Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 07:17:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, Before this moment some binary actitieis on ASLO bundle per architeture blobs since binaries didn't weight much. But it doesn't play in case of http://www.geogebra.org/ which is Java based application (bundling blobs per architecture will mean 50M of dependencies and 5M of geogebra itself). Since Sugar Platform can't grow endlessly, some dependencies can't be included to SP(here Java). But bundling some of them will be pretty overkill(Java, Qt etc). At the same time fetching dependencies on demand(on first launch) could not fit to some deployment models. So, the question is - how handle such non SP big dependencies in ASLO. Possible answers: 1) hmm.. what are you talking about, sugar is pure python environment and blobs(not python) is evil, ASLO should handle only python based activities(or activity should bundle all its dependencies) 2) activities that don't have bundled all dependencies should be explicitly marked to not mess them w/ fully bundling ones 3) use complicated model when ASLO makes decision for every downloading, should dependencies be included or not or less complicated scheme when there will be per architeture bundles, uploader will push pure 0sugar activity and ASLO will cook .xos with all dependencies bundled per architeture. Please suggest your variants and attach your +/- -- 2) +1 -- Aleksey -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] activity.info specification ambiguity
Hi all, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/Activity_Bundles#.info_file_format could be more clear in case of bundle_id value e.g. it doesn't restrict using _ symbol but some rainbow versions does http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/attachment/ticket/1760/GC_S_Weight.log I guess it is right since spec says: In the Python bindings, the bundle_id is also used as the activity's default service type when the activity is shared on the network. To determine this type, the distinct parts (separated by the '.' character) are reversed, any '.' is replaced by a '_' character, and the type is prefixed by a '_' character. So in this example, the default service type would be _BrowserActivity_Sugar_redhat_com. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release GCompris Scalesboard Weight-14
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4283 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.88 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26816/gcompris_scalesboard_weight-14.xo Release notes: * fix bundle_id to run under recent rainbow versions Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release GCompris Memory Word Number-14
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4280 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.88 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26817/gcompris_memory_word_number-14.xo Release notes: * rename bundle_id to run under recent rainbow versions Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release GCompris Memory Enumerate-14
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4279 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.88 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26818/gcompris_memory_enumerate-14.xo Release notes: * rename bundle_id to run under recent rainbow versions Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Our Music MC-3
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4227 Sugar Platform: 0.84 - 0.88 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26815/ourmusicmc-3.xo Release notes: # version 3 2/26/10 Additions: #auto default font sizing for XO's and versions of SoaS through 0.88 Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Our Music-3
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4226 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.88 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26814/ourmusic-3.xo Release notes: # version 3 2/26/10 Additions: #auto default font sizing for XO's and versions of SoaS through 0.88 Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Blocku Update
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Mark DeMayo wrote: Our class here at RIT is done, but we are not done developing. We are going to continue to work on the project, so if anyone would like to help we would be more than happy to give you access to our GIT repo. We now can display multiple squares, rotate one of them and we can move them around with the mouse. I have changed a lot on our wiki. One thing I did was put up mock screenshots. These are not actual screenshots, but what they will hopefully look like in the future. As alwalys feedback is appreciated. Thank you and a special thanks to the people who have helped us in the past. Is there a place where all of the RIT projects are listed, including links to Git/etc.? --g -- Educational materials should be high-quality, collaborative, and free. Visit http://opensource.com/education and join the conversation. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 07:17:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, Before this moment some binary actitieis on ASLO bundle per architeture blobs since binaries didn't weight much. But it doesn't play in case of http://www.geogebra.org/ which is Java based application (bundling blobs per architecture will mean 50M of dependencies and 5M of geogebra itself). Since Sugar Platform can't grow endlessly, some dependencies can't be included to SP(here Java). But bundling some of them will be pretty overkill(Java, Qt etc). At the same time fetching dependencies on demand(on first launch) could not fit to some deployment models. So, the question is - how handle such non SP big dependencies in ASLO. Possible answers: 1) hmm.. what are you talking about, sugar is pure python environment and blobs(not python) is evil, ASLO should handle only python based activities(or activity should bundle all its dependencies) 2) activities that don't have bundled all dependencies should be explicitly marked to not mess them w/ fully bundling ones 3) use complicated model when ASLO makes decision for every downloading, should dependencies be included or not or less complicated scheme when there will be per architeture bundles, uploader will push pure 0sugar activity and ASLO will cook .xos with all dependencies bundled per architeture. Please suggest your variants and attach your +/- -- 2) +1 -- Aleksey -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel Could we have a scheme where by we make a primary bundle and then secondary bundles with the arch-dep bits, one per arch. and have a way in ASLO to grab from both as needed? