Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 53, Issue 31

2013-03-15 Thread Tony Anderson 

On 03/15/2013 06:03 PM, sugar-devel-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:21:31 -0500
From: James Simmons
To: Gonzalo Odiard
Cc: Sugar-dev Devel
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity to improve collaboration in the
classroom
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Gonzalo,

This sounds a bit like the Library Activity that Aleksey Lim worked on:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4089

The sharing part was supposed to be something like you would create a list
of Journal entries that you wished to share (something like a bookshelf),
and these entries would be available for download by anyone you had shared
the list with.  This functionality was supposed to be part of version 2
which never got written.

James Simmons


On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:


>  A few times, we found simple operations are not so simple for teachers in
>Sugar,
>one case is share one file with all the kids in a class, request a task to
>do
>and later get all the work done by the kids.
>
>I am working in one activity to try to solve this issue, I want share a
>prototype,
>and a few ideas around this issue.
>
>JournalShare [1] allow select a number of items in the Journal and after
>collaboration is
>established, download the files. Pending is the implementation of
>transference of files in the opposed direction. Right now,
>display only the favorite items in the journal, like Portfolio,
>but probably will allow select individual items or use tags to search.
>
>I used webkit to display the UI and a simple server to
>provide the data in JSON format. javascript in the client creates the UI.
>Using HTML and CSS allow fast and easy formating. Right now,
>the format is ugly, but will be improved later.
>
>I think we can improve this to allow adding comments or other social
>features,
>like walter proposed webservices plugins do. Other reason to use a web
>interface
>and not do the client with gtk, is allow easy migration to other future
>environments
>or allow run this in the schoolserver to access the backedup journal items.
>
>The most important thing right now is implement the transference from the
>client
>to the server, and test if can scale to have a entire class working
>together.
>
>Download a file is implemented with the downloadmanager from Browse,
>but for any reason does not show the alert when the download start
>but at the end, (probably gtk is blocking the thread or similar), is
>something to solve.
>I stolen code from other activities, like Portfolio, Read and the
>original JournalShare from Agustin. To all the developers, thanks:)
>
>Comments, ideas, bugs or patches are welcomed.
>
>Gonzalo
>
>[1]http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/activities/JournalShare-1.xo
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Hi,

Most of this functionality is available. Currently I have modified 
ds-backup to backup only Journal items with a document. Thus all of the 
students documents are on the school server automatically.


The question is how to share. Do you want the students to be able to 
download documents for other student's Journal? Does the student decide 
whether to share his document? Does the teacher have a role in deciding 
what is to be shared. Is sharing across all XOs or only those in a 
specific class. Do you want students to work collaboratively on these 
items wiki-like?


So I have built a special 'milestone' into the Learn activity which I am 
calling My Studio. Students can create web pages and can submit them.
On the school server, there will be a 'resource' which contains the 
submitted 'My Studio' from each student in a hierarchy: school, class, 
student. Teachers and other students will be able to see the submitted 
items and download ones they want. Once downloaded they can (Creative 
Commons like) modify it as they wish. The modified work can then be 
uploaded as part of their 'My Studio'. This approach is not dependent on 
the Journal but on having a class list for each class that uses the XOs.


Note: the Learn activity is based on Firefox - I hope to port it to 
WebKit, but that will not be a simple task. Currently, I have not tested 
Firefox on XO-1.75 or XO-4 (Arm) but it works on XO-1 and XO-1.5 with 
12.1.0.


Tony

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Re: [Sugar-devel] OLPC France 12.1.0 testing results

2013-03-15 Thread Gonzalo Odiard 
For hulahop, the best is replace the use of gecko by webkit.
You can see how simple is the code, by example in the Help activity.

About Colors, I have tried but didn't find the solution to the pending issue
(git version starts,  but the palette to select colors do not reply)
If you find the solution, please communicate.

