from:"S. Daniel Francis"

Hi Gary,
One time we received a patch by Flavio Danesse. He removed the line
which is causing an error[1], but he didn't say what did his patch do,
so it was not applied.

I'll follow the ticket and wait for my XO-4.

Thanks for testing.
~danielf

[1] vt.feed(l + '\r\n')

2012/10/10 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com:
 On 10 Oct 2012, at 13:23, Gary Martin garycmar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Guys,

 Thanks for the new release, very happy to have the great Tabs now in 
 Terminal!! :)

 Could you make sure and push the source code changes back up to the main git 
 repository (git.sugarlabs.org)? I've just been looking there to see what 
 changed between v40 and v41 as Terminal-41 is failing [1] on XO-4 hardware, 
 though it works fine on the XO-1.75 and I'm trying to diagnose the problem. 
 The previous Terminal-40 release works fine on the XO-4 – so I'm currently 
 trying to dig my way through the .xo bundles to see what changed ;)

 Just a quick update. Looks like it is the resume (load of previous Terminal 
 state) and state saving in Terminal-41 that's broken, nothing to do with the 
 XO-4 (just that I had saved state resuming from Terminal-40 that was causing 
 Terminal-41 to hang at startup). I've updated the ticket.

 Regards,
 --Gary

 Regards,
 --Gary

 [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4020

 On 10 Oct 2012, at 03:13, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com wrote:



 On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez 
 a...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Yes Rafa, thanks for releasing it...

 El 09/10/2012 20:03, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org escribió:
 2012/10/9 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com:
 Release notes:

 * Initial GTK3 release (Port by S. Daniel Francis
 fran...@sugarlabs.org,Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org).
 * Adding summary, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com
 * Testing by Flavio Danesse fdane...@activitycentral.com
 * Same tabs as Browse. (Also fill all the allowed space correctly.)

 Thanks for releasing it, Rafael.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Terminal-41

2012/10/10 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org:
 Yes!  They work great.  Thanks Dani!  I think we now need a maximun
 number of tabs, after than that the tabs should be scrolled with
 buttons.

Gtk does it automatically.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Terminal-41

2012/10/10 Coltivare Fiori coltivarefi...@connettivo.net:
 I updated the Terminal Activity to version 41 on Sugar 0.96.1 and it
 failed to start.

We already received a report.
Try removing the Journal entries of Terminal, and then open the new
version. Else, would be well received a log in this mailing list or in
bugs.sugarlabs.org .
Those logs are in ~/.sugar/default/logs/ or in the Log activity. You
can find the log for a specific activity by its bundle id. In the case
of Terminal, the bundle id is org.laptop.Terminal

See you,
Daniel.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Terminal-41

2012/10/10 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 This activity is compatible with sugar = 0.98
A small correction. Works in = 0.96 .
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: GNOME Games split

2012-10-09 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/10/9 Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com:
 Just FYI, I thought this change might be of general interest.
Thank you, Chris.
I was just thinking in sugarize Gnome-Sudoku which is written in Python.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Terminal-41

2012-10-09 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/10/9 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com:
 Release notes:

 * Initial GTK3 release (Port by S. Daniel Francis
 fran...@sugarlabs.org,Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org).
 * Adding summary, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com
 * Testing by Flavio Danesse fdane...@activitycentral.com
* Same tabs as Browse. (Also fill all the allowed space correctly.)

Thanks for releasing it, Rafael.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Call to Activities Maintainers! Summary info

2012-10-04 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/25 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 Hi Activities maintainers,
 In the next Sugar version, a summary will be displayed in the activities
 list,
 instead of the installation time.

I'm sad hearing that.
Sugar gave children the possibility/need to explore and discover the
aim and functionality of each activity. (Tested by myself.) I think
this is a really well planned thing in Sugar.
Is really needed a summary in this educational environment?

Cheers,
Daniel Francis.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork] Set height for all the GtkNotebook tabs

2012-09-27 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/27 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org:
 Hey Dani,

 2012/9/26 S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org:
 2012/9/26 Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org:
 +padding-top: $(icon_large * 0.30)px;
 +padding-bottom: $(icon_large * 0.30)px;

 I spoke too early, this solution doesn't work as expected with tab
 close buttons. Ooops!

 :)  I think the way to do it is setting top and bottom padding to the
 label inside the tab.
Thanks for the tip. :)

  But we have to find the exact number to make
 the tab the same tall when it has only labels
 and when it has labels and buttons.

 Maybe start using the same as the button padding wich is $(border)px
 and add a bit of salt.

In my patch I used the icon size, but there's to test which is better.

Regards,
Daniel.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Chage in filter in home view

2012-09-26 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/26 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com:
 Behaviour (1) was rejected, as a search query doesn't often make sense in
 all views (searching for an AP or Buddy in Neighbourhood is not much use
 when you switch to the Home Favourites view).

And when you open an activity and return to the home view?
Developing and testing, when I use the home list view and use the
filter to find my activity, I have to write the activity name all the
times I need to run it...
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Chage in filter in home view

2012-09-26 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/26 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com:
 Yes that is a fair use case, especially if you have lots of activities 
 installed,
 and I do wish we had more active developers like you! :)
 Can I ask, do you spend more time working in Sugar's home list view,
 or the home favourite view? Would making your test activity a Favourite
 be a practical option? Again, this depends how many Activities you already
 have favourited ;)

Now I'm using the list view because the list view in Gtk3 is more
stable than the favourite view. When I say unstable I mean that
sometimes I try to start an activity and nothing happens. I didn't
check the logs and I'm a few busy working in other things, but when I
have time I'm going to report some issues.

Cheers.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork] Set height for all the GtkNotebook tabs

2012-09-26 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/26 Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org:
 +padding-top: $(icon_large * 0.30)px;
 +padding-bottom: $(icon_large * 0.30)px;

I spoke too early, this solution doesn't work as expected with tab
close buttons. Ooops!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012/9/23 Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org:
 Hi, everybody.
 Like Daniel, I'm from Uruguay and I feel identified with the Walter message.
Hi Agustin!

 I'm fourteen years old, and I started using sugar when I was ten, when I
 receive my XO was the first time that I used linux and it liked me a lot.

 About the young programmers:
 I was a student of Flavio Danesse, and he taught me a lot but for obvious
 reasons I had to appeal the internet to found more information, where the
 most are in english, for me it wasn't a problem, because I have learned
 english..

 But the most of the children in Latin America hasn't this luck, and they
 find it difficult to program.

I'd say now there's a lot of documentation in Spanish, but I agree
with you in the language can be a barrier sometimes, specially for
write e-mails and similar things.
When Flavio said he doesn't understand why Spanish speakers write
source code in English, I replied I don't write code in English, I
write in Python, in C (not for Sugar) or in any programming language.

 About sugar and the teachers:
 Unfortunately, when I was in primary school, no teacher was concerned with
 explaining how to use my XO, and the logical sugar activities, such as
 Turtle Art and Scratch, but luckily their interfaces are very intuitive.
 And when I started the high school was the same, no teacher was interested
 in the XO, except Mr. Flavio Danesse :)
 For this reason the most of my classmates, only use their XO to browse in
 Facebook and other social networks.

Here One Laptop Per Child is promoted as an implementation with the
aim of provide the children the possibility of access to the
information and internet. Of course, when it's also an education
project we expect an educational usage, I can say there is at least
one teacher per school interested in implement XO computers in its
classroom.

