Re: [Sugar-devel] Problems starting the XO

2012-09-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Ajay Garg wrote: > May be this could be improved sometime in the future :) Fix the packaging, and don't use --force. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny s

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problems starting the XO

2012-09-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Ajay Garg wrote: > Thanks Chris and Mikus for the replies. Hi Ajay, please ansert cjb's question. It has a good chance of leading to your answer. What deps are you ignoring? Why --force? Also -- /var/log/olpc-dm* logs are likely to have important info. Please pos

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Benjamin Berg wrote: > Disclaimer: I have not read the entire discussion. and you've missed a bit :-) > So, in Sugar we are mixing python unicode strings, and utf-8 encoded No. We have been _temporarily_ mixing Python unicode UTF-8 with ASCII strings. We used t

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Manuel Kaufmann wrote: > Take a look at this. Following what I understood from your email, if I ... We are veering far far offtopic from the subject. But string encoding is an important topic, so I'll go offtopic. > [humitos@michifus ~]$ cat test.py > #!/usr/bin/

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:40 AM, S. Daniel Francis wrote: > So, the Python strings can be encoded in a Unicode compatible charset > like utf-8, the Python Unicode type is a way to encode a string if you > don't like to add a header and the recommended way to work in the > program internally, so y

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > I think the reason this worked in gtk2 activities is that importing > gtk had this side effect (it's in the pango module really) > > /* set the default python encoding to utf-8 */ > PyUnicode_SetDefaultEncoding("utf-8"); Oh, can you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Manuel Kaufmann wrote: > Oh, it's OK. I agree with the result. Now, let's check what Python say > if I use my default encoding (UTF8) for this simple task: > len("camión") > 7 CAREFUL HERE. You don't understand what is happening -- it is not as simple as you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:18 PM, S. Daniel Francis wrote: >>> strings as Unicode and encode them as utf-8? I think there are too few >>> cases when an activity gets translated strings and needs to work >>> directly with unicode. >> >> >> Probably because you do not speak chinese or any other asian

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:15 PM, S. Daniel Francis wrote: > I look some people is needing to know more about Unicode: Hi danielf, one thing to keep in mind is that UTF-8 is one of the possible ways to represent Unicode data. We will, most of the time, use UTF-8 mixed up with straight old ASCII.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Manuel Kaufmann wrote: > To get Unicode strings from gettext I had to put these lines in my > lesssonscreen.py file: > > import gettext > gettext.install('po', unicode=True) Awright. Seems like gettext hasn't realized that it's 2012 and defaults to using codepage

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simulate mouse click

2012-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Rodrigo Pérez Fulloni wrote: > Hi, I'm developing an accessibility activity to move the mouse with > alternative methods. I already have one developed, hMouse. But then and now > I can't find a way to simulate the mouse click, pygame hasn't the ability > and I can

Re: [Sugar-devel] Engadget post on XO Touch

2012-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Mike Lee wrote: > Here's a cool demo of the Neonode multitouch frame: > http://www.slashgear.com/neonode-3d-touch-headed-to-tablets-and-phones-hands-on-28215933/ > Not only multi-touch, but also entry direction and tilt. For a dollar! Not all devices using Neonod

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Patch written for "Presence not updated, when client disconencts from telepathy-salut"

2012-07-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: >> So perhaps Telepathy-Salut should be told to contact its known nodes >> regularly, and prune stale entries? > Don't know if that would make a difference, because either ways, a machine > would send a (polling) signal to all the machines on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch written for "Presence not updated, when client disconencts from telepathy-salut"

2012-07-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > More update (from Avahi) : > http://www.mail-archive.com/avahi@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01896.html So perhaps Telepathy-Salut should be told to contact its known nodes regularly, and prune stale entries? As they state, mDNS & DNS-SD are in use

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch written for "Presence not updated, when client disconencts from telepathy-salut"

2012-07-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Ajay Garg wrote: > Just sent them a notification :) Ok, that's a start. > Reason is that, because "avahi-daemon" requires "avahi-core" to complete its > linking process, whereas "avahi-core" would need "avahi-daemon" to complete > its linking process (since the t

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch written for "Presence not updated, when client disconencts from telepathy-salut"

2012-07-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > The patch link was embedded later into the email :: > http://people.sugarlabs.org/ajay/root/freedesktop_bug_51501/common-patch-for-f14-and-f17/customize-avahi-default-ttl-values.patch Ah, thanks! Have you shown this patch to Avahi hackers? Avah

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch written for "Presence not updated, when client disconencts from telepathy-salut"

2012-07-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > I have written a patch for "Avahi", that solves the bugs > > [UPSTREAM] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3748 > [DOWNSTREAM]   http://dev.laptop.org.au/issues/1332 Thanks for working on this. Neither link has a patch. Where is the patch,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Running "pulseaudio" and "alsa" together.