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:32:53AM -0500, Walter Bender wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 07:17:54AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, Before this moment some binary actitieis on ASLO bundle per architeture blobs since binaries didn't weight much. But it doesn't play in case of http://www.geogebra.org/ which is Java based application (bundling blobs per architecture will mean 50M of dependencies and 5M of geogebra itself). Since Sugar Platform can't grow endlessly, some dependencies can't be included to SP(here Java). But bundling some of them will be pretty overkill(Java, Qt etc). At the same time fetching dependencies on demand(on first launch) could not fit to some deployment models. So, the question is - how handle such non SP big dependencies in ASLO. Possible answers: 1) hmm.. what are you talking about, sugar is pure python environment and blobs(not python) is evil, ASLO should handle only python based activities(or activity should bundle all its dependencies) 2) activities that don't have bundled all dependencies should be explicitly marked to not mess them w/ fully bundling ones 3) use complicated model when ASLO makes decision for every downloading, should dependencies be included or not or less complicated scheme when there will be per architeture bundles, uploader will push pure 0sugar activity and ASLO will cook .xos with all dependencies bundled per architeture. Please suggest your variants and attach your +/- -- 2) +1 -- Aleksey -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel Could we have a scheme where by we make a primary bundle and then secondary bundles with the arch-dep bits, one per arch. and have a way in ASLO to grab from both as needed? Yup, I meant the same - developer mentions 0sugar deps in activity.info and upload bundle only with activity itself w/o any deps bundled, later ASLO will prepare proper set of bundles e.g. per architecture for binary dependencies. The issue with this scheme is that we have a mess anyway since .xos are not fully bundled and contain blobs only for one architecture e.g. if someone downloaded .xo from ASLO on x86_64 box then copied it to x86 box. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem configuring sugar-jhbuild
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:55, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 04:37:07PM +0530, Yevlempy(Harsh Verma) wrote: After doing a make install in (sugar-jhbuidsourcesugar) as per my requirement. The way to build and install (single) sugar packages inside sugar-jhbuild is to run ./sugar-jhbuild buildone -n name_of_package. While you can certainly run make install on your own after the first build (but only thereafter), I recommend using always sugar-jbhuild as it not only passes parameters to configure, but also sets up the environment. Differences in the environment can make for some hard to find problems. When i again started the sugar-emulator(./sugar-jhbuild run sugar-emulator), it gave me an error[1]. Looks like it cannot connect to your X server. How exactly are you running sugar-jhbuild? Please include all steps, including how you logged in (xdm/gdm/kdm, text console, ...). Could sugar-emulator had been ran as root, thus leaving files that cannot be overwritten? Regards, Tomeu CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhmUTAAoJELpz82VMF3DarRwH/A34HvxVt2JhF104/Bdq4pZ4 ESJDuM96iifGrmVC1G1MjYTIWfjji2bUo1yFv30Dq4SZpaan0dNbudCjGG+tcwvT VHrn4Pb9WdevuXoKEPjjI/xklSuyJi6mwzJNGA608VPxmrQgX4KceGyNnnH3neCK 19XIuInEkjgic9+ja/5MZPJqk88gB0+S6zlCtxn+LyvjkZgOJKN+ye3yayn4jEr3 cJVpSi59rZd3EnsBJ60YNYnjjfOPyN52JGyc2u05vGSQ8yvqwaqiTJ8yGVD7e+AU 8N+VddX29JuUz43//GzM/RgSNd1zJOZXnFHxBWk93HuwyV1jghNfiNHLgaOaGpM= =5x8v -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard Function-Special Buttons
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 00:17, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 01:35:34PM -0500, John Tierney wrote: Is it possible to take these functions from F1, F2, F3 and map these to special separate buttons? Yes. sugar.git/src/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py connects F1 to zoom_mesh for example. It could easily be changed to some other standard key. Changing to a non-standard key that only exists on one keyboard model on the planet is difficult but not impossible. If possible: How hard of a task technically? Given a keyboard, no more than a few hours. There are several ways of doing it. There are several software layers involved. Then you have to figure out how to tell Sugar what sort of keyboard you have. Keyboards don't often identify themselves enough. That suggests the addition of a keyboard chooser. That's perhaps more than a few hours. It might be better from an architecture perspective to use a standard keyboard mapping and change the key legends and physical positions. Also, have you considered creating keyboard stickers with special keys? http://www.hooleon.com/menu-stickers.htm?gclid=CLi_rKHhkqACFQRgZwod7j8-eg Regards, Tomeu -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Showing 3G Connection Errors