Cheers,
Daniel.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012/9/23 Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com:
 I would love to see more of the Spanish-only activities
 present in ASLO take this step to i18n so that they can be used by
 other XO kids around the world in their mother tongues.

A good way would be if the ASLO editors request the authors to
internationalize their activities. I know sometimes they do it, and
leave a link to an article at wiki.sl.org where explains how to
implement i18n.

For my part, I can start to contact Spanish developers.

Best regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

 but where I worked, it was like this:
 #!/usr/bin/python
 # questo è il modo in cui il punteggio di corrispondenza viene calcolato
 partida = calcio101+calcio02
Ciao Mondo! :)

# Just regarding the Sugar Paint activity mixes English and Portuguese
of its original maintainers. Now
# with all the changes and patches it conserves only some words,
specially file names like desenho
# instead design.

 They are both 'python' but most programmers are not going to be able to debug 
 the 2nd example easily.
 Making all the comments and the variable names in Spanish is not what I 
 expect for sugarlabs but maybe for the 'python joven' or similar.

Small examples can be made in other langs, but not a big application.
That doesn't teach for the real life.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012/9/23 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org:
 On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 09:14:41PM -0300, S. Daniel Francis wrote:
 2012/9/23 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org:
  It is irritating that we still store source code in linear text files
  without built-in internationalisation.
  As you change these names, they become far less useful to programmers
  who use that language.
 
  The development system would be more open and inclusive if there was a
  way to keep variable names, and other text, in multiple languages.

 It isn't possible, there is to implement l10n and then there are
 needed translators, our translators cant translate source code...

 True, only bilingual programmers could translate source code ... and
 that was what I was suggesting.  I doubt our string translators, or
 their infrastructure, could be any help whatsoever.  It is a totally
 different problem.

 But I don't think it is impossible for bilingual programmers to
 collaborate in this way.  Merely difficult.

There are many reasons for don't translate source code.
Here two:
- Other languages have non-ascii characters, and variable names can't
be written with those characters.
- Python is very similar to the natural language, but in other
languages, where the order to use the words is different, the code
leases concordance.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012-09-20 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/20 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net:

 While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to 
 address. Scratch has a
 website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help 
 young sugar activity hacker
 have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe 
 Activities.sugarlabs.org or some
 website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but 
 would think that the very
 capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating)

ASLO is a good place to upload a Sugar Activity, also in Uruguay we
have a deserted website for the ceibalJAM community:
http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=lista_descargas
CeibalJAM is an organization made for volunteers with the aim of
generate educational resources looking at what is needed by the
children at Uruguay. I used to write at the CeibalJAM mailing list.
(Olpc-Uruguay on lists.laptop.org)

 OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I 
 know his work. I wonder if
 making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids 
 could watch?

He wants to do his code hackable by interested children, so he writes
his programs in Spanish. It's a good way to learn, but it's not a good
practice. At least he should setup i18n at JAMedia.

 If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe 
 they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas.

We started a public google group one time, but we are too few, and at
Olpc-Uruguay we could share, ask, etc.

 Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that.

The first year when I received my XO, I had a teacher who requested as
homework make some geometric forms with TA.
At the next courses, the teachers preferred Scratch and Etoys because
it was what they learned in their teaching courses. With the robots
getting the schools, there are teachers learning TA and they liked it
very much.

Now at the highschool (from twelve years old to eighteen in .UY),
teachers aren't formed to work with XOs, so the usage at highschools
is very poor.
So I'd say the expected educational implementation of OLPC and Sugar,
is happening slowly at primary schools.

Cheers,
Daniel.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012-09-20 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/20 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
 Daniel,

 I did remember to try out your Activities last night.  In addition to my XO
 I have several computers running different versions of Fedora, and that was
 what I used because it was a bit more convenient.  I ended up using two
 different computers because the latest Fedora won't run Sugar File Manager.

 Sugar File Manager was different than I expected it to be.  It actually
 mounts the Journal on the GNOME desktop, although GNOME can't browse it and
 wouldn't let me unmount it.  The File Manager seems to be more of a browser
 than what I would think of as a file manager.  It doesn't look like you can
 copy files into the Journal or modify or delete Journal entries.  I'm
 intrigued by the mounting of the Journal but I wouldn't call it an
 *improvement* over Sugar Commander, which does let you do these things.

Of course it's not an improvement, I don't feel proud of that creation.

 I didn't try Agubrowser.

 The other stuff was without exception really impressive.  I had to wonder if
 you adapted existing Python programs to be Sugar Activities or if you wrote
 the whole Activities.  The Graph Plotter was especially impressive.
First I sugarized Lybniz Graph Plotter, and after understand all the
code and see some defects I decided to create my own plotter called
Graph Plotter and maintain it as myself.

 It looks like JAMMath does need the i18n treatment, but it shouldn't be
 difficult.

 I'm wondering if you've made any use of Como Hacer Una Actividad Sugar and
 if so if you found it helpful.
I have a printed version (in English) of your book. I'd say it's
helpful and I still read it for check about collaboration in
activities. I have pending to implement it on Graph Plotter.

  It looks like the latest Python will break
 all the code samples in that book so at some point it will need to be
 revised.

A new version of your book would be great. But we are not at the best
moment, Sugar is in a transition to GTK3. I'm also developing a
desktop framework which provides compatibility between Sugar and other
desktops, and reduces repetitive code. I think that framework
finished, would be a new better way to develop a Sugar Activity.

Cheers,
Daniel Francis.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012-09-19 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/19 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
 Walter,

 First, congrats on the grandchild.

 Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities were
 written by children who grew up with Sugar.  That is an incredible
 accomplishment, and it makes me wish that the ASLO website had a Collection
 of those Activities.  If something like that existed I could see what kinds
 of Activities they were doing, how many were programs written for other
 environments using a Sugar wrapper, how many are purely Sugar Activities,
 who the developers are, what Sugar features are they using and not using,
 how popular the Activities are, etc.

Hello James,
I feel identified with what Walter described so I dare to answer. I'm
from Uruguay and I'm thirteen years old. I'm one of the activity
developers in transition to Sugar contributor. I don't know other
young Sugar contributors outside Uruguay, so I'll tell you about the
situation here.

About one year ago, children made activities often as a hobbie, that
activities had not a reasonable aim and they weren't very well
integrated with Sugar.

Some examples:
Agubrowser by Agustin Zubiaga:
This activity was based on webkit when Browse used python-hulahop (gecko).
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4419
Sugar File Manager by Ignacio Rodríguez and me:
Based on Sugar Commander and JAMexplorer, with some improvements.
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4494

Actually, we make activities thinking in its utility, but our aim is
still learn with what we do.
I leave here some of the activities that make us feel proud:

TerronesWeeper: A mines game for CeibalJAM!, the Uruguayan OLPC
community, which is represented with a Terrón[1].
http://activities.sugarlabs.org//en-US/sugar/addon/4520

Chart: Made with help of adults and now available at the official OLPC build.
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4534

Graph Plotter: Mathematical function plotter.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Graph_Plotter

JAMath: Other game for CeibalJAM. I'm not sure, but I think this
activity is only available in Spanish.
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4595

Sorry if I forget other activities.

Cheers,
Daniel.

[1] http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=node/741
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012-09-19 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/19 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com:
 There are some from outside of .UY as well...
Walter,
Can you tell us about the activities outside of .UY, please?
I never hear about them and would be of interest for some people in
these mailing lists, including myself.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012-09-19 Thread S. Daniel Francis

Hi Kevin,

2012/9/19 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net:
 Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities and more contributions, 
 I'm really wanting to
 know what teaching environment made this possible?

Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually learn by our self.
Thinking about why Sugar, well, we could make desktop applications,
but a free and decent way to share a program is difficult to find and
there's not always a community where we can share what we make. Also I
think Sugar needs activities, unlike desktops, where practically all
is already made.

Just Edward suggested us to tell our stories, but at the moment I'll
not get into many details and only answer your questions.

 Are there activity hacking classes?
In Uruguay there is only one activity hacking teacher: Flavio Danesse.
He is an IT teacher, and every year he organizes a workshop where he
teaches volunteer students to program in Python. The group Python
Joven, in English Young Python..

Currently, his students contributing here are Agustin Zubiaga and
Cristhofer Travieso, they told me about another student who develops
applications for Android.

 Is this kind of experimentation part of a turtleart class?
For my part I can say yes and no... When I received my XO with Sugar
I liked very much TurtleArt, but the teachers don't teach it very
often, I had to look for documentation.

Have kids 'goggled' about programming on their own time and wanted to know 
about programming?
Now you are right, I learn practically all 'googling'. Flavio's
students told me they also learn(ed) a big part of what they know
searching and investigating by them self.
I think it's better because we can learn what we are interested in,
also if it's not related with Sugar.

 Are there computer programming classes and teachers that have assignments 
 that ask the kids to explore?

Programming is not often a subject at the school.
I know about optional workshops, like Flavio's. My parents are
teachers, and about three-four years ago, when I was ten years old, I
used to go to the highschool where my parents worked and I listened to
a workshop about web design (basic HTML development) and graphic
design (with GIMP). That workshop was not a way to get young
programmers, but it removed me the fear of seeing a source code as
something strange or made for be understood by non-human people.

Cheers.
~danielf

P.S: Sorry, I don't speak English very well.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork][DESIGN][PROPOSAL] Use the same style as Browse in all GtkNotebooks

2012-09-17 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/9/17 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org:
 I attach a patch with the modifications above.  Thanks again!
Thanks to you, Manu!

I'm starting to understand css. What I did is only rename
BrowseNotebook to .notebook or if both types exist, mix their rules
without know always what are that rules doing and without look at the
Browse sources.

I think the Gtk theme styling could replace lots of lines of Python
code at activities (also sugar toolkit) for provide children the Sugar
typical appearance. Specially for sugarized applications.

Cheers.
~danielf

P.S I added myself to the cc list at the bug ticket.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [sugar-toolkit-gtk3] Set default python encoding to utf-8

2012-09-14 Thread S. Daniel Francis

I'd say: +1 to your change

2012/9/14 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 This patch is not included and haven't received comments.
 Any particular reason?
 There are ported activities needing this change.

 Gonzalo


 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM, godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 From: Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com

 As spoted by Daniel Narvaez in [1], pygi does not set the default encoding
 anymore as the old gtk did. This change break ported activities.
 The change in gtk was discussed upstream here [2]
 A better solution will be implemented when we port to python 3,
 when we will be able to use real unicode strings.

 Signed-off-by: Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org

 [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2012-August/038993.html
 [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681915
 ---
  bin/sugar-activity | 5 +
  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)

 diff --git a/bin/sugar-activity b/bin/sugar-activity
 index 5aef1ae..839174a 100644
 --- a/bin/sugar-activity
 +++ b/bin/sugar-activity
 @@ -18,6 +18,11 @@

  import os
  import sys
 +# Change the default encoding to avoid UnicodeDecodeError
 +# http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2012-August/038928.html
 +reload(sys)
 +sys.setdefaultencoding('utf-8')
 +
  import gettext
  from optparse import OptionParser

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[Sugar-devel] Key accelerators on the XO

2012-08-18 Thread S. Daniel Francis

Hi,
I'm developing a Sugar Activity and it has ToolButtons gtk-add and
gtk-remove, those buttons append and remove elements at a
GtkTreeView and at the time to choice a key accelerator for the remove
button, I selected the Delete key; but that key isn't at the XO-1.75
keyboard.
I already saw the Fullscreen button has by convention the key
accelerator Altreturn on Sugar instead of F11, the typical desktop
accelerator.
Is there any convention for replace the 'Delete' key on Sugar?

Thanks and regards.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing Rotate in sugar-jhbuild

2012-08-16 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/16 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 In anybody want test how activities work with the screen rotated in
 sugar-jhbuid,
 can do in the terminal:

 xrandr -o left

 when your neck hurts, or you have finished...

 xrandr -o normal

Thanks, it's very useful and funny.
I'll add it to a Tomboy note for besure to don't miss it.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-15 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/14 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 - Strings with format
 Example:
 button.set_tooltip(_('Append %s') % _('something'))


 The problem with this example is when you have language like Spanish,
 where some of the characters can be encoded in ascii, but not all.
 In this case, gettext will return a str or a PyUnicode depending of the
 case,
 and if are not compatibles, the format will break.


Well, the PyUnicode type is recommended for index and modify a string,
Manuel gave a good example, but there aren't the necessary cases at
activities for use the PyUnicode format as default in the
translations, non-ascii characters often need more than a byte for
save the character in the memory and the Python str class is made for
index byte per byte, not character per character. That's the main
difference between the Python types str and PyUnicode.

The Python strings are encoded by default in the utf-8 code charset
thanks to the heather line. Another function of the PyUnicode type is
encode a resultant string of type str.
So, the Python strings can be encoded in a Unicode compatible charset
like utf-8, the Python Unicode type is a way to encode a string if you
don't like to add a header and the recommended way to work in the
program internally, so you mustn't use it for output, you will have to
encode the content of type PyUnicode in a PyString with the UTF-8
charset for the output and it'll not generate any conflict.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-15 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/15 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com:
 So for example, a pure python zip compression/decompression
 implementation now needs to clearly define it is _not_ working on
 utf-8 streams.

It started when Humitos saw the Python Unicode handling at Typing Turtle.
His purpose is setup gettext for get translated data of type PyUnicode
instead of PyString. A big part of the translated messages are often
tooltips for the toolbars and other static text. You can get those
strings and set them as property of a SugarToolButton without the word
unicode in all your activity code. What TypingTurtle does, could be
well because it's a long internal work with the strings, but it isn't
the same with the big part of the translated messages.
Your example doesn't compress translated text; so get translations as
PyUnicode for that case is useless.

I see you are also looking other issues in this same thread, I'll say
+1 to all the good practices with the objective of remove the
repetitive code. Use unicode=True as argument for gettext.install
could do more short the task with TypingTurtle, but it will be more
long at other activities
.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-15 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/15 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com:
 [humitos@michifus ~]$ python test.py
 UTF-8, set by the first line in the script
 len: 7
 last but one letter: �

We agree sometimes you could need the unicode for solve some conflicts
like this, but: How many translated strings are indexed by the
programs? I'm really sure there are too many activities where the
program doesn't iterate the string or any other possible conflicts.

 Changing the default encoding, as you said, is dangerous because we
 will be hiding the problem instead of resolving it. gtk people say
 this on the comments in the ticket that manuq reported.

We are stopping in very technical details, but you're not wrong in it.
Latin1 gives one bit for all the represented characters and the
supported characters aren't as many as with utf-8, it's for languages
with Latin derivation.

 So, the right way to handle and manipulate strings is using Unicode,
 with the u at the beginning of each string. That is the recommended
 way to do it. This is not me, I mean, it is not a whim. There are many
 reasons to use Unicode.

