Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Sean DALY]

WIPO's Romarin database contradicts you regarding the LEGO mark.

LEGO vigorously defend infringement of their marks (
http://aboutus.lego.com/en-gb/legal-notice/fair-play).

Sean




On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Christian Stroetmann <
stroetm...@ontolab.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 27.02.2014 01:13, Bastien wrote:
>
>> Christian Stroetmann  writes:
>>
>>  For sure, there is the One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) respectively One
>>> Pad Per Child (OPPC) project by my business division intellitablet
>>> since July 2012 (see [1]).
>>>
>> A trademark is not just about adding (TM) after a bunch of other
>> trademarks.
>>
>> I doubt you officially registered "One Tablet Per Child".
>>
>> I mean... "One LEGO Laptop Per Child (TM)"... a new trademark with
>> LEGO within it, seriously?
>>
>>  You are right and wrong. Indeed, the related laws are complex and it
> needs some time and often support by an attorney for common people to
> understand them a little. So please, ask a attorney, and keep in mind that
> the terms are used commercially and are copyrighted as well. That is also
> the reason, why a said in an e-mail before, that the issue with the
> trademark is irrelevant here.
>
> The point with LEGO in a new trademark is serious.
> For example, if a registered trademark belongs to a common language, which
> is the case if the trademark is known very well by the public, like for
> example Lego, Windows, Google, Android, and so on, then the trademark laws
> say, that it can be deleted from the trademark register. Said this, I
> already doubt in this specific case that the company LEGO has still control
> over the trademark LEGO.
> Nevertheless, it was meant as a place holder and an idea contributer, if
> the company LEGO would be interested in such a One LEGO Laptop Per Child
> (TM) device on the one hand and on the other hand a mark that my company
> publicated the concept with this title. There are more points to say, but
> again ask an attorney, look at other laws, and so on, and respect my
> company's trademarks.
>
>
>
> Regards
> Christian Stroetmann
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Christian:

This is an email mailing list primarily made of volunteers.  To the best of
my knowledge no one involved with this email thread so far (including me)
is authorized to act on their own on behalf of Sugar Labs or OLPC.

Likewise, no individual you are speaking with likely can legally bind
either Sugar Labs or OLPC to an agreement.

If you wish to discussion trademarks or the rights to features, I recommend
contacting either of their legal counsels or registered agents directly.

I would further recommend that everyone hold off on saying anything else on
this email thread.  This is something for the lawyers to handle, and none
of us are legal counsel.




On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Christian Stroetmann <
stroetm...@ontolab.com> wrote:

> Hello Paul
>
>
> You wrote:
>
>> james wrote:
>>   >  On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:55:36AM +0100, Christian Stroetmann wrote:
>>   >  >  For sure, there is the One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) respectively
>> One
>>   >  >  Pad Per Child (OPPC) project by my business division intellitablet
>>   >  >  since July 2012 (see [1]).
>>   >  >  You are contracted by OLPC? So, please could you take a look and
>>   >  >  tell me when the OLPC announced their tablet computer.
>>   >
>>   >  No, I do not have access to those records.
>>   >
>>   >  Relying only on public record, http://blog.laptop.org/ the
>> multi-child
>>   >  XO Tablet manufactured by Vivitar and OLPC was announced as available
>>   >  for retail sale at Walmart.com on July 16 2013.  There was an
>>   >  announcement before that on January 9 2013 associated with CES.
>>   >
>>   >  I don't see how this is relevant to sugar-devel@ mailing list.
>>   >
>>   >  >  [1] intelliTablet Announcement One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) and One
>>   >  >  Pad Per Child (OPPC/OP²C) #1
>>   >  >  www.ontomax.com/newsarchive/2012/july.htm#17.July.2012
>>
>> from the pictures at that link, it seems to be related to the XO-3,
>> which, while under developmentd for a very long time, was never
>> released, nor produced in more than prototype quantities.  and, it was a
>> very different beast than the "XO Tablet" produced by vivitar.  (i
>> know that james knows this -- i'm just clarifying for others.)
>>
>> paul
>>
>>
>> =-
>>   paul fox, p...@laptop.org
>>
>>  Thank you for your clarification.
> Indeed, the One Tablet Per Child project was started by intelliTablet,
> because the XO-3 never came to market.
>
> But form my point of view the chronology has some more facts to list:
> 1. The OLPC developed the concept and a design study of the XO-2 in 2008.
> 2. I showed a picture of the XO-1Beta of the year 2005 on one of my
> websites [1]. Because I thought the XO-1 is already a convertible laptop
> respectively tablet laptop (see also [2]) that features a touchscreen, due
> to the reason that I confused touch pad with touchscreen, I described the
> XO-1 as "Tablet Computer Convertible One Laptop per Child (OLPC) XO-1"
> (move the mouse on the image to see the description).
> 3. The OLPC developed the concept and prototypes of the XO-3 and presented
> it on the CES in January 2012 for example.
> 4. Because the OLPC presented the XO-2 and the XO-3, but no direct
> successor of the XO-1, my business division intelliTablet came back to my
> concept of the convertible tablet computer variant of the XO-1 (see again
> point 2.) and presented it on the 17th of July 2012 and 19th of July 2012
> ([3] and [4]). The device should be an integration of the XO-1 and the
> XO-3, or said in other words, an XO-1 with a (multi-)touchscreen.
> 5. 8 days later the OLPC presented the XO-4 Touch in a press release.
> 6. Wikipedia describes the XO-4 in the following way [5]: "The XO 4 is a
> refresh of the XO 1 to 1.75 with a later ARM CPU and an optional touch
> screen."
> 7. Due to these points, I claimed in my first e-mail to this thread that
> "The One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) project is very well known by the OLPC
> headquarter as the XO-1 with touchscreen is."
>
> Maybe, some details are not correct.
>
>
>
> Have fun
> Christian Stroetmann
>
> [1] Original vs. Inspirationwww.ontomax.com/newsarchive/2010/january.htm#
> 07.January.2010
> [2] Wikipedia Laptop, subsection Convertible laptop en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Convertible_laptop#Convertible_laptop
> [3] intelliTablet Announcement One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) and One Pad Per
> Child (OPPC/OP²C) #1 www.ontomax.com/newsarchive/
> 2012/july.htm#17.July.2012
> [4] intelliTablet Announcement One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) and One Pad Per
> Child (OPPC/OP²C) #2 www.ontomax.com/newsarchive/
> 2012/july.htm#19.July.2012
> [5] Wikipedia OLPC XO-1, XO 4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XO_laptop
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Christian Stroetmann]

Hello Paul

You wrote:

james wrote:
  >  On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:55:36AM +0100, Christian Stroetmann wrote:
  >  >  For sure, there is the One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) respectively One
  >  >  Pad Per Child (OPPC) project by my business division intellitablet
  >  >  since July 2012 (see [1]).
  >  >  You are contracted by OLPC? So, please could you take a look and
  >  >  tell me when the OLPC announced their tablet computer.
  >
  >  No, I do not have access to those records.
  >
  >  Relying only on public record, http://blog.laptop.org/ the multi-child
  >  XO Tablet manufactured by Vivitar and OLPC was announced as available
  >  for retail sale at Walmart.com on July 16 2013.  There was an
  >  announcement before that on January 9 2013 associated with CES.
  >
  >  I don't see how this is relevant to sugar-devel@ mailing list.
  >
  >  >  [1] intelliTablet Announcement One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) and One
  >  >  Pad Per Child (OPPC/OP²C) #1
  >  >  www.ontomax.com/newsarchive/2012/july.htm#17.July.2012

from the pictures at that link, it seems to be related to the XO-3,
which, while under developmentd for a very long time, was never
released, nor produced in more than prototype quantities.  and, it was a
very different beast than the "XO Tablet" produced by vivitar.  (i
know that james knows this -- i'm just clarifying for others.)

paul


=-
  paul fox, p...@laptop.org


Thank you for your clarification.
Indeed, the One Tablet Per Child project was started by intelliTablet, 
because the XO-3 never came to market.