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 23:03, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 26 Feb 2010, at 15:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 13:30, Daniel Castelo dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: I've applied Eben's mockup, I also tried to show the connection errors using an alert inside the palette. This solution has the problem that Tomeu said: when user clicks connect, the palette is hidden and users could miss the notification. Is a solution that doesn't look nice, because the palette should resize to show the errors. We could bring attention to the issue by using a notification, but I'm not really seeing a good solution for this. Any ideas? Is it possible to override the dismissing of the palette when connect is clicked? User sees a 'connecting' positive feedback message in the palette, with the palette only auto-dismissing after a successful connection? I think it's pretty doable from the coding side and could work quite well in this case. About the design side, do we want to introduce this variation? Regards, Tomeu Regards, --Gary Thanks, Tomeu On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 16:41, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Daniel Castelo dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Hi, today we don't show all the 3G connection errors. The unique error that we show is the Authentication Error when the Pin/Puk Sim configuration is wrong. In this case we show the error in the connection pallete. When users clicks over the message, the pallete returns to normal behavior. We want to display all the connection errors. How is the best way to show this? I'd recommend showing one or more buttons for dismissing the error and taking any other relevant actions within the palette. Clicking on the text label likely won't be very discoverable. For instance, this error might have two normal buttons for Cancel and Show Settings (assuming something in settings can be adjusted to improve the situation; I don't know enough about what this error means). Hmm, but if the error appears in the palette, and the palette is hidden when the Connect option is clicked, won't most users miss the notification? Regards, Tomeu Eben -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 601.57.73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 601.57.73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem configuring sugar-jhbuild
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 03:44:22PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Looks like it cannot connect to your X server. How exactly are you running sugar-jhbuild? Please include all steps, including how you logged in (xdm/gdm/kdm, text console, ...). Could sugar-emulator had been ran as root, thus leaving files that cannot be overwritten? We tackled this on IRC. It turned out Yevlempy hadn't updated his system (Fedora) for quite some time; after doing so it worked fine. I still don't understand exactly what was broken (Xephyr worked fine when started manually, but not inside sugar-emulator) so let's hope it was some obscure Python bug that good fixed for good. :) CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Turtle Art on Activities.sugarlabs.org
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 06:50:13PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 19:08, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: The other day during an infrastructure meeting, Walter brought up some thought on how to enable kids to exchange Turtle Art projects Alsroot has been thinking about how to do this through a.sl.o since he became the activities.sugarlabs.org code maintainer. The high level view is that someone can easily upload Turtle Art creations to somewhere and then they, or others, can go to a portal to download other Turtle Art creations. Client side, this would require: 1. Adding a widget to either the journal or the TA activity to upload the TA Bundle. 2. Adding a TA bundle installer to handler TA Bundle downloads. Server side, this would require: 1. A place to accept TA bundle uploads. 2. A search-able place from which to download TA bundles We have some similar systems we can look to as examples. 1. Scratch -- Scratch has an upload button and users can download scratch projects from -- http://scratch.mit.edu/galleries/browse/newest 2. ASLO -- Users upload XO bundles via a web interface and download via a web interface. My initial instinct is to see if ASLO can be adopted to fit this need. Primarily because we have it, it works, and it is scalable. On the other hand, if the only tool in one's toolbox is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. (How is that for over using clichés and buzzword?) What about Moodle instead? When this has come in the past, I have recommended starting small and growing one step at a time: 1. set up a webapp that can host user uploads, 2. change the input type=file tag to accept only .xoj bundles, make Browse upload the bundle instead of just the file, make the webapp use the metadata for displaying the title, comments, preview, etc., 3. implement uploading of entries in the Sugar UI, if turns out it's needed. I think a place for uploading and sharing Journal entries can bring a lot of power to the Sugar ecosystem, but all tentatives in the past have stalled because they wanted to start too big. we can move in several directions at the same time, * web hosting, I'm more thinking about Moodle because hacking AMO will increase ASLO patch which could be wrong way to go since we don't have PHP coders involeved to ASLO coding * sugar UI, we already have FileShare activity I'm working on Library-2 activity which should support not only server model but also per-to-peer sharing model (activity will have thumb view to make object browsing more useful) -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem importing hulahop.webview() in sugar emulator
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 20:56, vijit singh vijitthetopco...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Tomeu, Thank You once again for your guidance. Surely I will keep on posting the updates. I was also confused about the use of the statement- hulahop.startup(os.path.join(env.get_profile_path(), 'gecko')) What is the significance of hulahop.startup? It surely seems to be imp. since the absence of this line results into an error. Also, gecko folder seems to be containing paths to different xulrunner files. Does including the same gecko folder (as is used in sugar) into the socialcalc package which we will make for fedora, and referring to this folder through the hulahop.startup statement work on fedora as well? Hi Vijit, if you look at the source code, you can see it's the path to the profile directory: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/hulahop/repos/mainline/blobs/master/python/__init__.py#line41 https://wiki.mozilla.org/XULRunner#User_Profiles Kindly give some pointers. Regards, VIJIT On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: 2010/2/23 vijit singh vijitthetopco...