Gonzalo

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:03 PM,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>  
>
> We're currently preparing the 2013 mission to our Nosy Komba deployment:
> 150 XO-1 + 50 XO-1.5.
>
> So, a team of volunteer have tested on 12.1.0/Sugar 0.96 our 63 activities
> currently deployed there on OLPC 883/Sugar 0.94.1. 
>
> I know it's a "hot topic" here :-) so following is the result of our test.
> 
>
>  
>
> The detailed report is here [1] (in french) and the spreadsheet report is
> here [2].
>
> Results are not so bad: 71% of activities works without any adaptation,
> 20% with a minor one (activity.info upgrade, find here [3] a patch with
> all activity.info we've upgraded). Only 4 activities don't work at all.***
> *
>
>  
>
> The next step for us:
>
> **· **Fix the last issue regarding hulahop incompatibility on 3
> activities (Map, Madagascar, HelpFR),
>
> **· **Fix the TypeError issue on Colors activity,
>
> **· **Do intensive testing on XO-1 to check the performance issue
> mentioned here recently (most of our testing has been done on SoaS or
> XO-1.5),
>
> **· **Try to optimize the size of our bundle to adapt to the new
> size of free space on 12.1.0,
>
> **· **Find a new way to create our bundle. Until this year we've
> got a customization key but unfortunately it's not supported now: we can't
> deployed 63 activities, one by one on 200 XO!
>
>  
>
> I will give you news of our work but I’m happy to hear your advices.
>
>  
>
> Best regards from France.
>
>  
>
> Lionel.
>
>  
>
> P.S.: Most of this boring testing works has been done by new OLPC France
> volunteers (especially Aurélie, Alexandre and Jean). Thanks a lot to them
> for that.
>
>  
>
> [1] http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-france/2013-March/001700.html**
> **
>
> [2]
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApkC1NVMZoZodEJyNlprMFI3QUFvbE1Wd1pyWUUxcEE#gid=0
> 
>
> [3] http://olpc-france.org/download/patchs-activity.info.zip
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Network proxy, configuration

2013-03-15 Thread forster 
> > If the laptop is take home, the user would want to be able to access
> > the internet in public libraries, Macdonalds restaurants, shopping
> > malls, cafes, home etc. To do this they need to be able to disable
> > the proxy.
> 
> This might be a rarer requirement in this deployment, but it would be
> interesting to hear how much need there is for it.

James

Thanks for the background on proxies in Australian schools. 

Take home is probably a rarer requirement in Australia as you suggest. My 
understanding is that take home policy in Australia is negotiated separately in 
each community with the community leaders. I get the impression that not many 
of laptops are take home.

I am guessing that if proxies are an issue in Australia then they are an issue 
in other places in the world, maybe I am guessing wrong.

I think take home internet access is a more important issue than the raw 
numbers alone would indicate for 2 reasons:

1)The teacher should have familiarity and confidence in the laptop if they are 
going to teach effectively with it. If they cannot use it at home they are more 
likely to reject it as a 'toy' computer.

2)I think there are early indications in the research* that the area of 
learning that computers are most effective is self-directed project-based 
learning. For me this is not about whether constructivist learning is better 
than explicit instruction, I believe that both are important. Its just that 
computers are little better for instruction than a teacher with a blackboard 
but they are powerful tools for self-directed project-based learning, 
particularly when used at home.

Tony

*I can't remember the links but I think its hinted in the Peru, Uruguay and 
Chile reports. If anybody wants I can look them up.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Network proxy, configuration

2013-03-15 Thread James Cameron 
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 07:53:31AM +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> To access internet in Australian government schools you need to use
> a proxy. I am not sure if it is the same proxy for all schools in a
> state but it will definitely be a different proxy in each state. For
> this reason alone, setting the proxy in the build is a problem, you
> would need a different build in each state.

Some more history to explain to the mailing list:

Internet adoption was very quick in the Australian domestic market.

Internet adoption was very quick in Australian government schools,
with data links provided by each state government education
department, along with country government funding.  The data links
were ISDN 64kbit/sec initially.

The data links were charged by the telecommunications provider on byte
usage, so an accounting of byte usage immediately became necessary.

Sometimes, two networks exist in each school; the curriculum network,
and the administration network.  Many servers are already present;
curriculum, administration.  A library may have a server on each
network.

Each teacher and student is given a username and password for a proxy
server either at the school network boundary, or at the other end(!)
of the data link.

The username and password were valid for a semester or a year.

The proxy is responsible for content filtering and usage tracking.

Disciplinary action may also restrict the proxy access.

When XO laptops are deployed to these schools without adding a
schoolserver or changing the network design (the usual case), they
must be capable of interoperating with the environment.

There's almost no chance of altering the environment.  It is well
established and entrenched.

> If the laptop is take home, the user would want to be able to access
> the internet in public libraries, Macdonalds restaurants, shopping
> malls, cafes, home etc. To do this they need to be able to disable
> the proxy.

This might be a rarer requirement in this deployment, but it would be
interesting to hear how much need there is for it.

> Question: is if feasible to fall back to non proxy behaviour if the
> specified proxy is unable to serve webpages? There are 2 or maybe 3
> cases, an invalid url in the proxy string eg 'hello', a valid but
> unreachable url and (possibly?) a third case of a reachable url
> which does not authorise you to use it.