The right way only for handle and manipulate strings internally, and a
big part of the translated strings aren't handled or manipulated by
the activities, they are tasks for other libraries, preferentially
GTK, and it never generates a conflict for draw and format those
strings (including line wrapping), but for test it, you can make a
gtk.TextView in a python console and try to write only non-ascii
characters (for natural English speakers, you could generate many
´strange´ characters with the keyboard distribution English
International).

 More information that you can read, pros and cons:

  * 
 http://www.shutupandship.com/2012/01/working-with-text-in-python-use-unicode.html
  * 
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1116449/should-i-use-unicode-string-by-default
  * http://blog.ianbicking.org/illusive-setdefaultencoding.html
  * http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200401/printing_unicode_from_python.html
  * 
 http://getpython3.com/diveintopython3/strings.html#one-ring-to-rule-them-all
  * http://blog.notdot.net/2010/07/Getting-unicode-right-in-Python

Thanks, there is many information here for read.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012/8/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com:
 Hi danielf,
Hi Martin,
fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 I look some people is needing to know more about Unicode:
First I'll apologize because the first part of my message sounds a bit rude.

 one thing to keep in mind is that UTF-8 is one of the possible ways to
 represent Unicode data. We will, most of the time, use UTF-8 mixed up
 with straight old ASCII. Our python code files are one example.

Yes, I know UTF-8 is only one of the possible ways, but there is a
reason to use it instead of any other. Also the python code files
could be ASCII and the header line could say utf-8. The line tells
Python the charset for encode the strings.

 The BOM header didn't become popular (for good technical reasons). Is
 there a way to tell the Python interpreter that assume that our code
 (inc strings in our code) should be assumed to be unicode? If so, we
 can set that in sugar-session.

Unicode (Python Type) is for process text, but for input/output, that
text will need to be encoded as a string, and for that you will need a
code charset. Now it's the time to ask: Must we get all the translated
strings as Unicode and encode them as utf-8? I think there are too few
cases when an activity gets translated strings and needs to work
directly with unicode. Maybe I also need to get informed, this is the
good part of use a mailing list, we all know different things.

Regards.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012/8/14 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:

 Unicode (Python Type) is for process text, but for input/output, that
 text will need to be encoded as a string, and for that you will need a
 code charset. Now it's the time to ask: Must we get all the translated
 strings as Unicode and encode them as utf-8? I think there are too few
 cases when an activity gets translated strings and needs to work
 directly with unicode.


 Probably because you do not speak chinese or any other asian language :)

We can represent all unicode characters in utf-8 and that's one of the
reasons Linux has it by default, of course the translations are
encoded in utf-8 because it can represent characters from Asia,
Africa, languages with derivation from Latin and non-existent
languages.

Now the question is: Why should we get translations as Python type
Unicode and encode them again in utf-8?

We have our translations encoded in files. The activity can get the
strings directly for output, but if the activity will modify or only
iterate a string, it's recommended to decode the utf-8 string and work
with the text in the Python type Unicode and then encode it as a utf-8
string for use it as output. What Manuel is purposing, is setup
gettext appropriately for get text of type unicode with the _
function. A big part of the translated strings don't need that step of
encode and decode...

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012/8/14 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com:
 The reason is given here:

 Software should only work with Unicode strings internally, converting
 to a particular encoding on output.

As I said, the unicode (Python type what generated this thread), is
used only internally and our link gives more sense to what I say, the
output is usually coded in utf-8 (coded string).

Here the translated strings are usually:
- Simple arguments for a GtkWidet
Example:
button = ToolButton('gtk-add')
button.set_tooltip(_('Append'))

- Strings with format
Example:
button.set_tooltip(_('Append %s') % _('something'))

These strings aren't processed internally, the last string depends of
other programs and libraries implemented correctly (A part at the
Python interpreter), they will not generate a conflict if you have
only Asian characters.

The unicode type at python is used in cases when the text doesn't go
directly to the output and your code processes it directly. For
example if you have a long string and you'd like to insert line feeds
into the string. Too few strings in the Sugar Pootle are made for
this, but in the case of be needing it, there are the methods
unicode.encode and str.decode available and tidy at Python.

Regards.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012/8/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps you mean something else, like the Python type Unicode. But
 in general discussion, people do use Unicode to mean... Unicode ;-)

Exactly, a lot of times I said unicode meaning PyUnicode, and this
thread started with an issue between two different python types: str
and unicode.

I listened the following definitions at a talk about unicode at the
PyDayUY, I trust in the speaker but it's a good time to revise,
clarify concepts and take a little disambiguation:

Unicode: A standard repertoire of lots of characters. (Association of
numbers with letters, etc.)
UTF-8: (Unicode Transfer Format). Implementation of all the unicode
characters but in Bytes. The computer never works really with Unicode
because all what the computer works with, need to be encoded in bytes,
in this case with UTF-8.

Thinking it well:
Was the Python type well named Unicode?
What does the people usually mean with Unicode?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-toolkit-gtk3] Use class-based API for gettext translations

2012/8/14 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
 Can you explain the problem you are trying to solve and
 why you think this is the right solution?

 I sent an email yesterday commenting what the problem is and what the
 best solution is. Here is the thread:

  * http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2012-August/038928.html
-1
I already explained my position at that thread, and my namesake dsd is
also disagreeing as I can see.

 With this patch there is no need to change the source code of all the
 activities, they should work as they are. But, we can omit the import
 of gettext as _ because this patch installs it as a builtin
 function[1]:

 from gettext import gettext as _

 For this reason, we can omit this line in new Activities.

+1
Does the old import generate a conflict or the developers must use a
conditional for backward compatibility?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-13 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/13 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 I'm working on Typing Turtle Gtk3 port and I found an error with the
 translations encoding. The thing is we can't combine Unicode strings
 and 8-bits strings:

Hi, Manuel.

I'm not an expert in unicode, I learned a big part of what I know at
the PyDay Uruguay 2012, in a talk with an Argentinian speaker.


 '¡Hola %s!' % 'camión'
 '\xc2\xa1Hola cami\xc3\xb3n!'


Here it's simple and easy, this is the correct usage.

 In Typing Turle the _ function (from gettext import gettext as _) is
 returning 8-bits strings, so it crashes when it tries to do something
 like this:

 _('Congratulations!  You earned a %(type)s medal!') % u'gold'
 [...]
 UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position
 4: ordinal not in range(128)


The UTF-8 encoding charset can load all the Unicode characters, and
the way to do it is adding a line at the header. The unicode type is
used for other cases.
I don't see why do you need to use unicode in this case, you could
encode all in utf-8 and forget the conflict.

 So, is there a way to make this available at Sugar level? This issue
 appears in many activities and it would be great to solve it
 upstream :)

I know you like upstream bugs but I think it's not necessary. If the
program will insert characters or similar actions, there is a way with
more peace, but I'm not going to explain it now if I'm not sure this
is what you need.

Cheers.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unicode strings in translations

2012-08-13 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/13 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 You can read a utf8 encodec file with codecs.open too.

 http://docs.python.org/library/codecs.html

 Gonzalo

I look some people is needing to know more about Unicode:

The strings are encoded by default in ASCII, but with ASCII the
computer can't represent all the unicode characters, and here appears
utf-8, adding the line at the header of the file Python encodes the
strings in utf-8.