@gmail.com: Hello Tomeu, I tried installing hulahop again as you suggested on fedora-11 and it got installed properly. Now, the socialcalc and the browse activity are running as well. Thank you for your guidance. Also wished to discuss that we are planning to port SocialCalc on various linux distros starting from Fedora. The first approach which we are considering is by using a pygtk based root-level window to embed hulahop.webview widget in quite a similar fashion as it has been done in Sugar currently. Do you think it would be a feasible approach? Is there any other approach which you suggest would be better? Kindly give some pointers on the issue. This is the approach that I would recommend. Please keep us posted! Regards, Tomeu Regards, VIJIT On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 18:56, Vijit Singh vi...@seeta.in wrote: Hello Tomeu and Aleskey, Thank you for your replies. I will test your suggestions in a day or two and will let you know about the results since I have been out of town and hence unable to access net since the last 2 days. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 23:36, vijit singh vijitthetopco...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, SocialCalc is based upon the use of hulahop.webview widget. While trying to run socialcalc on sugar emulator running on Fedora and Ubuntu, error saying No module hulahop was occurring. So, we tried installing hulahop on these linux distributions. 1. Firstly we tried with ubuntu-8.10, here are the exact steps taken- xulrunner was pre-installed. And then I installed python-support.deb and libxul0d.deb which are pre-requistie packages for python-xpcom package (other pre-requistie packages were already installed). Then i installed python-xpcom. And then I installed python-hulahop and hulahop. Downlaod links for these packages are as follows:- http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/python/python-xpcom http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/hulahop http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/python-hulahop Now, though hulahop was getting imported but while using hulahop.webview, an error saying hulahop has no attribute webview occured. However, when we checked the hulahop folder, there was a file named webview.py, so this problem might be because of some kind of wrongly set library paths. 2. Then we tried it with ubuntu-9.10, with similar steps but got the same result. 3. Then we tried it with fedora-11- Installed hulahop and then xpcom from the following link- http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandriva/2009.1/i586/media/main/release/python-xpcom-1.9.0.8-1mdv2009.1.i586.html This is a Mandriva package. I recommend using the tools available in each distro for installing software. In Fedora it would be: yum install hulahop We tried yum install hulahop but it said no package named hulahop, our first approach on fedora was to use yum and on ubuntu was to use apt get, but both gave the same results. In Fedora 11, this is the ouput of yum search hulahop: [to...@zviratko ~]$ yum search hulahop Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit === Matched: hulahop === hulahop.i586 : A pygtk widget for embedding mozilla Are you sure you wrote the name of the package correctly? Regards, Tomeu Regards, VIJIT ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Showing 3G Connection Errors
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 23:03, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 26 Feb 2010, at 15:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 13:30, Daniel Castelo dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: I've applied Eben's mockup, I also tried to show the connection errors using an alert inside the palette. This solution has the problem that Tomeu said: when user clicks connect, the palette is hidden and users could miss the notification. Is a solution that doesn't look nice, because the palette should resize to show the errors. We could bring attention to the issue by using a notification, but I'm not really seeing a good solution for this. Any ideas? Is it possible to override the dismissing of the palette when connect is clicked? User sees a 'connecting' positive feedback message in the palette, with the palette only auto-dismissing after a successful connection? I think it's pretty doable from the coding side and could work quite well in this case. About the design side, do we want to introduce this variation? This could be a bit odd. Since the palette is attached to the Frame, does that also prevent the Frame from hiding? How long does it usually take to connect? Could it get in the way of the user? I think in an upcoming release it makes sense to put more time into the notification system to support this type of thing. (For instance, upon failure, the 3G icon would appear and blink in the lower right corner for a bit; It would continue to have a different visual treatment within the Frame if you didn't click it in time in the corner; When clicked it would reveal the error and any actions to take.) In the short term, I guess we could still use the notification system to get your attention, though the rest of the behavior wouldn't be as clean. But, if we're using the usual transformation of the icon from white to XO colors when connecting, and drop back to white when connection fails, we're no worse off than wifi connection errors until we institute a more complete design for notifications. Eben Regards, Tomeu Regards, --Gary Thanks, Tomeu On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 16:41, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Daniel Castelo dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Hi, today we don't show all the 3G connection errors. The unique error that we show is the Authentication Error when the Pin/Puk Sim configuration is wrong. In this case we show the error in the connection pallete. When users clicks over the message, the pallete returns to normal behavior. We want to display all the connection errors. How is the best way to show this? I'd recommend showing one or more buttons for dismissing the error and taking any other