worked with the RIT contingent and Dave Farning today to do some
> > collaboration testing.
> > We tested with 8 computers on a rarely used dev XS system hosted by
> Solution
>
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:17:22PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:42:23AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:45:22AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:01:16AM +, Martin Dengler wrote:
> > > > soasxo51.tree.tar
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> S Page writes:
>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Daniel Drake wrote:
>
>>> adding an interactivity component that would be impossible
>>> to have when working with paper-based exercise books.
>>
>> And impossible with PDFs.
>
> No way.
I tried using xreload.py when I was struggling with Rainbow
interactions in Turtle Art (you may recall that I let users load code
they modify in Pippy). Never did get it to work as advertised, but
never figured out the root cause of my problem either. Most likely my
doing something stupid.
-walter
Adobe apparently loves vectors.
JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not
something to be relied upon.
Forms are about as much interaction as PDF get without becoming
dangerous or moot.
2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti :
> El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 07:22 -0400, Albert Cahalan
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 07:22 -0400, Albert Cahalan escribió:
> Finally, you can put JavaScript in a PDF. I'm not sure if any of
> the free software viewers can handle this yet. In theory you can
> have all sorts of animations. It's kind of like flash.
Yes, and it's kind of like SVG, too.
And is
First of all, it's wonderful to finally see this activity.
Plenty of words in the UI are not easy, starting with "difficulty". :-)
There doesn't seem to be any scratch space to work in, but I'm just
looking at the screen shot. Can the user lay out a long division in
the standard form? Can the use
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 16:31 +0545, Daniel Drake escribió:
> 2009/8/12 Tomeu Vizoso :
> > Any opinions? Every other deployer thinks this is a good idea?
>
> Yes. OLPC deployments have historically had this tool in the form of
> olpc-netstatus which is indeed very useful. Sugar should provide an
S Page writes:
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Daniel Drake wrote:
>> adding an interactivity component that would be impossible
>> to have when working with paper-based exercise books.
>
> And impossible with PDFs.
No way. PDFs can be interactive in many ways.
First of all, a PDF is pretty m
Would it be possible to offer a more compact design, with a single
bar, but with the new API?
2009/8/12 Simon Schampijer :
> Hi,
>
> I just ported the hello world example to the new toolbar design [1]. I
> remember that once Gary pointed out, that simple activities will look
> 'empty' when we move
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Benjamin M.
Schwartz wrote:
> Announcing WatchMe-1, an activity that brings VNC to Sugar.
Fantastic!
> Help needed:
> 5. More advanced functionality? Remote screenshots? Sound? Unix sockets?
> XS reflectors?
We are going to have to figure out how to deal with t
Benjamin M. Schwartz writes:
> I am trying to create a sugar activity that wraps a
> simple X application.
Have you tried using the sugarize code? If it fails,
let me know how. You really shouldn't need Python to
wrap a simple X application.
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Hi,
as discussed during the IRC meeting earlier today I've started collecting
some thoughts on Karma lesson specifications (or rather recommendations).
You can find them at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma/Specifications
As always, let me know what you think:-)
Cheers,
Christoph
--
Christoph
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> I would also like to know if when things go wrong, you have any
> mentions of timeouts in the telepathy-gabble.log file. As a more
> general strategy, we could compare telepathy-gabble.log between the
> machines that work and doesn't and try to
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:42:23AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:45:22AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:01:16AM +, Martin Dengler wrote:
> > > soasxo51.tree.tar.lzma - for hacking
> >
> > When I boot this build, it seems to go okay. T
2009/8/12 Tomeu Vizoso :
> Any opinions? Every other deployer thinks this is a good idea?
Yes. OLPC deployments have historically had this tool in the form of
olpc-netstatus which is indeed very useful. Sugar should provide an
equivalent.
I wouldn't say it's important to expose in the UI itself,
Any opinions? Every other deployer thinks this is a good idea?
Regards,
Tomeu
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:38, SugarLabs
Bugs wrote:
> #1157: Show which jabber server to which you are connected
> +---
> Reporter: dfarning
Hi,
I just ported the hello world example to the new toolbar design [1]. I
remember that once Gary pointed out, that simple activities will look
'empty' when we move them to the new design (screenshot attached), Chat
would be a famous case. Most of the activities does have options, though.
H
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Announcing WatchMe-1, an activity that brings VNC to Sugar.
>
> How to try it:
> On two Sugar instances:
> 1. su -c yum install gtk-vnc-python (or equival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:45:22AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:01:16AM +, Martin Dengler wrote:
> > soasxo51.tree.tar.lzma - for hacking
>
> When I boot this build, it seems to go okay. The screen switches to
> white, but sugar never starts.
I'd start by logg
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:45, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 22:02, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>
>> If "View Source" makes it to "Edit Source", it could be reasonable to
>> expect that if you do modify and then close the source editor you
>> would raise an Activity like alert bar with so
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 22:02, Gary C Martin wrote:
> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:25, Eben Eliason wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Lucian
>> Branescu wrote:
>>> 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer :
On 08/11/2009 12:14 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote:
>
> In fact, there is the option to instal
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:39, Martin Langhoff wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Caroline
> Meeks wrote:
>> I worked with the RIT contingent and Dave Farning today to do some
>> collaboration testing.
>> We tested with 8 computers on a rarely used dev XS system hosted by Solution
>> Grove.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:58, Jim Simmons wrote:
> Tomeu,
>
> When Aleksey made changes to Read Etexts to support the gstreamer
> espeak plugin he had written he made a clone of the Activity in
> gitorious, and later this clone was merged back into the mainline. I
> thought this worked pretty wel
On 08/11/2009 07:27 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> Hi,
>
> have tried to clarify and explain the rationale behind the code review
> process in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Code_Review
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Code_guidelines
>
> Would welcome any com
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