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Ajay, we install the bits for PA (due to dependencies), but disable it. Look at olpc-os-builder; git grep for pulse -- that will show you how we disable it. Alsa is always present and in use. When you are using PA, PA connects to alsa and uses it directly. Nomal programs then connect to PA (in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Terminal-38

2012-06-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > The offered version in ASLO is based on the browser User Agent, only > in Browse GTK+3 you will get activities that claim 0.96. Right, so I am on Fedora 16 on my non-XO laptop, so it is using some fallback logic. Anyway, can the activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Terminal-38

2012-06-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > Gonzalo Odiard writes: > >> I think is not a good idea publish a activity with serious regressions like >> this. > > +1 > > Anyone interested in the current state of development can clone the git ASLO allows to mark it "experimental", and thi

[Sugar-devel] Random notes on WebOS's Enyo

2012-05-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
There's been recent discussions about running HTML5 "apps" in Sugar and/or the OLPC OS, just like WebOS does. A bit earlier today on irc... (slightly edited for clarity) [12:21:29] cjb: hp's webos team has apparently been hired en bloc by google [12:21:45] http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/24/3042

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH olpc-netutils] Change mode of "logtemp" files to be able to remove them OLPC #11851

2012-05-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Manuel Kaufmann wrote: > This is a workaround to be able to remove the files copied by > "olpc-log" to a temporal directory. Thanks! Applied, added the BZ# to the inline comment, pushed, cheers, m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software A

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > Don't think OOB is used to generate the initramfs, from the kernel spec > file: You are correct as to current state of play. It _used_ to be generated during the OOB run. Now it is build during the kernel build. This makes things rather trick

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > I tried the "rmmod/modprobe" hack in "olpc-configure", and it worked > (obviously because, this time the "/etc.modprobe.d/libertas.conf" could be > fetched/read from persistent storage). Mesh-icons were no more visible in > the neighborhood-view

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ajay Garg wrote: > If I boot with "/security/develop.sig" folder in my pendrive, > a) > mesh-icons are observed in neighborhood-view, both during reboot and > resume-from-suspend. Welcome to the initramfs stage of your journey! When the laptop needs activation, it

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Atencion: problemas de compatibilidad de actividades con SO 0.94

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hola Aura, copiando a la lista de desarrolladores Sugar. Sabes qué versiones son las actividades que no arrancan? Has probado de bajar la versión mas reciente de http://activities.sugarlabs.org/ ? un abrazo, m -- Forwarded message -- From: Aura Mora - OLPC Colombia Date: 2012/

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did "write to Journal anytime / kill modal naming dialog" land in 0.96?

2012-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Please try it in os9 > We first implemented it in gtk3 activities only, > later backported it to gtk2 branch to have it available for all the > activities. Oh, cool! Thanks! Does that mean that the modal dialog goes away? cheers, m --  

[Sugar-devel] Did "write to Journal anytime / kill modal naming dialog" land in 0.96?

2012-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi folks, looking at recent builds (os8 on XO-1.75), I tried to demo the "write to Journal anytime" feature (and disappearance of the modal name-this-journal-entry dialog). I failed on both counts. Couldn't write metadata to the Journal... except when the modal dialog appeared :-( According to t

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > I believe that the number of packets being forwarded in this, would be > (much) less than in the scenario when the users are actually connected to a > mesh-network-channel. > Kindly affirm/reject my above notion :) I am a very pragmatic man, I w

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > Good News. > > I managed to get this working (albeit via changes in sugar). > > The details are at :: > http://git.sugarlabs.org/dextrose/mainline/commit/4ac1a5300f4c43608b0f009a23d966d404a15632 The patch seems fairly wrong to me. You are hiding

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > In one of the earlier mails, it was said that the mac address for "msh0" is > the same as "eth0". Ah, sorry, you're correct, that won't help. So your options are - a kernel module parameter, as Jon proposes, in modprobe.d/ or in the boot comma