relevant actions within the palette. Clicking on the text label likely won't be very discoverable. For instance, this error might have two normal buttons for Cancel and Show Settings (assuming something in settings can be adjusted to improve the situation; I don't know enough about what this error means). Hmm, but if the error appears in the palette, and the palette is hidden when the Connect option is clicked, won't most users miss the notification? Regards, Tomeu Eben -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 601.57.73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 601.57.73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 04:05:02PM +, Gary C Martin wrote: On 27 Feb 2010, at 07:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, Before this moment some binary actitieis on ASLO bundle per architeture blobs since binaries didn't weight much. But it doesn't play in case of http://www.geogebra.org/ which is Java based application (bundling blobs per architecture will mean 50M of dependencies and 5M of geogebra itself). Since Sugar Platform can't grow endlessly, some dependencies can't be included to SP(here Java). But bundling some of them will be pretty overkill(Java, Qt etc). At the same time fetching dependencies on demand(on first launch) could not fit to some deployment models. So, the question is - how handle such non SP big dependencies in ASLO. Possible answers: 1) hmm.. what are you talking about, sugar is pure python environment and blobs(not python) is evil, ASLO should handle only python based activities(or activity should bundle all its dependencies) Sorry, but I'm still a +1 for, Activity should bundle all its needed dependencies, but try to work within the existing platform tool set. I understand it's not always possible, and your 0-install work may provide us a rather graceful way to support random, unexpected architectures or platforms (for the exceptions not the norm); but the last thing Sugar needs is to try and potentially support and run every bit of open source code out there. We should focus on well designed Sugar or Sugarised activities. Otherwise Sugar will loose all useful identity and we would might as well drop it and move over to some other random Linux distro. For me, what makes Sugar special is its consist, system wide attempt to focus on a child centric, and learning centric design. Regards, --Gary P.S. FWIW: As a Mac OS X developer and user, I almost never have to worry about dependencies or packaging. Almost all OS X applications are self contained bundles, usually containing 'fat binaries' for 32, 64, PPC Intel architectures, and targeted at perhaps the last 2 or 3 OS X version releases (4-5yrs bit rot life time). I just mention this as a working mainstream example. btw MacOS geogebra package weights 5M (doesn't bundle jre) :) I guess we should ask ourself more generic question, How we should treat ASLO(and sugar itself) 1) education platform 2) python based education platform Maybe I'm wrong and this question was already answered for others and this answer is 2) but in my mind it was all time 1). In case of 2) we will HAVE TO face packaging issues anyway since there is lots of education software that could be proper sugarized (not only running but adding Journal support for example). Possible ways could be: bundle all dependencies but bundle 50M(if we include ARM support it will be 75M) for every java based activity looks overkill rely only on Sugar Platform but we can't include all possible dependencies deployment method when all efforts are concentrated around one(several) particular sugar distributions like OLPC or SOAS but I guess more global approach was chosen since organizing SL using more flexible scheme when we have * Sugar Platform and majority of fully bundled activities (since dependencies were included to SP) * minority which have non-SP dependencies, such dependencies could be * bundled, if they are small * installed on demand from native packaging systems * fetched on demand ..add your own.. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:36:04AM -0500, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Aleksey Lim wrote: Please suggest your variants and attach your +/- All of the above. ASLO should warn the user if an activity is arch-dependent, generate a bundle appropriate to the user's settings, and make sure that the generated bundle's name indicates the supported architectures. (e.g WatchMe-2.xo.F13-sparc32+Lenny-IA64) this is intermediate option which could only increase mess, since from once side activities bundle something, from other side bundle not all dependencies and use case with download .xo from one box and run it on other won't work (otherwise we should oblige kids understand what IA64 and sparc32 is). Ultimately, though, I think we need to move 0install into Glucose. Then to share an activity bundle with a friend, all I have to do is transfer the package URL. My friend's Sugar install can then use 0share/packagekit/0launch to get whatever components are necessary for her system... possibly even from me via 0share, or possibly from ASLO. and I'm all about this, kid just click on download button on ASLO (or pass link to friends) and all technical stuff (check for deps, arches etc) will be done by 0install. Of course as was already mentioned many times there will be net issue. But are we trying to solve downstream problems on upstream, I mean if there is only *one* XO laptop somewhere in sahara nothing would be useful, but more or less big deployments could have school servers that will provide all useful for this particular dependent dependencies via local network (and users themselves could be peers in local file sharing network). -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 07:01:35PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 04:48:27PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: bundle all dependencies but bundle 50M(if we include ARM support it will be 75M) for every java based activity looks overkill IMO the only sane way to handle large dependencies, esp. language ones, is relying on distro packages. using more flexible scheme when we have * Sugar Platform and majority of fully bundled activities (since dependencies were included to SP) * minority which have