If we have a variable of type unicode:

my_unicode = u'Hello World'

you can get a string in utf-8 with the following line:

utf8_string = my_unicode.encode('utf-8')

for get a unicode object from a string:

new_unicode = utf8_string.decode('utf-8')

When do you need unicode?
Some characters have 2 bytes at the memory for be represented, so at
the time of iterate the string you get bytes, not characters, so it
works well with 1-byte characters but it will not work as expected
with the other, with unicode you can iterate by the text character by
character.

Code example:

 for i in My string with Ñ: print i
M
y

s
t
r
i
n
g

w
i
t
h


�

for x in [i.encode('utf-8') for i in uMy string with Ñ]: print x
M
y

s
t
r
i
n
g

w
i
t
h

Ñ


http://wiki.python.org/moin/Unicode

Regards.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] #3797 localization UNSP: Update pootle strings for Graph Plotter

2012-08-12 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/12 Sugar Labs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org:
 Comment:

  I fixed it manually.

  When you touch files in the /po dir in Gitorious it gets out of synch with
  the local copy that Pootle holds (and uses to recalculate the POT
  template) and this causes a failure to update the POT.  The POT is now up-
  to-date in Poolte and commits from Pootle will work (instead of fail).

  Closing as fixed.

  cjl

I forgot to say I'm sorry.

I prefer asking it out of bugs.sl.org:
I'm looking the Spanish translations on pootle and the new strings
aren't there. Is pootle going to check my activity and make a new pot
file? or it isn't completely ´fixed´?
I note I received a commit from pootle with a small change at the file header.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Idea for a New Activity in Sugar: To code and run C, C++ programs

2012-08-05 Thread S. Daniel Francis

Hi Kartik,
2012/8/5 Kartik Kumar kartik.p...@gmail.com:
 Hi All,

 I was thinking of an Activity for Sugar using which children can write
 programs in C and C++ and execute them.

I think C/C++ aren't so easy for children, Python is better to
introduce programming on children. But I really appreciate you are
interested in it, I started learning Python about 2 years ago when I
was 11-12 years old and I know it isn't impossible, last year I
learned a few of C but I can do the same things with Python more
easily, and my C programs often finished in Segmentation Fault, that's
not very motivating.

This is similar to Pippy activity
 but this activity will use GCC for compilation and execution of these
 programs created by children.

Maybe you already know C components aren't recommended at the Sugar
activities, when there's C code for speed, I always suggest to compile
for i386 (architecture of XO-1.0 and XO-1.5) and use a conditional for
load an alternative module written in Python on other architectures.
But there isn't so easy re-write Gcc in Python...


 We can present them with such features:
 1. Use pre-existing code snippets( from Journal)
 2. Write custom code
 3. Compilation and Execution

 Please provide your inputs whether this seems useful with classroom
 perspective and is worth taking it further?

There are too few Teachers-Programmers for teach it, and there are few
students with the necessary will, intelligence and interest for learn
C.
You generated in me an idea: would be good an activity for write/test
web developments, that could be more easy and motivating than C, and
there are more people qualified for teach it. Many people say the Web
development has got a big future.

Cheers.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Idea for a New Activity in Sugar: To code and run C, C++ programs

2012-08-05 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/8/5 Kartik Kumar kartik.p...@gmail.com:
 Thanks Daniel for your valuable feedback!

 I agree with you that C will be bit complex in the begining and it is
 difficult to write Gcc in python.

 I appreciate the idea of activity for web development. I am very much
 exicted and inspired to explore on how we can go about it and develop it. To
 add to what you mentioned, we can provide an IDE as an activity where
 children can develop HTML pages and develop even entire web application in
 python. We can also explore if DJango(web application framework in python)
 can be used in this context.

Sounds good, I like Django, but talking about the interface, it'll
need a big organization because there are too many features to be
added so you are right in start now to think in that.
I suggest to make GUI editing interfaces for some python files, for
example the server requests where the children could feel a few lost
editing it directly.
I'd leave Html/Javascript code for the children freestyle creation,
maybe a possibility for switch between a code mode and a more graphic
mode (your idea of the rich html component library would enter here),
but it implies there'll be needed examples where the children can
learn the usage.

I can't reply much more design feedback at the moment, I never
designed a so big activity and I don't know a lot of Django (I started
to read a few about it some weeks ago), but I'm interested in follow
nearly this thread.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork] Add help icon for the toolbars - SL #3746

2012-07-28 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/7/28 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org:
 So activities have a standard help icon for their toolbar moving
 forward.

 Design-by: Gary C. Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com
 Signed-off-by: Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org
 ---
  icons/scalable/actions/toolbar-help.svg |   32 
 +++
  1 file changed, 32 insertions(+)
  create mode 100644 icons/scalable/actions/toolbar-help.svg

 diff --git a/icons/scalable/actions/toolbar-help.svg 
 b/icons/scalable/actions/toolbar-help.svg
 new file mode 100644
 index 000..36f763c
 --- /dev/null
 +++ b/icons/scalable/actions/toolbar-help.svg
 @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
 +?xml version=1.0 ?!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC '-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN'
 +'http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd' [
 +   !ENTITY stroke_color #ff
 +   !ENTITY fill_color #010101
 +]
 +
 +svg height=55px viewBox=0 0 55 55 width=55px
 +xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
 +xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink;
 +
 +  g
 +path d=M27.5,50.125 C15.157,50.125 5,39.968 5,27.625 C5,15.282
 +15.157,5.125 27.5,5.125 C39.843,5.125 50,15.282 50,27.625
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 +C35.241,12.938 31.3,11.4 27.467,11.326 C25.327,11.363
 +23.184,11.958 21.331,13.036 C19.004,14.391 16.92,16.931
 +17.59,19.785 C17.767,20.537 18.189,21.24 18.866,21.638
 +C21.301,23.068 23.001,20.116 24.478,18.753 C25.357,17.943
 +26.602,17.383 27.82,17.553 C29.264,17.754 30.642,18.618
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 +24.024,25.251 23.956,27.167 L23.957,27.167 L23.957,31.667
 +C23.947,33.36 25.073,34.466 26.649,34.738 z M27.016,44.444
 +C28.993,44.54 30.706,42.921 30.706,40.937 C30.706,38.99
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 +23.691,41.117 C23.823,42.857 24.98,44.062 26.662,44.408 z
 +fill=stroke_color; stroke=none/
 +  /g
 +/svg
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I'm a few happy having that icon in sugar-artwork, I appreciate you
didn't exceed 80 characters per line, this patch can be seen very well
unlike my last patch for the Sugar icons were the icons had long lines
and I didn't correct them. Would be good have standard code styles for
SVG icons and other non-python components.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork] Add help icon for the toolbars - SL #3746

2012-07-28 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/7/28 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org:
 Hey Dani,

 Bah, not a big deal, don't worry much about that.  SVG will be
 difficult to read anyways, I just wrapped the lines because git was
 refusing to send it with 'git send-email'.  Because there was a line
 above 900 characters long :)

Yeah, that is a long path and possibly nobody could understand the
patch well, but for example, I made a patch which changes only colours
(fill=), the patch could only have something like this:
-   fill=#33 stroke=#FF
+  fill=none; stroke=#FF
But the patch had very long, lines and turned it more hardy to read.

 Have you tested it?  If so, tell me so I can add the 'Tested-by' line,
 or do it yourself in this email.

Works, I tested it on Sugar Build, removing the help icon in Graph Plotter.

Tested-by: Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork] Add help icon for the toolbars - SL #3746

2012-07-28 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/7/28 Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com:
 Would be good have standard code styles for
 SVG icons and other non-python components.

