What I am concerned about is making the system vulnerable by letting
arbitrary functions to execute within TA. I can imagine that Rainbow
would be of some protection here, but are there other things I can do
to restrict, say to the math module, the functions available.
Would TA make the
Since upgrading to a paraguay build of 0.84, the behaviour of the capacitive
pad seems to have changed. Rather than infrequent long periods of failure where
I needed to lick my finger or plug in a mouse, it seems to have shorter periods
more frequently of raised sensitivity, as if the pad is
On your OS140py, some icons are half outside the panel. I did miss the
scrollbar for quite a long time.
Tony
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El Fri, 21-05-2010 a las 04:13 -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis escribió:
This probably belongs to SugarLabs Devel but maybe the control panel layout
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:31:18AM -0400, Dave Bauer wrote:
I am thinking of a web-based form that would allow deployments to
customize their own SoaS spin.
This would be good for the Australian deployment who have asked how they could
get a soas which is an exact match of an xo build so
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 09:17:11AM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
On the plane to Miami, I've reorganized some of the reports sent by
various testers:
=== Bugs reported against os240 ===
[ ] Alt-1 does not capture a screenshot
alt 1 also works for me, os240py xo-1
[ ] Selecting pictures from the journal in Memorize kills the
application (journal error?)
Andres, this might be a regression introduced by your patch series.
I could not reproduce this on os240py or sugar-jhbuild with Memorize 34.
could not reproduce either, os240py xo-1
bugs os240py
Activities sometimes launch and stay in a window (seen with paint and turtle
blocks) but not happening today
more frequently the window appears only for a fraction of a second at launch
(with scratch and abacus the window is visible for half a second or so)
and
Pippy always
os240py
Measure sometimes locks up on recording a waveform, quitting from frame then
brings up metacity dialog activity is not responding Dont think there was any
error log.
more on delayed or absent pulsing start icon and activities starting in window:
i suspect the two may be related, on
os240py
font in Write is small and text does not fill the screen width
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I hope I understand you correctly.
There is a patch which has been applied to later builds.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Touchpad_driver_changes
I know it is in the os140py build and later.
The touchpad is monitored and if it gives bad data it is automatically
recalibrated.
The result is
OS 240py XO-1
Though I cannot see any way to create tabs in browse, sometimes clicking links
in frames creates tabs which behave erratically eg zero width tab
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/e/ec/Screenshot_of_Browse_0s240py_.png
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Sorry cant help with error log but:
space. But when I copied the same PDF file in my
.sugar/default/datastore folder. I am not able to browse for a PDF.
simply copying to datastore will probably not work, journal bundles include
mime type which control what Activities will open the file
Bernie
72 dpi icons looked good to me
Maybe the logic of big icons was not eyesight but touchpad control?
Though the target audience of the XO builds is still children 6-12, it
doesnt have to restrict the audience of other Sugar builds. Sugarlabs
can have a wider mission than OLPC.
There
Thanks Michael
I am interested in what each of these changes means for the user experience. Is
it possible to add a link to each of the listed changes so I (and maybe others)
can read up a bit on them?
Should this list be on the wiki? Maybe it is but I cant find it.
Like
Bernie
* Disabled the hot corners for the frame, as requested by
participants of the OLPC Realness Summit. I'm not convinced
this is really a gain, but let's first see how many people
ask to revert this change (tch, bernie)
good news is that this can be easily reverted with the
Furthermore, what all system parameters should be made available
through such a means (such as free memory, and cpu load)?
Suggestions and opinions welcome!
Time and date would be good.
I am not sure how important memory and cpu are to the average user but
there's plenty of room in the
Is there an online source for the workings of the OX? �I would be gladbr
to gobr
there and check that out.br
Hi
You can view the source at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Source_Code
you might read
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac
Tony
Rather than preventing breakage at all costs, which is rather hard, we
could spend some time to improve our backup/restore procedures to
minimize the chance of user data loss.
I like the idea of backup/restore
It is more consistent with the ideals in Walter's
Hi
I was playing with OS373pyg and managed to disable the touchpad. Fortunately I
was able to recover by pressing the power button.
I was expecting to get a dialogue or something. My thinking is that its too
easy to switch modes and that there should be some warning.
There is no key press
While you cursor is over the button, you can just click to revert.