non-SP dependencies, such dependencies could be * bundled, if they are small * installed on demand from native packaging systems * fetched on demand This looks like the way to go, esp. the installed on demand from native packaging systems part. Rely on distro packages as much as possible, you'll avoid quite some trouble the distributors have already gone through for you (e.g. xulrunner paths differ on distros). Distro packages are also a) easily and transparently cachable on a local server (apt-cacher, squid, ...) b) fetched from the widespread mirror network of distributions rather than the few ones hosting Sugar stuff (APT can even use bittorrent or custom P2P software like apt-p2p) c) usually more trustworthy than random builds from some more or less anonymous source d) actively maintained, including security updates (except for Ubuntu universe/multiverse). +1024 and 0install is so smart that it will check if required dependency * already installed * could be installed from native packages and ask PackageKit to install it * fallabck to prebuilt blobs * fallabck to build from sources in users env * say phew -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 06:13:22PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: and 0install is so smart that it will check if required dependency * already installed * could be installed from native packages and ask PackageKit to install it * fallabck to prebuilt blobs * fallabck to build from sources in users env * say phew Sounds great! Sorry I've fallen behind on your 0install/0sugar efforts, I definitely need to try it out - I've put it on my growing list of things to do next month. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Blocku Update
Here is the link to the Math4 list, which links to all of RIT's involvement with OLPC. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team This link is all of the projects specific to RIT http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/RIT/Projects Here is the link to Blocku. Which can be found on the sugarlabs activity page or the Math4 RIT Projects page. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blocku I don't think there is a specific page that has everyone's Git repo links. Most groups put the links on their own wiki pages. Here is Bloku's Git repo link it is located on our development page. http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/blocku Hope this helps. If you need any more info just ask. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Greg DeKoenigbserg g...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Mark DeMayo wrote: Our class here at RIT is done, but we are not done developing. We are going to continue to work on the project, so if anyone would like to help we would be more than happy to give you access to our GIT repo. We now can display multiple squares, rotate one of them and we can move them around with the mouse. I have changed a lot on our wiki. One thing I did was put up mock screenshots. These are not actual screenshots, but what they will hopefully look like in the future. As alwalys feedback is appreciated. Thank you and a special thanks to the people who have helped us in the past. Is there a place where all of the RIT projects are listed, including links to Git/etc.? --g -- Educational materials should be high-quality, collaborative, and free. Visit http://opensource.com/education and join the conversation. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Blocku Update
Perfect... thanks, Mark! This page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/RIT/Projects ...is full of awesome, and should be touted by RIT folks far and wide. --g On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mark DeMayo wrote: Here is the link to the Math4 list, which links to all of RIT's involvement with OLPC. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team This link is all of the projects specific to RIT http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/RIT/Projects Here is the link to Blocku. Which can be found on the sugarlabs activity page or the Math4 RIT Projects page. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blocku I don't think there is a specific page that has everyone's Git repo links. Most groups put the links on their own wiki pages. Here is Bloku's Git repo link it is located on our development page. http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/blocku Hope this helps. If you need any more info just ask. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Greg DeKoenigbserg g...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Mark DeMayo wrote: Our class here at RIT is done, but we are not done developing. We are going to continue to work on the project, so if anyone would like to help we would be more than happy to give you access to our GIT repo. We now can display multiple squares, rotate one of them and we can move them around with the mouse. I have changed a lot on our wiki. One thing I did was put up mock screenshots. These are not actual screenshots, but what they will hopefully look like in the future. As alwalys feedback is appreciated. Thank you and a special thanks to the people who have helped us in the past. Is there a place where all of the RIT projects are listed, including links to Git/etc.? --g -- Educational materials should be high-quality, collaborative, and free. Visit http://opensource.com/education and join the conversation. -- Educational materials should be high-quality, collaborative, and free. Visit http://opensource.com/education and join the conversation. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Blocku Update
We are using Pygame. I forwarded this email to my lead programmer to have a look at it. Thanks for the suggestion. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Mark DeMayo mdemay...@gmail.com wrote: Our class here at RIT is done, but we are not done developing. We are going to continue to work on the project, so if anyone would like to help we would be more than happy to give you access to our GIT repo. We now can display multiple squares, rotate one of them and we can move them around with the mouse. I have changed a lot on our wiki. One thing I did was put up mock screenshots. These are not actual screenshots, but what they will hopefully look like in the future. As alwalys feedback is appreciated. Thank you and a special thanks to the people who have helped us in the past. - Blocku Development Team ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel How have you implemented this? With pygame? You may want to take a look at cardsort (http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/cardsort), which has a lot of the same functionality implemented for a different game. It uses a simple sprite library and is otherwise pure Python and Sugar. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Blocku Update