 There is this page,
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/Making_Icons
 with reference to
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/media:_sugar-iconify.py

Thanks Frederick, but I'm talking about code style, patches for python
code aren't accepted without Pep8, but SVG patches haven't checked any
style guideline. And I'm not sure if it's also similar for C, CSS
patches and other non-python components in Sugar.

Cheers.

-danielf
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Proposal on some Help toolbar design details

2012-07-27 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/7/27 Gary C Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com:
 Hi folks,

 To follow up on this previous thread, several activities are now following 
 this help proposal. I've put a simple HIG page together to cover the design 
 for Activity authors [1]. If there are no objections I'll place it somewhere 
 more formal (perhaps as a first step in updating the old HIG with all the 
 design changes that have landed in Sugar in the last few years).

 Regards,
 --Gary

Hi Gary,

Just I moved the HelpButton in my Graph Plotter[1], my activity had
the following organization:
[Activity][View][Custom1][Custom2][Custom3][Custom4 (Text Entry)][Very
Custom 5 (Ghost coordinates)]  ... [Help][Stop]

If the cursor isn't on the Graph, the coordinates x-y values
disappear. If the labels disappear, the help button would look a few
ugly on the right of the ghost content. So, I had to make a custom
organization for that case. I updated the screenshot in the wiki where
you can see the new organization. I think this would be a good example
of the new helpbutton position, or an example about what is not
correct and must be changed. What do you think about that case?

Cheers.

[1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Graph_Plotter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Design meeting Monday July 23rd 2012 - 14:30 UTC 1hr

2012-07-19 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/7/19 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com:

  Provisional agenda 
 * Journal multi-select

I have School at 14:30 UTC, so I tell now my position about the
Journal multi-select implementation.

The function is very useful here in Uruguay, it's necessary in Sugar.
But I think the UI implementation isn't the best. It has two toggle
cell renderers one next to the other (I consider the star a toggle
cell). A better way would be use the TreeSelection. But if the agreed
implemented interface is with CheckBoxes, I would suggest to move the
ToogleStar to the right, with the following organization.

[[Checker] [Icon] . [Buddies] . . . . . [Last modified] [Star] ()]

Cheers.
-danielf
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Design meeting Monday July 23rd 2012 - 14:30 UTC 1hr

2012-07-19 Thread S. Daniel Francis

 Could you describe a little more what you mean by TreeSelection
About the Tree Selection, as you'll possibly know, the Journal was
migrated from HippoCanvas to Gtk as a GtkTreeView.

The GtkTreeSelection is for customize selections in GtkTreeViews:
http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/treeview.html#the-selection

The starter idea about this was by Agustin Zubiaga (aguz), I tell the
part I agree, but he has projected all the details for a purpose
similar than the interface you describe, Gary. Personally, I don't
like 'ghost' toolbars[1] in Sugar, but the buttons need a place, maybe
a Sugar ToolbarButton and the property 'expanded' set to True and why
not take advantage of that button for also enable/disable the
MultiSelect mode.

Cheers.

[1] When all the buttons of the toolbar change for other different options.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Problem with number of version

2012-07-18 Thread S. Daniel Francis

 2012/7/18 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com:

 Works. The problem is the dot in the activity version.
 Maybe all xx.x activities must will updated to xx+1

 Regards!

 Alan


 The better in this case would be: xx+1(same as gtk3 version) in the
 activity.info and xx.x in ASLO. But I suppose it would also require
 some extra work on the ASLO web platform. A good possibility would be
 make a new variable at the activity.info file. I guess Sugar can
 ignore it.

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[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN Browse] Show web page icons

2012-07-16 Thread S. Daniel Francis

A little feature which could be added in Browse: Show the web page icons.
After talk with Gary by IRC, I confirmed that feature wasn't removed
from the activity previously, and maybe show the page icon in the tab
like the standard web browsers, could be 'noisy'.

I purpose the following possibilities:
- Decide icons in the tabs aren't noisy and show the page icons in the
tabs. It also would help to identify the web pages.
- Show the page icon only in the history. In this case the 'Back' and
'Next' palettes/menus.
- Show the icon of the current tab in the URL entry at the left.
- Combinations of the previously mentioned purposes.

Cheers,
Daniel Francis.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork] Zoom icons: Removing grey fill color

2012-07-14 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/7/13 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com:
 Thanks for the patches! I've not had time to review them yet, design review 
 on svg diff patches sent to the mail list is a petty slow work-flow for me to 
 actually get to see the end result ;)

Yeah, this is the first time I make a patch for Sugar Design, but I
agree sending patches like any other component in Sugar isn't the best
way. So, I made a little article[1] in the Wiki with the affected
activities and screenshots with and without my patch where you can see
quickly the differences.

Regards,
danielf.

[1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Daniel_Francis/Remove_grey_fill_color
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-artwork] Zoom icons: Removing grey fill color

2012-07-13 Thread S. Daniel Francis

I made a new patch with similar changes, but for the table/cell icons,
also mailed to this list.

Cheers.

2012/7/13 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 Maybe Gary or Manuq can look at this issue?

 Gonzalo

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[Sugar-devel] Two strange files in sugar-toolkit-gtk3

2012-07-03 Thread S. Daniel Francis

Hi,
I was looking at the sources of sugar-toolkit-gtk3 and y found the
following 'strange' things to comment or ask why there are in
sugar-toolkit:

First: The module sugar.graphics.panel with this code:

class Panel(Gtk.VBox):

__gtype_name__ = 'SugarPanel'

def __init__(self):
GObject.GObject.__init__(self)

I think we can't be so children for make a class and only inherit from
Gtk.VBox. I would suggest to remove it.

The other is the module sugar.graphics.toolbox , those
toolbars-notebooks are too deprecated. Could we have only the Sugar
ToolbarBox in sugar-toolkit-gtk3?

Cheers,
DanielF.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Speak] A lot of pep8 corrections

2012-06-29 Thread S. Daniel Francis

2012/6/29 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org:
 Great!
 Please coordinate with the activity maintainer.
 I think is Aleksey, but Rafael (dirakx) should know better.
 To migrate from hippo to gtk, look at the work done in Chat activity.
 I am sure a big part can be used.

 Gonzalo

Alright, thanks.
I'll ask Rafael about the maintainer and I'll also consider Chat
activity in the moment of remove the Hippo code.

Best regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-toolkit-gtk3] Fixing deprecations: Using Gtk.Orientation

2012-06-27 Thread S. Daniel Francis

 [1] states for example: GtkHBox has been deprecated. You can use GtkBox
 instead, which is a very quick and easy change. If you have derived your own
 classes from GtkHBox, you can simply change the inheritance to derive
 directly from GtkBox. No further changes are needed, since the default value
 of the orientation property is GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL. If you want
 your code to be future-proof, the recommendation is to switch to GtkGrid,
 since GtkBox is going to be deprecated in favor of the more flexible grid
 widget eventually. For more information about migrating to GtkGrid, see
 Migrating from other containers to GtkGrid.

Why not? Lets migrate all our gtk3 components to GtkGrid!

 So the first question that arises is: should we switch directly to GtkGrid
 [2]? Best would be to do a simple test program and compare the different
 containers. If GtkGrid can be used in the same way and it is the intended
 way forward we should switch directly to that. The migrating guide is
 interesting as well [3].
Your articles say the ways to do it with GtkGrid are very different
than with GtkBox, but it's similar than the GtkTable.