Thanks
I missed that, did the cursor jump or was I being stupid? Either way it shows
that the unsuspecting user can get confused
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with os373pyg if i sort the journal by creation date, all entries (except
tamyblock.py) show a creation date 41 years 8 months ago. Is this right? If so
its not very useful.
tony
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That's a zero in a ctime property (it counts since the Unix epoch). Do new
entries display correct ctimes? It may be that a reindex didn't trigger on
upgrade.
depends on what you call a new entry, saved activities are all 41 years, but
saved photos, clipboard items and tamyblock.py(saved
By new entries I mean journal entries that were created after you upgraded to
a build with the journal sorting feature.
if i save a write document etc its 41 years old
the exceptions are clipboard items, photos and tamyblock.py
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Sugar's autosave can be a problem in other Activities too.
Create a program in Pippy, then look at one of the examples. All your work will
be overwritten. There is nothing you can do to prevent this, not even a panic
powerdown. I have viewed a favourite holiday photo in Browse, then used that
Create a program in Pippy, then look at one of the examples. All your work
will be overwritten.
That's a Critical bug, please file a ticket at https://bugs.sugarlabs.org
(with severity set to Critical).
done Ticket #2271
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Issues are
What modifications are students likely to do
What modifications are possible for a student to do
What additional benefits are there to students from a FOSS project.
It is possible for a student to submit a bug report to bugs.sugarlabs.org, they
can even submit their own patch
*Tony* - *Having a FOSS culture means that lots of smaller design
decisions are made which empower the learner*
Soren
I find it a bit strange being asked to explain FOSS culture. I run Windows on
my computer and see myself as a little bit of an outsider.
It is, I guess, difficult to define
Thanks S Page
That was very helpful
I have logged it as bug #2388
Tony
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
I have created a Pippy program to map sea surface temperature.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Tonyforster#Sea_Surface_Temperature_Mapping
Please use these builds only for reporting back 0.90 issues. There are
surely issues that are due to integration issues. Leave them for now.
How do I tell what an integration issue is? Do you only want bugs on new
features and not regressions?
Tony
Quoting Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com:
I have a partial draft of a textbook on the subject at
http://www.booki.cc/discovering-discovery/ It encourages XO owners to
explore on their own and find out what questions they have before we
give them answers.
I like the idea. It encourages users
** Ideally we should try harder to better layer complexity in the
Write, Calculate, et al UIs so that you need to drill down to the
more complex features while the common/novice features are exposed
early at the top level — but it seams there's only so far you can
take this (Write and
Tested on 0.84, the journal is not ruined.
Tested on 0.90 the journal is not ruined
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Hi
Sorry if I do not fully understand this. The proposal is that an ErrorAlert
will be created which must be dismissed by its OK button. Is there any
possibility that a large number of errors can be created, each needing to be
manually dismissed?
We can improve the helpfulness of this
Hi all
Its been suggested that the XO could be turned into a crystal radio.
Any suggestions of an easy way to get data from the microphone socket to the
speaker?
Tony
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Thanks Gary
quick and dirty is good
I will try it
Tony
Hi Tony,
On 1 Dec 2010, at 07:41, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Hi all
Its been suggested that the XO could be turned into a crystal radio.
Any suggestions of an easy way to get data from the microphone socket to
the speaker?
Interesting...can you elaborate? (crystal radio was a childhood
obsession of mine...)
Sameer
see
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors#The_XO_as_an_audio_amplifier
I was able to build a crystal radio from XO, wire, cardboard, plastic sheet and
foil
I went to delete Read 88 to try to restore Read 87 and found that
erase has been disabled.
An unfortunate side effect of protected activities is that you cant downgrade
the version
The fix is to go to Gnome and delete the relevant directory in
/home/olpcActivities
Tony
Chat also has text to speech
it might be tapping into some common library?
Tony
The Sugar Speak activity provides a keyboard to speech function. The
learner types words, then presses enter. The text is spoken.
I'm personally not aware of a general purpose text to speech function
for the rest
Thank Mikus. Thats fantastic. Turtle Art now has text to speech
http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/2011/02/turtle-art-text-to-speech.html
Tony
Haven't sugarized espeak, but can run it from the command line:
espeak hello --stdout | aplay
mikus
The release notes describe V106 as the 'Birthday' release.
Happy birthdays, Walter and Raul
Tony
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Turtle Art Arduino, at least when I last ran it, requires Firmata software in
the Arduino. So the Arduino is acting as a dumb I/O expansion board and is not
being programmed as an autonomous robot. The user is programming in TurtleArt.