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Mark DeMayo mdemay...@gmail.com wrote: We are using Pygame. I forwarded this email to my lead programmer to have a look at it. Thanks for the suggestion. Happy to answer any questions re the sprites library. There is some documentation in a comment at the top if the file. I use it in Turtle Art, Sliderule, CardSort, VisualMatch, Erikos, and several other activities, so there are lots of examples to look at. -walter On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Mark DeMayo mdemay...@gmail.com wrote: Our class here at RIT is done, but we are not done developing. We are going to continue to work on the project, so if anyone would like to help we would be more than happy to give you access to our GIT repo. We now can display multiple squares, rotate one of them and we can move them around with the mouse. I have changed a lot on our wiki. One thing I did was put up mock screenshots. These are not actual screenshots, but what they will hopefully look like in the future. As alwalys feedback is appreciated. Thank you and a special thanks to the people who have helped us in the past. - Blocku Development Team ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel How have you implemented this? With pygame? You may want to take a look at cardsort (http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/cardsort), which has a lot of the same functionality implemented for a different game. It uses a simple sprite library and is otherwise pure Python and Sugar. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] [IAEP] Turtle Art on Activities.sugarlabs.org
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 15:34 +, Aleksey Lim wrote: we can move in several directions at the same time, * web hosting, I'm more thinking about Moodle because hacking AMO will increase ASLO patch which could be wrong way to go since we don't have PHP coders involeved to ASLO coding We already have a Moodle instance running here: http://schools.sugarlabs.org/ I don't know if anyone is using it, and it may very well be an updated version at this time. Caroline could tell you more about it. If you need a development Moodle installation, just let me know. * sugar UI, we already have FileShare activity I'm working on Library-2 activity which should support not only server model but also per-to-peer sharing model (activity will have thumb view to make object browsing more useful) Very interesting... -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:47:37AM +, Gary C Martin wrote: On 27 Feb 2010, at 16:48, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 04:05:02PM +, Gary C Martin wrote: On 27 Feb 2010, at 07:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, Before this moment some binary actitieis on ASLO bundle per architeture blobs since binaries didn't weight much. But it doesn't play in case of http://www.geogebra.org/ which is Java based application (bundling blobs per architecture will mean 50M of dependencies and 5M of geogebra itself). Since Sugar Platform can't grow endlessly, some dependencies can't be included to SP(here Java). But bundling some of them will be pretty overkill(Java, Qt etc). At the same time fetching dependencies on demand(on first launch) could not fit to some deployment models. So, the question is - how handle such non SP big dependencies in ASLO. Possible answers: 1) hmm.. what are you talking about, sugar is pure python environment and blobs(not python) is evil, ASLO should handle only python based activities(or activity should bundle all its dependencies) Sorry, but I'm still a +1 for, Activity should bundle all its needed dependencies, but try to work within the existing platform tool set. I understand it's not always possible, and your 0-install work may provide us a rather graceful way to support random, unexpected architectures or platforms (for the exceptions not the norm); but the last thing Sugar needs is to try and potentially support and run every bit of open source code out there. We should focus on well designed Sugar or Sugarised activities. Otherwise Sugar will loose all useful identity and we would might as well drop it and move over to some other random Linux distro. For me, what makes Sugar special is its consist, system wide attempt to focus on a child centric, and learning centric design. Regards, --Gary P.S. FWIW: As a Mac OS X developer and user, I almost never have to worry about dependencies or packaging. Almost all OS X applications are self contained bundles, usually containing 'fat binaries' for 32, 64, PPC Intel architectures, and targeted at perhaps the last 2 or 3 OS X version releases (4-5yrs bit rot life time). I just mention this as a working mainstream example. btw MacOS geogebra package weights 5M (doesn't bundle jre) :) :-b But that's because Mac OS includes the Java runtime as part of its platform... I guess we should ask ourself more generic question, How we should treat ASLO(and sugar itself) 1) education platform 2) python based education platform Of course it's a platform for education, but we are where we are with regards python. I'd be quite happy if someone wanted to go out of their way and write in some other supported and available language/tool set – but right now the easiest path is to create native activities using Python GTK+. There are heaps of example code, wiki pages, books etc for anyone how wants to learn how. but in case of geogebra we have already existed project Maybe I'm wrong and this question was already answered for others and this answer is 2) but in my mind it was all time 1). In case of 2) we will HAVE TO face packaging issues anyway since there