That would be good.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/
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[Sugar-devel] OLPC France 12.1.0 testing results

2013-03-15 Thread lionel 
Hi all,

 

We're currently preparing the 2013 mission to our Nosy Komba deployment: 150
XO-1 + 50 XO-1.5.

So, a team of volunteer have tested on 12.1.0/Sugar 0.96 our 63 activities
currently deployed there on OLPC 883/Sugar 0.94.1. 

I know it's a "hot topic" here :-) so following is the result of our test.

 

The detailed report is here [1] (in french) and the spreadsheet report is
here [2].

Results are not so bad: 71% of activities works without any adaptation, 20%
with a minor one (activity.info upgrade, find here [3] a patch with all
activity.info we've upgraded). Only 4 activities don't work at all.

 

The next step for us:

* Fix the last issue regarding hulahop incompatibility on 3
activities (Map, Madagascar, HelpFR),

* Fix the TypeError issue on Colors activity,

* Do intensive testing on XO-1 to check the performance issue
mentioned here recently (most of our testing has been done on SoaS or
XO-1.5),

* Try to optimize the size of our bundle to adapt to the new size of
free space on 12.1.0,

* Find a new way to create our bundle. Until this year we've got a
customization key but unfortunately it's not supported now: we can't
deployed 63 activities, one by one on 200 XO!

 

I will give you news of our work but I’m happy to hear your advices.

 

Best regards from France.

 

Lionel.

 

P.S.: Most of this boring testing works has been done by new OLPC France
volunteers (especially Aurélie, Alexandre and Jean). Thanks a lot to them
for that.

 

[1]  
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-france/2013-March/001700.html

[2]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApkC1NVMZoZodEJyNlprMFI3QUFvbE1
Wd1pyWUUxcEE#gid=0

[3]  
http://olpc-france.org/download/patchs-activity.info.zip

 

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity to improve collaboration in the classroom

2013-03-15 Thread James Simmons 
Gonzalo,

This sounds a bit like the Library Activity that Aleksey Lim worked on:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4089

The sharing part was supposed to be something like you would create a list
of Journal entries that you wished to share (something like a bookshelf),
and these entries would be available for download by anyone you had shared
the list with.  This functionality was supposed to be part of version 2
which never got written.

James Simmons


On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:

>  A few times, we found simple operations are not so simple for teachers in
> Sugar,
> one case is share one file with all the kids in a class, request a task to
> do
> and later get all the work done by the kids.
>
> I am working in one activity to try to solve this issue, I want share a
> prototype,
> and a few ideas around this issue.
>
> JournalShare [1] allow select a number of items in the Journal and after
> collaboration is
> established, download the files. Pending is the implementation of
> transference of files in the opposed direction. Right now,
> display only the favorite items in the journal, like Portfolio,
> but probably will allow select individual items or use tags to search.
>
> I used webkit to display the UI and a simple server to
> provide the data in JSON format. javascript in the client creates the UI.
> Using HTML and CSS allow fast and easy formating. Right now,
> the format is ugly, but will be improved later.
>
> I think we can improve this to allow adding comments or other social
> features,
> like walter proposed webservices plugins do. Other reason to use a web
> interface
> and not do the client with gtk, is allow easy migration to other future
> environments
> or allow run this in the schoolserver to access the backedup journal items.
>
> The most important thing right now is implement the transference from the
> client
> to the server, and test if can scale to have a entire class working
> together.
>
> Download a file is implemented with the downloadmanager from Browse,
> but for any reason does not show the alert when the download start
> but at the end, (probably gtk is blocking the thread or similar), is
> something to solve.
> I stolen code from other activities, like Portfolio, Read and the
> original JournalShare from Agustin. To all the developers, thanks :)
>
> Comments, ideas, bugs or patches are welcomed.
>
> Gonzalo
>
> [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/activities/JournalShare-1.xo
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[Sugar-devel] Activity to improve collaboration in the classroom

2013-03-15 Thread Gonzalo Odiard 
 A few times, we found simple operations are not so simple for teachers in
Sugar,
one case is share one file with all the kids in a class, request a task to
do
and later get all the work done by the kids.

I am working in one activity to try to solve this issue, I want share a
prototype,
and a few ideas around this issue.

JournalShare [1] allow select a number of items in the Journal and after
collaboration is
established, download the files. Pending is the implementation of
transference of files in the opposed direction. Right now,
display only the favorite items in the journal, like Portfolio,
but probably will allow select individual items or use tags to search.