I used the Arduino Duemilanove but I don't think the
Hi
I think it is a good idea if students can also create lists, its another way to
learn literacy.
You are presumably concerned that students will 'cheat' by
a)looking in the word list
b)substitute an easier word list
The solutions might be
a)allow teachers and students to create encrypted
Hi
Maybe there are two concepts and two icons. One is 'create a new document' and
the other 'expose the inner workings'. A more extreme example, in the Sliderule
Activity, you can create custom sliderules with fragments of Python code. Thats
inner workings. Is a new Memorise game more like a
Quoting Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.au:
Is there a good way to record screencasts of a Sugar session on an XO?
The best I can find is this:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Screencast
I wrote most of that page. Screencast was buggy but I could make it
work, Sugar or
Using Browse 108.4, as distributed with OLPC OS 10.1.3, how can I
change the home page? I want the home page button to go to somewhere
else.
this might work:
webactivity.py
(3 / 1)
357 357 if os.path.isfile(_LIBRARY_PATH):
358 358
copied to sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Tony:
Here in Uruguay (as you probably already know) the �Buti� Project works
in
XO robotics through Arduino. This is certainly the most realistic option.
I liked the 'PICAXE', which I did not know!.
When I bought the LM567 also
Kevin
Thats good! Please document somewhere all the steps you took.
We should bring all the robotics/sensor stuff together somewhere. (I saw there
was free Linux software for the Picaxe too). Deployments can then choose what
I/O hardware suits them.
Tony
I have a Ti Launchpad (a $4.30 USD
Anish
If someone can get the night mode on the camera to work, it might turn
out to be an interesting experiment ;-)
I was able to alter the camera controls, crank up the gain and get to
the noise limit but may not have enabled a specific 'night mode'
http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2651
Sridhar
Just thought of another option
Turtle Art can broadcast a slideshow to other laptops in a shared session
Tony
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Am I correct that removing the installed activity makes this happen?
It seems to.
Some activities (eg turtleart) are protected and cannot easily be
removed to allow a downgrade. In this case
switch to Gnome
chmod 777 Activities
in file browser show hidden files
remove Activity's
Sridhar
This problem also happens in sugar 0.88 373pyg
Tony
We have found a problem that could lead to data loss in the field.
General summary:
A shares an activity
B connects to A's shared instance
Collaborative work is done by A and B
A closes the activity
B continues to
Hi Sugar and olpc world
What are people doing to celebrate Software Freedom Day this year?
We are having an event in our city (Auckland, NZ) and are planning to show
the XOs and if I can get some USBs then give out Sugar on a Stick. I am
hoping to find a good printer to get some posters
Do you know what Sugar version is using Tony?
Gonzalo
os868au Sugar 0.84.31
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I could use a pointer to the
install for the version having the issue.
I can't find 868au now but 869au is at
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/olpc-au/XO/F11/10.1.3/
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I have a new version of Sugar Commander which leaves a Journal entry behind.
Tested OK on 0.84.31 0.88 and 0.92
I think the Journal entry is useful
The scrollbar for description also scrolls title and tags, given that the
description will get longer and longer, the title and tags will scroll
I updated Sugar Commander this morning. You can find the new version at:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8919415/SugarCommander-8.xo
I put the Description entry in the Journal entry file and give the entry a
MIME of text/plain.
Thanks James
Tested OK on 0.84, 0.88 and 0.92
I think that being
PS It would be fun if you could export the Journal as a text file.
The Journal entry IS a text file.
Sorry
I should have explained myself better
Not the journal entry, the journal itself, the whole journal
then you could do an analysis of what you did when accross all Activities
Tony
the close icon is
not sugarized. The coloring of the tabs is not in a Sugar style and the
text does not elipsize - hence the tabs can have different sizes (see
Firefox for an example here).
Yes. Another problem is that sometimes pages have no title. The tab is very
small then and very
- which should be the wording of the option Firefox has ('Open Link in
New Tab')?
or just 'Open in New Tab'
- which icon should the option have (maybe a '+', maybe the Browse icon
with a +...)?
the suggestion of 'right arrow +' sounded good
- which order should the items have? The
Hi
The full context for [1] is
self.ps_watcher.log('Calling Buddy %s.GetProperties()', object_path)
in general, everything within the quote marks except %s is translatable but
this appears to be some kind of programming diagnostic message and the
universal language of programming is English
Looking into it further
I have looked at the Analyze output and the diagnostic print out had the text
from [1] preceded by a line
GetBuddies() returned dbus
where GetBuddies() is a procedure name in the program which is invariant in
different languages
On that basis, it makes more sense
maybe translate none of the strings that appear in the log window
just translate table headings where it makes sense in the context of a French
speaking programmer?