is lots of education software that could be proper sugarized (not only running but adding Journal support for example). Regarding 'Iots of educational software' I doubt many teams in reality would be willing to properly sugarize, we would end up with a bunch activity carbuncles dotted throughout the user experience. The sugarized successes I see are built on code bases where you can create a separate Sugar friendly UI on top, from scratch (like Write/abiword). I wish I had time to do the same for MatPlotLib and make a nice graphing/charting sand box activity. and upsterm who are wiling to proper sugarize it (e.g. add Journal support) Possible ways could be: bundle all dependencies but bundle 50M(if we include ARM support it will be 75M) for every java based activity looks overkill There was a _lot_ of early discussion over having, or not having, Java as part of the tool set but the question is not about including java to Sugar Platform but about having a way to run activities that have non SP deps (here java) but (and I'm waving my hands a little here) it was considered too large and too resource intensive for the target hardware. I agree given my experience running Java on a 2.66Ghz dual core cpu with 4Gb of ram, it sucks eggs, memory, cpu, and usually drives the fans on and eats the laptop battery – I don't want to imaging the pain on an XO or netbook type hardware. Sure there's a reasonable amount of free Java OSS stuff out there, but even if it runs vaguely OK on the kind of hardware Sugar is aimed at, it would still need heavy sugarising so as not to pollute the
Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 02:18:39AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:47:37AM +, Gary C Martin wrote: On 27 Feb 2010, at 16:48, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 04:05:02PM +, Gary C Martin wrote: On 27 Feb 2010, at 07:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, Before this moment some binary actitieis on ASLO bundle per architeture blobs since binaries didn't weight much. But it doesn't play in case of http://www.geogebra.org/ which is Java based application (bundling blobs per architecture will mean 50M of dependencies and 5M of geogebra itself). Since Sugar Platform can't grow endlessly, some dependencies can't be included to SP(here Java). But bundling some of them will be pretty overkill(Java, Qt etc). At the same time fetching dependencies on demand(on first launch) could not fit to some deployment models. So, the question is - how handle such non SP big dependencies in ASLO. Possible answers: 1) hmm.. what are you talking about, sugar is pure python environment and blobs(not python) is evil, ASLO should handle only python based activities(or activity should bundle all its dependencies) Sorry, but I'm still a +1 for, Activity should bundle all its needed dependencies, but try to work within the existing platform tool set. I understand it's not always possible, and your 0-install work may provide us a rather graceful way to support random, unexpected architectures or platforms (for the exceptions not the norm); but the last thing Sugar needs is to try and potentially support and run every bit of open source code out there. We should focus on well designed Sugar or Sugarised activities. Otherwise Sugar will loose all useful identity and we would might as well drop it and move over to some other random Linux distro. For me, what makes Sugar special is its consist, system wide attempt to focus on a child centric, and learning centric design. Regards, --Gary P.S. FWIW: As a Mac OS X developer and user, I almost never have to worry about dependencies or packaging. Almost all OS X applications are self contained bundles, usually containing 'fat binaries' for 32, 64, PPC Intel architectures, and targeted at perhaps the last 2 or 3 OS X version releases (4-5yrs bit rot life time). I just mention this as a working mainstream example. btw MacOS geogebra package weights 5M (doesn't bundle jre) :) :-b But that's because Mac OS includes the Java runtime as part of its platform... I guess we should ask ourself more generic question, How we should treat ASLO(and sugar itself) 1) education platform 2) python based education platform Of course it's a platform for education, but we are where we are with regards python. I'd be quite happy if someone wanted to go out of their way and write in some other supported and available language/tool set – but right now the easiest path is to create native activities using Python GTK+. There are heaps of example code, wiki pages, books etc for anyone how wants to learn how. but in case of geogebra we have already existed project Maybe I'm wrong and this question was already answered for others and this answer is 2) but in my mind it was all time 1). In case of 2) we will HAVE TO face packaging issues anyway since there is lots of education software that could be proper sugarized (not only running but adding Journal support for example). Regarding 'Iots of educational software' I doubt many teams in reality would be willing to properly sugarize, we would end up with a bunch activity carbuncles dotted throughout the user experience. The sugarized successes I see are built on code bases where you can create a separate Sugar friendly UI on top, from scratch (like Write/abiword). I wish I had time to do the same for MatPlotLib and make a nice graphing/charting sand box activity. and upsterm who are wiling to proper sugarize it (e.g. add Journal support) Possible ways could be: bundle all dependencies but bundle 50M(if we include ARM support it will be 75M) for every java based activity looks overkill There was a _lot_ of early discussion over having, or not having, Java as part of the tool set but the question is not about including java to Sugar Platform but about having a way to run activities that have non SP deps (here java) but (and I'm waving my hands a little here) it was considered too large and too resource intensive for the target hardware. I agree given my experience running Java on a 2.66Ghz dual core cpu with 4Gb of ram, it sucks eggs, memory, cpu, and usually drives the fans on and eats the laptop battery – I don't want to imaging the pain on an XO or netbook type hardware. Sure there's a reasonable amount of