I used webkit to display the UI and a simple server to
provide the data in JSON format. javascript in the client creates the UI.
Using HTML and CSS allow fast and easy formating. Right now,
the format is ugly, but will be improved later.

I think we can improve this to allow adding comments or other social
features,
like walter proposed webservices plugins do. Other reason to use a web
interface
and not do the client with gtk, is allow easy migration to other future
environments
or allow run this in the schoolserver to access the backedup journal items.

The most important thing right now is implement the transference from the
client
to the server, and test if can scale to have a entire class working
together.

Download a file is implemented with the downloadmanager from Browse,
but for any reason does not show the alert when the download start
but at the end, (probably gtk is blocking the thread or similar), is
something to solve.
I stolen code from other activities, like Portfolio, Read and the
original JournalShare from Agustin. To all the developers, thanks :)

Comments, ideas, bugs or patches are welcomed.

Gonzalo

[1] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/activities/JournalShare-1.xo
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Network proxy, configuration

2013-03-15 Thread forster 
> Hello,
> 
> I expect what Simon is asking is some more information to back up this 
> statement:
> 
> Both individual users and deployments need to be able to set a proxy for
> Sugar and activities to use.

Hi

To access internet in Australian government schools you need to use a proxy. I 
am not sure if it is the same proxy for all schools in a state but it will 
definitely be a different proxy in each state. For this reason alone, setting 
the proxy in the build is a problem, you would need a different build in each 
state.

If the laptop is take home, the user would want to be able to access the 
internet in public libraries, Macdonalds restaurants, shopping malls, cafes, 
home etc. To do this they need to be able to disable the proxy.

Question: is if feasible to fall back to non proxy behaviour if the specified 
proxy is unable to serve webpages? There are 2 or maybe 3 cases, an invalid url 
in the proxy string eg 'hello', a valid but unreachable url and (possibly?) a 
third case of a reachable url which does not authorise you to use it.

Tony
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Network proxy, configuration

2013-03-15 Thread Tony Anderson 

Hello,

I expect what Simon is asking is some more information to back up this 
statement:


Both individual users and deployments need to be able to set a proxy for
Sugar and activities to use.

Tony


On 03/15/2013 03:02 PM, Ajay Garg wrote:

The feature is the same :) , as per
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Proxy_Settings



On Friday 15 March 2013 03:28 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
 > For this Feature it would be good to have a look at the exact use
case that originated this feature
request. Activity Central worked on it, maybe they can give us details
about the request from their client to know which exact case we are
trying to solve.
 >
 > Simon


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Network proxy, configuration

2013-03-15 Thread Ajay Garg 
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Anish Mangal  wrote:

>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I believe this feature was requested to address the weird proxy
> configurations networks require in AU.
>
> We shouldn't normally expect users to have to do anything related to
> network configurations (why would you even require *them* to turn the
> radio off/on?).  This proxy config panel was made part of network-cp
> just so that people can still access network in places information has to
> be
> * either manually entered
> * proxy autoconfig url
>
> For any other scenario the user-experience should remain unchanged.
>
> My knowledge of this feature is about a year old, so take this as the
> historical perspective. I have little idea of the current state of the
> feature or its implementation.
>


The feature is the same :) , as per
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Proxy_Settings



>
> On Friday 15 March 2013 03:28 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> > For this Feature it would be good to have a look at the exact use case
> that originated this feature
> request. Activity Central worked on it, maybe they can give us details
> about the request from their client to know which exact case we are
> trying to solve.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > Am 15.03.2013 um 04:29 schrieb Tony Anderson :
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Does this mean we will need two signed images, one for the schoolserver
> >> and one for the stand-alone XO? Until now, the default configuration
> has assumed that proxy is provided by the schoolserver.
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >> On 03/14/2013 11:17 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Tony Anderson  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> This discussion is making me nervous. The standard model of the XO
> >>> has been that they are connected to the internet via the school server.
> >>> Is it proposed to set up this proxy-server as a requirement for all
> >>> XOs and for the user (primary school children) to have to manage
> >>> this even when no access to the internet is available or even when
> >>> that access is provided by the school server?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No.
> >>>
> >>> This configuration is only needed in environments where there are not
> >>> school server,
> >>> and is not possible a automatic configuration.
> >>>
> >>> Gonzalo
> >>>
> >>> Tony
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 03/14/2013 04:35 PM, sugar-devel-request@lists.__sugarlabs.org
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In other words, I can't imagine every 6-12 year old student in a
> >>> school going into the control panel and typing (without
> >>> error) a load
> >>> of proxy details. In my experience things like this are
> >>> incredibly
> >>> challenging especially because the users cannot relate to
> >>> the task at
> >>> hand (unless you want to teach them about computer networks
> >>> first).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _
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> >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/__listinfo/sugar-devel
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Network proxy, configuration

2013-03-15 Thread Anish Mangal 

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I believe this feature was requested to address the weird proxy
configurations networks require in AU.