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Martin Abente wrote: > I think (guessing by the responses) the original problem here is that, if > you disable the mesh AFTER NM has taken the device, NM crashes. This a > regression bug, considering that this didn't happened in fedora-11 based > builds. The timing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > The /etc/powerd/postresume.d/disable_mesh.sh  doesn't work. So we need to understand why it does not work. Is it a race condition? Perhaps it is better fixed as a udev script -- triggering when the device appears. The step that disable_mesh perf

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > I agree. But there is no working lower-level solution :\ Let's fix that. Messing with Sugar won't help you. Earlier in the thread someone pointed to you the scripts to trigger on resume (by powerd). Do those work? Not work? What's the problem th

Re: [Sugar-devel] Wanting to know a bit of (NetworkManager) workflow upon resume-from-suspend

2012-05-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Ajay Garg wrote: > Just that, we do not wish to set up a mesh-network, as per say. I think you are missing the background reason here. AFAIK, reasons to disable mesh network on XO-1: - Mesh can easily saturate RF, so dense usage scenarios (schools!) benefit from

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Browse] Allow 'Up' key in the drop-down list of suggested pages SL #3473

2012-04-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Apr 28, 2012 2:39 PM, "Manuel Kaufmann" wrote: > * https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660018 That looks pretty straightforward. Let's see what Peter says :-) > Another comment. When you apply the patch it fails because it seems > the file with the test case has been modified since th

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Browse] Allow 'Up' key in the drop-down list of suggested pages SL #3473

2012-04-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Manuel Kaufmann wrote: > How is the process in Fedora 16 to download a .rpm from it sources and > re-build it again? There's a few ways based on srpms, but here's what I do, which is a bit different but easier. - install fedpkg -- it's a wrapper around git, as f

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Help v3] Migrated to Gtk3 and WebKit.WebView SL #3466

2012-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
2012/4/25 Manuel Kaufmann : > Yes, I think this discussion IS important. Some things have technical reasons, and some are just style :-) Journalists write in the style of the newspaper or magazine they are writing for -- I try my best to follow style on any codebase I work on both on the things t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar] Don't treat SSID as UTF-8 character sequence (fixes SL#2023)

2012-04-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Thanks for the patch, looks good. I tested here with my AP that does > announce in non utf-8 char and it works fine. Cool! Great stuff. What does your funny-chars AP read like in the UI with this patch? We have the short term fix, and n

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar] Create a default unencrypted keyring, OLPC #10290

2012-04-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Not off the top of my head, it took a lot of googleing to find it but > basically it moves what we currently do in OOB, with a few tweaks, to Quick nitpick here: It's not OOB, but olpc-configure, part of olpc-utils. IOWs, not at image bui

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar] Don't treat SSID as UTF-8 character sequence (fixes SL#2023)

2012-04-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Had a quick read through the patch, looks good. Same here. Thanks Sascha for this! There is only one thing that still worries me. According to the spec, the ESSID may also contain nulls in the middle of the array. I don't know how NM handles

Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1

2012-04-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:06 AM, David Leeming wrote: > A few stumbling blocks for me; > > (1) the two localinstall commands below each need Internet connections to > succeed on a fresh install, or the error is "cannot retrieve repository > metadata". Correct. This is the preparation stage, where

Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1

2012-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, David Leeming wrote: > My current procedure with Internet connection is as follows start from a fresh install on an XO yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-free-stable.rpm yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-nonfree-stable.rpm yum install yum-utils (may

Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1

2012-04-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:51 AM, David Leeming wrote: > I am interested in trying this out, as I am going to be doing some teacher > training workshops in remote PNG areas where there is no Internet access. the quickest, surest path is use yumdownloader --resolve to grab all the rpms, and have the

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC:Simple Help widget for activities

2012-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
2012/3/8 Manuel Quiñones : > Here is a mockup I did for the same activity with this ideas: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/simple_help_mock.png I really like this work track. Manuel and Gonzalo's proposed examples are, IMO, good to be options for activities. The central goal is _a starting place

Re: [Sugar-devel] Some questions about "root" and "olpc" logins.

2012-03-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ajay Garg wrote: > I just compared the "root" and "olpc" logins functioning on os883.img, and > my F14 laptop; and I am curious about the following things :: You can lock down access to root in the OS image. For that, and other customizations, you will want to mak

Re: [Sugar-devel] Implode activity patches, maintainership and release

2012-03-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Joe, do will an XO-1.75 be a good testing environment? :-) It's easy to apply for one... cheers, m On Mar 11, 2012 3:34 PM, wrote: > Hi Manuel, > > Sorry, I've been meaning to review the patches, but I haven't had time to > get a testing environment set up. I've added you to the repo, so y

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora Sugar Test Day - Test case content, location

2012-02-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > So we need to come up with a location & design that has a set of test cases s/need/could try to/ -- don't let yak shaving get in the way of the actual goal. IOWs, the current status is imperfect, but it doesn't block you in the least from

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting Journal entries off an XO at the end of a project?