I can make another patch with the migration from GtkBox and GtkTable
to GtkGrid and add the information to the Wiki [1], but this patch
hasn't got only corrections of boxes. You decide if I have to make
from this patch a version 2, or make a new patch only with boxes and
tables corrections.

Cheers.

[1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/GTK3/Porting

 Regards,
   Simon

 [1] http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.4/GtkHBox.html
 [2] http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.4/GtkGrid.html
 [3] http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.4/gtk-migrating-GtkGrid.html



 On 06/27/2012 04:56 AM, Daniel Francis wrote:

 ---
  src/sugar3/activity/widgets.py      |    3 ++-
  src/sugar3/graphics/alert.py        |    9 ++---
  src/sugar3/graphics/notebook.py     |    6 --
  src/sugar3/graphics/palette.py      |   27 +++
  src/sugar3/graphics/panel.py        |    3 ++-
  src/sugar3/graphics/radiopalette.py |    3 ++-
  src/sugar3/graphics/toolbarbox.py   |    3 ++-
  src/sugar3/graphics/toolbox.py      |    6 --
  src/sugar3/graphics/toolcombobox.py |    3 ++-
  src/sugar3/graphics/tray.py         |    6 --
  src/sugar3/graphics/window.py       |    6 --
  11 files changed, 51 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-)

 diff --git a/src/sugar3/activity/widgets.py
 b/src/sugar3/activity/widgets.py
 index c4015ce..ffb3503 100644
 --- a/src/sugar3/activity/widgets.py
 +++ b/src/sugar3/activity/widgets.py
 @@ -226,7 +226,8 @@ class DescriptionItem(Gtk.ToolItem):
          description_button.set_tooltip(_('Description'))
          self._palette = description_button.get_palette()

 -        description_box = Gtk.HBox()
 +        description_box = Gtk.Box()
 +        description_box.set_orientation(Gtk.Orientation.HORIZONTAL)
          sw = Gtk.ScrolledWindow()
          sw.set_size_request(int(Gdk.Screen.width() / 2),
                              2 * style.GRID_CELL_SIZE)
 diff --git a/src/sugar3/graphics/alert.py b/src/sugar3/graphics/alert.py
 index 16392cd..358fea4 100644
 --- a/src/sugar3/graphics/alert.py
 +++ b/src/sugar3/graphics/alert.py
 @@ -97,11 +97,13 @@ class Alert(Gtk.EventBox):
          self._icon = None
          self._buttons = {}

 -        self._hbox = Gtk.HBox()
 +        self._hbox = Gtk.Box()
 +        self._hbox.set_orientation(Gtk.Orientation.HORIZONTAL)
          self._hbox.set_border_width(style.DEFAULT_SPACING)
          self._hbox.set_spacing(style.DEFAULT_SPACING)

 -        self._msg_box = Gtk.VBox()
 +        self._msg_box = Gtk.Box()
 +        self._msg_box.set_orientation(Gtk.Orientation.VERTICAL)
          self._title_label = Gtk.Label()
          self._title_label.set_alignment(0, 0.5)
          self._msg_box.pack_start(self._title_label, False, False, 0)
 @@ -111,7 +113,8 @@ class Alert(Gtk.EventBox):
          self._msg_box.pack_start(self._msg_label, False, False, 0)
          self._hbox.pack_start(self._msg_box, False, False, 0)

 -        self._buttons_box = Gtk.HButtonBox()
 +        self._buttons_box = Gtk.ButtonBox()
 +        self._buttons_box.set_orientation(Gtk.Orientation.HORIZONTAL)
          self._buttons_box.set_layout(Gtk.ButtonBoxStyle.END)
          self._buttons_box.set_spacing(style.DEFAULT_SPACING)
          self._hbox.pack_start(self._buttons_box, True, True, 0)
 diff --git a/src/sugar3/graphics/notebook.py
 b/src/sugar3/graphics/notebook.py
 index e14bf0e..0f3e858 100644
 --- a/src/sugar3/graphics/notebook.py
 +++ b/src/sugar3/graphics/notebook.py
 @@ -74,7 +74,8 @@ class Notebook(Gtk.Notebook):
              raise AssertionError

      def _add_icon_to_button(self, button):
 -        icon_box = Gtk.HBox()
 +        icon_box = Gtk.Box()
 +        icon_box.set_orientation(Gtk.Orientation.HORIZONTAL)
          image = Gtk.Image()
          image.set_from_stock(Gtk.STOCK_CLOSE, Gtk.IconSize.MENU)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Help Button with useful commands

2012-06-21 Thread S. Daniel Francis

Great!

I think the help must be only the utility and the description. In the
start/end (I'm not sure), a paragraph describing something like 'Type:
{command} --help to see it's usage'

Regards,
DanielF.

2012/6/21 Agustin Zubiaga a...@sugarlabs.org:
 Gonzalo's button ported to GTK3
 Bugs:
    Wrap mode doesn't work
    Grey background

 Signed-off-by: Agustin Zubiaga a...@sugarlabs.org
 ---
  helpbutton.py       |   85 
 +++
  icons/help-icon.svg |   14 +
  terminal.py         |   33 
  3 files changed, 132 insertions(+)
  create mode 100644 helpbutton.py
  create mode 100644 icons/help-icon.svg

 diff --git a/helpbutton.py b/helpbutton.py
 new file mode 100644
 index 000..1f01851
 --- /dev/null
 +++ b/helpbutton.py
 @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@
 +#!/usr/bin/env python
 +# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
 +# Copyright (C) 2012, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com
 +
 +# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
 +# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
 +# the Free Software Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or
 +# (at your option) any later version.
 +#
 +# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
 +# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
 +# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
 +# GNU General Public License for more details.
 +#
 +# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
 +# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
 +# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA  02110-1301  USA
 +
 +# HelpButton widget
 +
 +from gettext import gettext as _
 +
 +from gi.repository import Gtk
 +from gi.repository import Gdk
 +from gi.repository import GObject
 +
 +from sugar3.graphics.toolbutton import ToolButton
 +from sugar3.graphics.icon import Icon
 +from sugar3.graphics import style
 +
 +
 +class HelpButton(Gtk.ToolItem):
 +
 +    def __init__(self, **kwargs):
 +        GObject.GObject.__init__(self)
 +
 +        help_button = ToolButton('help-icon')
 +        help_button.set_tooltip(_('Help'))
 +        self.add(help_button)
 +
 +        self._palette = help_button.get_palette()
 +
 +        sw = Gtk.ScrolledWindow()
 +        sw.set_size_request(int(Gdk.Screen.width() / 2.8),
 +            Gdk.Screen.height() - style.GRID_CELL_SIZE * 3)
 +        sw.set_policy(Gtk.PolicyType.NEVER, Gtk.PolicyType.AUTOMATIC)
 +
 +        self._max_text_width = int(Gdk.Screen.width() / 3) - 600
 +        self._vbox = Gtk.VBox()
 +        self._vbox.set_homogeneous(False)
 +
 +        hbox = Gtk.HBox()
 +        hbox.pack_start(self._vbox, False, True, 0)
 +
 +        sw.add_with_viewport(hbox)
 +
 +        self._palette.set_content(sw)
 +        sw.show_all()
 +
 +        help_button.connect('clicked', self.__help_button_clicked_cb)
 +
 +    def __help_button_clicked_cb(self, button):
 +        self._palette.popup(immediate=True, state=1)
 +
 +    def add_section(self, section_text):
 +        hbox = Gtk.HBox()
 +        label = Gtk.Label()
 +        label.set_use_markup(True)
 +        label.set_markup('b%s/b' % section_text)
 +        label.set_line_wrap(True)
 +        hbox.pack_start(label, False, False, 0)
 +        hbox.show_all()
 +        self._vbox.pack_start(hbox, False, False, padding=5)
 +
 +    def add_paragraph(self, text, icon=None):
 +        hbox = Gtk.HBox()
 +        label = Gtk.Label(label=text)
 +        label.set_justify(Gtk.Justification.LEFT)
 +        label.set_line_wrap(True)
 +        hbox.pack_start(label, False, False, 0)
 +        if icon is not None:
 +            _icon = Icon(icon_name=icon)
 +            hbox.add(_icon)
 +        hbox.show_all()
 +        self._vbox.pack_start(hbox, False, False, padding=5)
 diff --git a/icons/help-icon.svg b/icons/help-icon.svg
 new file mode 100644
 index 000..f6c92bf
 --- /dev/null
 +++ b/icons/help-icon.svg
 @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
 +?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 +svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; version=1.1 width=55px 
 height=55px
 +  path
 +     style=fill:none;stroke:#ff;stroke-width:3;stroke-linejoin:round
 +     d=M 48,28 A 20,20 0 1 1 8,28 A 20,20 0 1 1 48,28 z/
 +  path
 +     
 style=fill:none;stroke:#ff;stroke-width:6;stroke-linecap:round;stroke-linejoin:round
 +     d=M 22,20 C 22,20 25,17 29,17 C 33,17 36,19 36,23 C 36,27 31,29 28,29 
 L 28,32 /
 +  path
 +     style=fill:#ff
 +     d=M 25,40
 +        a 3,3 0 1 1 6,0
 +        a 3,3 0 1 1 -6,0 z /
 +/svg
 diff --git a/terminal.py b/terminal.py
 index a37e2ac..803fed9 100644
 --- a/terminal.py
 +++ b/terminal.py
 @@ -42,6 +42,9 @@ from sugar3 import env
  from widgets import BrowserNotebook
  from widgets import TabLabel