We shouldn't normally expect users to have to do anything related to
network configurations (why would you even require *them* to turn the
radio off/on?).  This proxy config panel was made part of network-cp
just so that people can still access network in places information has to be
* either manually entered
* proxy autoconfig url

For any other scenario the user-experience should remain unchanged.

My knowledge of this feature is about a year old, so take this as the
historical perspective. I have little idea of the current state of the
feature or its implementation.

On Friday 15 March 2013 03:28 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> For this Feature it would be good to have a look at the exact use case that 
> originated this feature
request. Activity Central worked on it, maybe they can give us details
about the request from their client to know which exact case we are
trying to solve.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 15.03.2013 um 04:29 schrieb Tony Anderson :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does this mean we will need two signed images, one for the schoolserver
>> and one for the stand-alone XO? Until now, the default configuration
has assumed that proxy is provided by the schoolserver.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On 03/14/2013 11:17 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Tony Anderson >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This discussion is making me nervous. The standard model of the XO
>>> has been that they are connected to the internet via the school server.
>>> Is it proposed to set up this proxy-server as a requirement for all
>>> XOs and for the user (primary school children) to have to manage
>>> this even when no access to the internet is available or even when
>>> that access is provided by the school server?
>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> This configuration is only needed in environments where there are not
>>> school server,
>>> and is not possible a automatic configuration.
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/14/2013 04:35 PM, sugar-devel-request@lists.__sugarlabs.org
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> In other words, I can't imagine every 6-12 year old student in a
>>> school going into the control panel and typing (without
>>> error) a load
>>> of proxy details. In my experience things like this are
>>> incredibly
>>> challenging especially because the users cannot relate to
>>> the task at
>>> hand (unless you want to teach them about computer networks
>>> first).
>>>
>>>
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[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release WikipediaFR-36

2013-03-15 Thread Sugar Labs Activities 
Activity Homepage:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4540

Sugar Platform:
0.82 - 0.98

Download Now:
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURES][DESIGN] Network proxy configuration

2013-03-15 Thread Manuel Quiñones 
2013/3/14 Daniel Drake :
>
> For example, what happens if a user who is on a proxy-free network
> types "hello" into the proxy configuration textbox? Does that break
> all networking?

Yes, setting proxy mode to "Manual" then typing "hello" in the first
input breaks networking in the current implementation, as developed by
Sasha and now ported to GSettings.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Network proxy, configuration

2013-03-15 Thread Simon Schampijer 
For this Feature it would be good to have a look at the exact use case that 
originated this feature request. Activity Central worked on it, maybe they can 
give us details about the request from their client to know which exact case we 
are trying to solve.

Simon

Am 15.03.2013 um 04:29 schrieb Tony Anderson :

> Hi,
> 
> Does this mean we will need two signed images, one for the schoolserver
> and one for the stand-alone XO? Until now, the default configuration has 
> assumed that proxy is provided by the schoolserver.
> 
> Tony
> 
> On 03/14/2013 11:17 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Tony Anderson > > wrote:
>> 
>>Hi,
>> 
>>This discussion is making me nervous. The standard model of the XO
>>has been that they are connected to the internet via the school server.
>>Is it proposed to set up this proxy-server as a requirement for all
>>XOs and for the user (primary school children) to have to manage
>>this even when no access to the internet is available or even when
>>that access is provided by the school server?
>> 
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> This configuration is only needed in environments where there are not
>> school server,
>> and is not possible a automatic configuration.
>> 
>> Gonzalo
>> 
>>Tony
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On 03/14/2013 04:35 PM, sugar-devel-request@lists.__sugarlabs.org
>> wrote:
>> 
>>In other words, I can't imagine every 6-12 year old student in a
>>school going into the control panel and typing (without
>>error) a load
>>of proxy details. In my experience things like this are
>>incredibly
>>challenging especially because the users cannot relate to
>>the task at
>>hand (unless you want to teach them about computer networks
>>first).
>> 
>> 
>>_
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>>
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>> 
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