2012-01-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
option, I can write up the Moodle procedure in detail. hth, m { Martin Langhoff - one laptop per child } On Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM, "Christoph Derndorfer" < christoph.derndor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I just spoke to the teacher of our small Austrian pilot projec

Re: [Sugar-devel] Free Terminal?

2012-01-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Terminal is currently hidden by default on many builds.  How about unhiding > it or replacing it with an activity that offers more of an intro to the > command line? > It is an important tool for understanding how your computer works. But it

[Sugar-devel] Happy Holidays & fruitful break

2011-12-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
{ Martin Langhoff - one laptop per child } ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Ad-hoc networking - automatically selecting the best channel

2011-12-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > My understanding is the Sugar's ad-hoc automatically defaults to > channel 1. Would it be possible for the client (XO or otherwise) to > automatically pick the best channel (1, 6 or 11) based on prevailing > interference levels? For the

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Paul Fox wrote: >  - hitting "brightness down" one more time when at level 0 will >    switch to mono.  users that use auto-repeat to get there probably >    won't see a difference. ... > - sunlight-driven auto-turnoff will go all the way to 0, but won't >inv

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Hi folks -- I was one of the early commenters on this. And Paul gave > me a, ahem, strong recommendation. All caps. Neon lights, blinking: > >        TRY IT OUT ON AN XO-1.75 Do it with the 11.3.1/os13 I announced earlier.

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > And when *pgf* types in all caps, you *know* it's serious. :-) -- actually, he didn't go that far. But I lack his subtlety so I went for it guns ablazing. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  -

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Paul Fox wrote: > i've already had some guarded negative feedback on both of these > new behaviors, so i'm looking for more of that, as well as positive > feedback to balance it out.  :-) Hi folks -- I was one of the early commenters on this. And Paul gave me a, a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Reminder of GTK3 plans

2011-10-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > This weekend, several of us are meeting in Prague for Sugar/GTK3 hacking: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/Gtk3_Hackfest_2011 Yay! Enjoy Prague, hack a lot! m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Soft

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adding git to Sugar platform?

2011-10-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Gary Martin wrote: > Just to clarify, as yum install git is about the first thing I do (closely > followed by yum install vim and pylint) on a fresh XO install I remembered to > take a note of the install size – for the current olpc candidate 882 build, > yum r

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing

2011-10-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Oct 6, 2011 6:28 PM, "Cherry Withers" wrote: > Could you please shed a light on which manuals in FlossManuals make up the > Help Activity? Some of us who will be jumping in to refresh it don't know much about > the history. To be honest, I don't really know. Here's what I know: - open the he

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing

2011-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> Right, here I am not sure if you have seen:  the current Help activity >> is a combination of several floss manuals mixed together. And it looks >> like it may have some tweaks and customizations. > > Quoting a contemporary thinker "we can

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing

2011-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> As for the use of FLOSSManuals as the source and L10n workflow for the >> Help Activity, sadly, I think the more pressing challenge may be the >> lack of documentation of the process employed by Seth and his >> collaborators in the original

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing

2011-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Chris Leonard wrote: >> AFAIK FLOSSManuals software infra is being worked on, and that ... > By no means should my *critique* of FLOSSManuals L10n be taken for > *criticism* of FLOSSManuals,  As both a community and a tool, they Oh, all I meant is that maybe they

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing

2011-10-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Chris Leonard wrote: > L10n of long-form content is an area where I think there are some > excellent bits and pieces, but I'm not convinced that there is a > really nice end-to-end solution yet.  I think very highly of > FLOSSManuals as a book publishing platform, b

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing

2011-10-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Chris Leonard wrote: > In any refresh of the XO manual (Help Activity),  I would very much > appreciate if some structural choices could be made to facilitate the > internationalization of the text Agreed on the general goal. My understanding is that the Help activ

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing

2011-10-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Tabs! that's great! Here's an idea: I was looking at recently at the FLOSS Manuals manuals for Sugar and activities... and they are a bit dated -- they cover Sugar 0.86 or so. Screens have changed quite a bit :-) and some procedures are much simpler (ad hoc networking for example). And the FLO

Re: [Sugar-devel] TA Lego WeDo plugin -- review and notes

2011-09-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Ian Daniher wrote: > Martin - any interest in resuming packaging of WeDoMore? Sure! but I'm pretty busy ATM w XO-1.75 ~ so my pace might be somewhat... leisurely :-) cheers. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Browse: tabs usability improved

2011-09-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Manuel, happy with this overall -- one comment... On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > When a new tab is opened, it now shows an empty page, not the default > page.  In the future, we will add a hint in this empty page, similar > to what we have for an empty Journal. Inst

[Sugar-devel] ~/Documents icon present in Journal - even if empty?