 +from helpbutton import HelpButton
 +
 +
  MASKED_ENVIRONMENT = [
     'DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS',
     'PPID']
 @@ -104,6 +107,10 @@ class TerminalActivity(activity.Activity):

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Terminal] Drag And Drop from Clipboard / Uncomment some lines from Gtk3 Port

2012/6/19 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com

 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  The port to GTK3 is finished with this patch.
  Solved the drag and drop clipboard utility.

 This is really really good to read!

 There is a problem here, this is what I'm getting when I try to start
 the Terminal Activity:


This is strange, because it's working very well in my computer, I'll try it
on my XO.


  File /home/humitos/Activities/Terminal.activity/terminal.py, line
 151, in _update_accelerators
self._update_accelerators(child.get_page())

This method is called to solve this bug
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10930, but I commented this line and the
accelerators work perfectly, try to
comment the line 121 in terminal.py and tell us.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Terminal] Drag And Drop from Clipboard / Uncomment some lines from Gtk3 Port

On the XO-1.75, I got the same error as AguZ and Humitos, So, I'll make a
new patch without the line and the method and commit it directly.

Regards,
DanielF.

2012/6/19 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com



 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez 
 a...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Hi.
 I feel happy about your patch, but I'm getting the same message :(
 I also tried to comment that method and works perfectly, maybe it was
 solved in GTK3.

 Regards,
 aguz

 2012/6/19 S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org


 2012/6/19 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com

 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  The port to GTK3 is finished with this patch.
  Solved the drag and drop clipboard utility.

 This is really really good to read!

 There is a problem here, this is what I'm getting when I try to start
 the Terminal Activity:


 This is strange, because it's working very well in my computer, I'll try
 it on my XO.


  File /home/humitos/Activities/Terminal.activity/terminal.py, line
 151, in _update_accelerators
self._update_accelerators(child.get_page())

 This method is called to solve this bug
 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10930 , but I commented this line and the
 accelerators work perfectly, try to comment the line 121 in terminal.py and
 tell us.

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 Curious, I'm also not getting the error as Daniel describes.

 Daniel how did your test on the XO went?.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Terminal] Drag And Drop from Clipboard / Uncomment some lines from Gtk3 Port

Commited as:
http://git.sugarlabs.org/terminal/mainline/commit/9052568414547e260975b1525446ef072483947b
And corrected the commit with this other:
http://git.sugarlabs.org/terminal/mainline/commit/12863e8ddb032bccee57a591bd2422f65ad63b1a

Rafael, I think this is the time to put the branches correctly, with the
Gtk3 version in the mainline and make a new version with the changes.

Cheers,
DanielF.

2012/6/19 S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org

On the XO-1.75, I got the same error as AguZ and Humitos, So, I'll make a
new patch without the line and the method and commit it directly.

Regards,
DanielF.

2012/6/19 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez
a...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

Hi.
I feel happy about your patch, but I'm getting the same message :(
I also tried to comment that method and works perfectly, maybe it was
solved in GTK3.

Regards,
aguz

2012/6/19 S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org

2012/6/19 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
wrote:
The port to GTK3 is finished with this patch.
Solved the drag and drop clipboard utility.

This is really really good to read!

There is a problem here, this is what I'm getting when I try to start
the Terminal Activity:

This is strange, because it's working very well in my computer, I'll
try it on my XO.

File /home/humitos/Activities/Terminal.activity/terminal.py, line
151, in _update_accelerators
self._update_accelerators(child.get_page())

This method is called to solve this bug
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10930 , but I commented this line and the
accelerators work perfectly, try to comment the line 121 in terminal.py and
tell us.

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Curious, I'm also not getting the error as Daniel describes.

Daniel how did your test on the XO went?.

Thanks.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Terminal] Drag And Drop from Clipboard / Uncomment some lines from Gtk3 Port

I already changed it to fixed/closed.
Cheers.

2012/6/19 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, S. Daniel Francis
fran...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

Commited as:

http://git.sugarlabs.org/terminal/mainline/commit/9052568414547e260975b1525446ef072483947b
And corrected the commit with this other:

http://git.sugarlabs.org/terminal/mainline/commit/12863e8ddb032bccee57a591bd2422f65ad63b1a

Rafael, I think this is the time to put the branches correctly, with the
Gtk3 version in the mainline and make a new version with the changes.

I think that still we have a serious regression on SL#3655

after that we can make an stable gtk3 release.

Cheers,
DanielF.

2012/6/19 S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org

On the XO-1.75, I got the same error as AguZ and Humitos, So, I'll make
a new patch without the line and the method and commit it directly.

Regards,
DanielF.

2012/6/19 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez
a...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

Hi.
I feel happy about your patch, but I'm getting the same message :(
I also tried to comment that method and works perfectly, maybe it was
solved in GTK3.

Regards,
aguz

2012/6/19 S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org

2012/6/19 Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Francis
fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
The port to GTK3 is finished with this patch.
Solved the drag and drop clipboard utility.

This is really really good to read!

There is a problem here, this is what I'm getting when I try to start
the Terminal Activity:

This is strange, because it's working very well in my computer, I'll
try it on my XO.

File /home/humitos/Activities/Terminal.activity/terminal.py, line
151, in _update_accelerators
self._update_accelerators(child.get_page())

This method is called to solve this bug
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10930 , but I commented this line and
the accelerators work perfectly, try to comment the line 121 in
terminal.py
and tell us.

Cheers.

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Curious, I'm also not getting the error as Daniel describes.

Daniel how did your test on the XO went?.

Thanks.

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