Hi Chris, Gary, Tony
Le dimanche 18 septembre 2011 Ã 09:17 +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au a
écrit :
Hi
The full
Anish
Telescope 11 fails to start on XO-1.75 OS881
Tony
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/sugar-activity, line 21, in module
main.main()
File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py, line 158, in
main
create_activity_instance(activity_constructor,
(added IAEP to the distribution because this is more about the education than
the tech)
simon wrote:
Ok, the reason why I brought this up is that git is one of our main
tools for development and if we ever want kids to start developing...
The idea that including git has educational
On 27 October 2011 08:43, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote:
Is there a way for an xo bundle to install a font to the system (for cairo
to use)?
Maybe you could include a script that copies the fonts to ~/.fonts ?
Then a potential problem is that when you uninstall the Activity
On 31 October 2011 13:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
On 27 October 2011 08:43, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote:
Is there a way for an xo bundle to install a font to the system (for
cairo
to use)?
Maybe you could include a script that copies the fonts to ~/.fonts ?
(2) Should I add my Physics toolbar plugin to the release or leave it
as a separate install... If you haven't tried it, it is really fun.
But perhaps a distraction?
I can confirm that it is really fun. It means that you can create
machines with a precision that is not possible in Physics.
Does this help?
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines
Tony
Is Sugar themed in this way?
http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity
(understanding that mutter will make this obsolete, what I am trying to
figure out is...)
Where is the equivalent description of the look and
Neither of these Activities have an ASLO link to a wiki page
It looks like both require extra software to be installed and this is beyond
the skills of the average teacher without guidance
A wiki page describing the steps to get these Activities working would be good,
Being able to display
out of curiosity: What is the advantage of using this activity over
VNCLauncher (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/de/sugar/addon/4311)?
Out of curiosity, i tried VNCLauncher on OS880
Firstly, I was able to install the client - TigerVNC (though you need root to
do it)
and run it
sudo yum
The shift from colour to monochrome is noticable and would be annoying if it
happened a lot, for example as clouds pass, trees and people move.
If the hysterisis, the difference between cutin and cutout brightness is large,
the change in mode will happen a lot less frequently and not be
Thanks Paul
The logic appears to be buggy, see #11487: XO-1.75 OS12 backlight is off when
you come back inside
As it stands, neither the monochrome nor colour modes are OK in full sunlight.
The colour mode causes a significant loss of resolution for reading small black
text and even more
fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Thanks Paul
thanks for testing!
The logic appears to be buggy, see #11487: XO-1.75 OS12 backlight
is off when you come back inside
okay, more testing is needed. as you noted, it's quite hard to tell
when it's on and off. i'll see if i can
Can somebody please restart the server wiki.sugarlabs.org
(I suspect I crashed it, Browse fails to download pages if you dont wave the
mouse around, that resulted me leaving it with a file rename form open for 15
minutes and I suspect something timed out)
*Documentation TBD in
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ClassroomBroadcast
I have edited this documentation
Tony
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As predicted, Measure's stereo input on the XO-1.5 worked and the biggest
problem was the triggering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3vKVTW1LQA
Tony
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Dominik Granada dgran...@frks.pl wrote:
Hi,
did anyone try to repeat Ch. Stoll sound wave measurement
David
This message was sent with a gsm dongle on an xo-1
modem:Huawei E160E
carrier:Locked to Dodo (an Optus reseller)
XO-1
OS31 development which is same as os884 signed
in my settings, enter username, password, leave *99# unaltered, dodolns1,
blank, blank
turn off power management,
Thanks
I have noticed another issue with the mobile dongle. OS31, XO-1.75
Press the power button once and wait for sleep. The dongle remains powered on
(which is a good or bad thing depending on your point of view), then press the
power button to wake the laptop, the dongle is briefly turned
Paul
Tried this with a XO-1.75 and a XO-1.5 both running OS31
Tried a Huawei mobile dongle, a memory stick and a mouse
The only case where a USB device remains powered during sleep is the mobile
dongle on the 1.75
Tony
fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Thanks
I have noticed another
Paul
Keeping the dongle powered also happens with automatic power management on the
1.75 (ie 15 seconds with no input). Same problem though, keyboard or trackpad
input to wake up powers down the dongle.