2011-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
Looking at os41 on XO-1.75, which has latest Sugar. I see the icon for the ~/Documents folder even though it's empty. Intended? Should we (cheaply) check for empty? I switched to GNOME briefly yesterday, but no files were created. cheers, m --  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  

Re: [Sugar-devel] turtle art and lego

2011-08-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hola Jose, search the archives of this list for messages from me and Emiliano on this topic. I have not been able to continue hacking on this area (XO-1.75 has me busy!) but Emiliano may have been able to continue. m On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Jose Prous wrote: > Hello I'm José Prous

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-toolkit] Remove the Keep button from the activity toolbar

2011-08-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Thanks for the review! > After general consensus pushed as: > http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-toolkit/mainline/commit/0082e10f8ebc201d0837dc67ba739d9079903e45 Great! m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Archit

[Sugar-devel] Contributors program - test and develop on XO-1.75 B1 prototypes

2011-07-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hello developers! Are you programming on XO hardware today? Working on Sugar core or activities? Porting Fedora or other distros to ARM? As I write this, XO-1.75 B1 prototypes are being assembled 20 meters away from me. These are engineering samples -- some will go to drop tests and mechanical an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar] Gabble: do not add ourself to the model twice OLPC #10965

2011-07-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Thanks Martin for the information. Do you have a specific ticket about it? > More info on the ejabber version? did some digging on this. The first upstream release to have the correct implementation of @online@ is v2.1.7 . OLPC's XS rele

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar] Gabble: do not add ourself to the model twice OLPC #10965

2011-07-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Sun Jun 26 15:19:49 +0200 2011: > >> We do add ourself to the model by default. When we are connected >> to the server it often gives us as well ourself back. > > I wonder why some servers do this, bu

Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential data loss problem in collaboration

2011-06-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Sridhar, Simon is doing a lot of work in this area -- please do file this in dev.l.o. The steps to repro are good, just add precise versions of the OS and the affected activities. cheers, m On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > We have found a problem that could le

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse and the move to WebKit

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Did you test epiphany? I think that would give you a pretty decent > idea of what is achievable without putting work into WebKit itself. Not in a while. Earlier builds on Ubuntu were very unstable and buggy. Just installed on F15 - w

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse and the move to WebKit

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > With WebKit2, this all you need to load a web page into a GtkBox So that's my understanding of WebKit -- it's easily embeddable. I am not sure whether the API is as complete or as good as we want it. IOWs, it's likely not a trivial j

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Sugar Server project initiation announce

2011-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:44 PM, David Farning wrote: > You are 100% correct in these criticisms and concerns about Activity Central. > We > are a new company working in a new market. Failures and mistakes are > inevitable. > If you have been hurt by those mistakes, I apologize and accept full

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Server project initiation announce

2011-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > In fact, the project started three weeks ago but for now some of its core > purposes became more clear, ie, ready for announcing. You guys are *weird*. I've been hearing from AC for a while that you'd help with XS, in private, and in grandiloq

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Sur] La bestia que renace una y otra vez

2011-05-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > Trying to distil the actual complaints: Trying to help as a native Spanish speaker... nanonano's points are simpler - The Journal is $%@%$^ - The Journal / having to enter or use metadata complicates our life. - So many entries (many u

[Sugar-devel] Trac spam from OLPC team doing some triage for 11.2.0

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
We're doing some triage of bugs - mainly on dev.l.o but some on dev.sl.org, so you may see lots of activity in your inbox. If anything looks wrong, please let us know. We're trying our best to get a picture and workable roadmap for an upcoming release... across a long list of bugs. We may misread

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > Interesting. Does WebDAV work as a normal mount, like CIFS or NFS? >From the PoV of the user, yes, it looks like a mountpoint. Technically, you can mount it at the linux kernel level, at the gnome IO libraries level, or from Sugar, with