But form my point of view the chronology has some more facts to list:
1. The OLPC developed the concept and a design study of the XO-2 in 2008.
2. I showed a picture of the XO-1Beta of the year 2005 on one of my 
websites [1]. Because I thought the XO-1 is already a convertible laptop 
respectively tablet laptop (see also [2]) that features a touchscreen, 
due to the reason that I confused touch pad with touchscreen, I 
described the XO-1 as "Tablet Computer Convertible One Laptop per Child 
(OLPC) XO-1" (move the mouse on the image to see the description).
3. The OLPC developed the concept and prototypes of the XO-3 and 
presented it on the CES in January 2012 for example.
4. Because the OLPC presented the XO-2 and the XO-3, but no direct 
successor of the XO-1, my business division intelliTablet came back to 
my concept of the convertible tablet computer variant of the XO-1 (see 
again point 2.) and presented it on the 17th of July 2012 and 19th of 
July 2012 ([3] and [4]). The device should be an integration of the XO-1 
and the XO-3, or said in other words, an XO-1 with a (multi-)touchscreen.

5. 8 days later the OLPC presented the XO-4 Touch in a press release.
6. Wikipedia describes the XO-4 in the following way [5]: "The XO 4 is a 
refresh of the XO 1 to 1.75 with a later ARM CPU and an optional touch 
screen."
7. Due to these points, I claimed in my first e-mail to this thread that 
"The One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) project is very well known by the OLPC 
headquarter as the XO-1 with touchscreen is."


Maybe, some details are not correct.



Have fun
Christian Stroetmann

[1] Original vs. 
Inspirationwww.ontomax.com/newsarchive/2010/january.htm#07.January.2010
[2] Wikipedia Laptop, subsection Convertible laptop 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convertible_laptop#Convertible_laptop
[3] intelliTablet Announcement One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) and One Pad 
Per Child (OPPC/OP²C) #1 
www.ontomax.com/newsarchive/2012/july.htm#17.July.2012
[4] intelliTablet Announcement One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) and One Pad 
Per Child (OPPC/OP²C) #2 
www.ontomax.com/newsarchive/2012/july.htm#19.July.2012

[5] Wikipedia OLPC XO-1, XO 4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XO_laptop
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Bastien]

All this is completely off-topic on this list and I'm personally done
with the good laugh I had, so I suggest we move to something else.

Thanks,

-- 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Christian Stroetmann]

Hi Lionel


2014-02-27 9:29 GMT+01:00 Christian Stroetmann >:


Nevertheless, it was meant as a place holder and an idea
contributer, if the company LEGO would be interested in such a One
LEGO Laptop Per Child (TM) device on the one hand and on the other
hand a mark that my company publicated the concept with this
title. There are more points to say, but again ask an attorney,
look at other laws, and so on, and respect my company's trademarks.


Funny.
So I suggest that you register a new trademark in your list:

   "You've got the idea, We've got the trademark"

I don't think I'm wrong if I say that it's basically what your job is.

 Lionel.


You are not quite right with your statements.
In fact, if we create an idea, a concept, a technique, a technology, or 
something else, then we directly create the marketing story and the 
label respectively trademark as well as part of a Product Lifecycle 
Management (PLM). This is common practice in many fields, like design, 
engineering, and so on.
Also, my job is basically not only these tasks listed above, because 
someone and also we have to research and develop, invent, document, 
design, draw, publicate, keep an eye on the laws, take action against 
fraudsters, who are living from the ideas of others, and many other 
tasks to do.