It takes 35 seconds for the dongle to appear in the frame, then user input is
required,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Pilas
is interesting, I have translated the English documentation
I can only get it to execute in immediate mode, I expect you can run it from
Pippy or Terminal/python but I get import errors when I try
Tony
Tested the os9 build for a few basic tests, reports below:
...
? Pippy
? warnings in the terminal console before any example related text
appears (annoying)
...
See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3492
Pippy -import pippy produces warnings
Tony
Flavio
I also get 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'set_invoker'
on the XO-1.75, Browse on Webkit
See Ticket #3503 comment 5
I don't know if the disable JIT fix will be relevant to this.
Tony
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gobject/constants.py:24: Warning:
g_boxed_type_register_static:
Thanks
I will look at the error log more carefully when crashing
Its been one of the last things in the log when crashing and I assumed it was
the cause
Tony
2012/5/23 fors...@ozonline.com.au:
Flavio
I also get 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'set_invoker'
on the XO-1.75, Browse on
Another thing that I'd like to mention is the language. This list is
in English, and it would be good if we can respect that. I wouldn't
like to start reading emails in German or Chineese (I don't have any
problem with those languages, but I don't understand a word :P )
Thanks for raising
Hi
I have an Activity which has:
self.textview = gtk.TextView()
self.textview.connect(key_press_event, self.keypress_cb)
I am only getting key_press_event from the OSK from enter and backspace
I only open the OSK when clicking in the textview if I have first clicked on
Added a link from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Write
Tony
On 31/10/2012 13:04, Walter Bender wrote:
Could you please put these instructions in the wiki? It would be
useful beyond sugar-devel.
See also http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12161
Tony
Hi folks,
I made a simple Sugar activity to test the XO-4's multi-touch screen:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4611/
It works fine most of the time. Sometimes the touch contact ends unexpectedly
without lifting
Ajay
You do not say which OS you are using or whether its Sugar or Gnome desktop.
For most of 13.1.0 the modem dongle has not been appearing in the Sugar frame.
It was fixed at OS11 I think but I have not tested it a lot to see if its
always there in the frame.
Tony
I have heard from other
I repeated these tests
XO-1.75 and XO-4
OS14
Huawei E160E modem
Imation 8GB memory stick
I was unable to replicate the fault described by Ajay, the modem appeared in
the frame, both plugged in after boot and before boot
but for both laptops
In the first test, memory stick and modem plugged in
USB flash drive
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 06:08:26PM +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
I repeated these tests
Thanks!
XO-1.75 and XO-4
OS14
Huawei E160E modem
Imation 8GB memory stick
Is this actually a Memory Stick or do you mean a USB flash drive?
Hi James,
I agree that the frame icon for the modem may not be present if power
managament was enabled,
The frame does work with the Power Management option unchecked. What does
the frame icon for the modem mean?
see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Gsm_share_state0.png
which shows
Hi!
I'm sorry if this has been asked before but I woud like to know how to
catch touch events or e-book mode programmatically?
ebook: /dev/input/event3 (XO-1.75) event4 (XO-1.0 - 1.5)
from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art#Device_I.2FO
Tony
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wrote:
Hi everybody,
Now, if we download or copy a .xo to the journal, it is installed
automatically and doesn't informs to the user that the activity is being
installed.
Is this a change in 13.1.0? I
Hi
As a beginner, I found creating a Sugar Activity difficult. More difficult than
creating a program to run from Terminal or Pippy. You might get better value
using Pygame and writing something that can run from Pippy. The goal could be
to create more Pippy built in samples.
If you are going
Kartik
Thanks for creating this Sugar Activity, well done.
Some comments, the users may be very inexperienced programmers so anything that
helps them is worthwhile. The list of example programs on the left require a
double click to load, Sugar does not generally have double clicks so this
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 05:17:02PM +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Is there any way for them to install gcc?
I've had a quick look at gcc 4.7.2 sources and they appear to support
the usual --prefix method of configuring, so that they might be
installed in the directories of a
Sure Tony,
Thanks for your valuable comments. I will look into the changes. Also, I
will look for method that takes the children through steps to install gcc
if its not there already.
Thanks,
A couple more ideas, it might be better to compile with the -lm switch so you
can use math functions
I am for option 1.
Tony
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