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:12 AM, wrote: > why not use Moodle or Sharepoint or Blackboard? Yeah - there's an easy-installation Moodle package. That's what I'd go with. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting questions  - don't get dist

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] adding $HOME/Documents to the volumes toolbar

2011-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Rodolfo D. Arce S. wrote: > I was wondering if you had considered if the Documents folder is translated. > I know that gnome when changing the default language for the user sometimes > renames the folders ("Documents" -> "Documentos, "Download" -> "Descargas", > et

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Martin Abente wrote: > I still didn't make up my mind about which technical approach should I > take in order to get this working, but I guess people already started > sharing some ideas. And I would appreciate more ideas and discussion > before I get to that point

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] deregister laptops

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:32 PM, James Cameron wrote: > I think removing the gconf values is the most effective workaround, but > really, include sugar-devel@ since it's a Sugar question. And 2 Sugar bugs - the command to de-register is broken :-/ - there is no friendly GUI means to de-regist

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Sridhar, I don't fully understand your scenario. You say an XS is not an option... but I thought you were using XS, with Jerry's help? If you are using XS, you can use Moodle. If there is no XS, then any webbased tool that offers a file upload form to post a file to share will work. You can

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] XO power management hindering collaboration

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > This is with OLPC OS 10.1.3 (XO-AU 10.1.3-au2 - we haven't made any > changes that would affect reliability of collaboration). The XOs were > registered and using an XS. > > I've reported this at http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10878 thank

Re: [Sugar-devel] hashlib instead sha

2011-05-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:05 PM, James Cameron wrote: > So I'm surprised it wasn't already fixed in your image based on 0.92. > Could you check what version of sugar-toolkit you have installed? I think Guillermo's image is actually based on 10.1.x -- so Sugar 0.84 based. cheers, m --  martin.l

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: [IAEP] GPLv3

2011-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Gabriel Eirea wrote: > Fact 1: in Plan Ceibal the XO 1.0 and XO 1.5-HS don't provide access > to root. Yes, but as Walter indicates, I understand it is allowed in newer OSs. In any case I am aware of efforts to make it available. > This means that Sugar can't be

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > To me, one of the more compelling arguments for considering GPLv3 is > "When the Rules Are Broken: A Smooth Path to Compliance". Interesting! I hadn't thought it'd be so awkward, but if one is to be 100% formal, you need to do something lik

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: [IAEP] GPLv3

2011-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > Likewise, Sugar Labs has an obligation to act on all GPL violations > reported on Sugar Labs copyrighted code. But we cannot act on our own > if we do not hold copyright. Minor technical note here -- SL has a right, but (surprisingly) no obl

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
-23 at 03:38 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> What is done with said code was never the business of GPLv2. GPLv3 >> starts getting its nose into the "how it is used" side. > Wait a moment: neither the GPLv2 nor the GPLv3 has ever put any > limitation on the way you can *use

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPL non-compliance, was Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] GPLv3

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Folks -- one thing we need to be in good intellectual shape to handle loaded questions. Everyone here probably knows them well, but I just re-read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question and it was rather refreshing and useful. In general, if you don't know much about a topic, it is a g

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPL non-compliance, was Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] GPLv3

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka > wrote: >> Walter, I am too dumb to know the full ins and outs of this.  I also have >> been advised that I should not mess with this because (as I understood it) Yama, please inform you

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Murder? You bet! And this isn't hard to get over. Easy. Oops. Not easy to get over. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting questions  - don't get distracted wit

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> I sure wish that GPLv3 was limited to those bugfixes, and the >> anti-tivo wording was segregatd to a new license; a bit like some >> clauses were split off to the Affero-GPL. > > The GPL always has been about protecting the famous Four F

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Yes, you seem to be confused Bernie.  You can redistribute under a > license however you like, usually without explicitly stating it.  But > if you alter the source files or replace COPYING, you are *changing > the license*.  That is a di

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Authors can express their intentions through a license. If you didn't > want your code to be redistributed under a later versions of the GPL, > then why didn't you distribute as GPLv2-only? On a personal note here... programmers that like

Re: [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > The oversight board is considering a motion to upgrade the license of > Sugar from "GPLv2 or later" to "GPLv3 or later". Before proceeding to a > vote, we'd like to request feedback from the community. Interesting. (Bad timing though -- w

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

2011-04-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > PCs and Linux machines yes. But... there still lots of issues with Macs and > so far it does not work with the older G4 Power PC Macs (EToys to go does!). Does Android run on your G4 PPC Mac?? Or is this all random talk? m --  martin.la

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