Said this, the correct suggestion would have been:

   "We've got the idea. We've got the trademark too."



Regards
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Lionel Laské]

2014-02-27 9:29 GMT+01:00 Christian Stroetmann :
>
> Nevertheless, it was meant as a place holder and an idea contributer, if
> the company LEGO would be interested in such a One LEGO Laptop Per Child
> (TM) device on the one hand and on the other hand a mark that my company
> publicated the concept with this title. There are more points to say, but
> again ask an attorney, look at other laws, and so on, and respect my
> company's trademarks.
>


Funny.
So I suggest that you register a new trademark in your list:

   "You've got the idea, We've got the trademark"

I don't think I'm wrong if I say that it's basically what your job is.

 Lionel.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Christian Stroetmann]

On Thu, 27.02.2014 01:13, Bastien wrote:

Christian Stroetmann  writes:


For sure, there is the One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) respectively One
Pad Per Child (OPPC) project by my business division intellitablet
since July 2012 (see [1]).

A trademark is not just about adding (TM) after a bunch of other
trademarks.

I doubt you officially registered "One Tablet Per Child".

I mean... "One LEGO Laptop Per Child (TM)"... a new trademark with
LEGO within it, seriously?

You are right and wrong. Indeed, the related laws are complex and it 
needs some time and often support by an attorney for common people to 
understand them a little. So please, ask a attorney, and keep in mind 
that the terms are used commercially and are copyrighted as well. That 
is also the reason, why a said in an e-mail before, that the issue with 
the trademark is irrelevant here.


The point with LEGO in a new trademark is serious.
For example, if a registered trademark belongs to a common language, 
which is the case if the trademark is known very well by the public, 
like for example Lego, Windows, Google, Android, and so on, then the 
trademark laws say, that it can be deleted from the trademark register. 
Said this, I already doubt in this specific case that the company LEGO 
has still control over the trademark LEGO.
Nevertheless, it was meant as a place holder and an idea contributer, if 
the company LEGO would be interested in such a One LEGO Laptop Per Child 
(TM) device on the one hand and on the other hand a mark that my company 
publicated the concept with this title. There are more points to say, 
but again ask an attorney, look at other laws, and so on, and respect my 
company's trademarks.




Regards
Christian Stroetmann

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [b2g] Introducing B2G to x86

[Christian Stroetmann]

On Thu, 27.02.2014 00:57, James Cameron wrote:


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:40:34AM +0100, Christian Stroetmann wrote:

On Wed, 26.02.2014 22:30, James Cameron wrote:


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:33:52PM +0100, Christian Stroetmann wrote:

On Wed, 26.02.2014 22:30, James Cameron wrote:

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:02:36PM +0100, Christian Stroetmann wrote:

The One Tablet Per Child (OTPC) project is very well known by the OLPC
headquarter as the XO-1 with touchscreen is.

The XO-1 never had a touchscreen, and I'm not aware of any OTPC project.


Because OLPC simply called it XO-4.

No, it is called XO-4 Touch, and is not a tablet, but a laptop.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-4_Touch


Are you the OLPC headquarter?

I am contracted by them and work closely with them, and have for many
years.


I'm sorry to say, but now I'm totally confused:

Perhaps this is a language barrier.  Can you access a translator?


On Thu, 27.02.2014 00:01, James Cameron wrote to laptop.org:


An Android 4.3.1 (Jelly Bean) build for the XO-4 laptop.

OLPC is preparing an Android, Sugar and Gnome dual-boot system for the
XO-4.
No, it is just a syntactical problem and hence no translator is needed 
at all. Look above:
You said that the XO-4 is called XO-4 Touch by OLPC, but then you wrote 
in another e-mail on the mailing-list of the OLPC about an XO-4. I'm 
confused, because after your kind explanations I do know now that there 
is a device called XO-4 Touch by OLPC, but not an XO-4. Could it be that 
the OLPC simply call the XO-4 Touch XO-4?

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