Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 1:40 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at 
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso 
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
>
> The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.

Great, do we know why/how this slipped through the gaps? For those
that aren't aware the Fedora schedule for F-36 is at the following
link. The main date to note is the final freeze on 5th April.

https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-36/f-36-key-tasks.html

> Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and deployed to 
> F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the current 
> stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3.
>
> --
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Announcement: Sugar on a Stick (SoaS) 34 released today

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Fedora 34 was released today, which means that we've got a new release
> of Sugar on a Stick 34, which includes Sugar 0.118, and can be
> downloaded from:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34-1.2.iso
>
> It's one gigabyte in size.
>
> ..and written to any USB stick using BalenaEtcher, Fedora Imager Writer,
> or whatever your favorite/preferred image writing tool is.
>
>
> an installation image (non-live environment) for 32-bit ARM devices,
> such as the Raspberry Pi 2-3, is also available at:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.armhfp.raw.xz
> The above image is 1.8 gigabytes.

You also forgot the new kid for F-34 the aarch64 image:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/34/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.aarch64.raw.xz


> Special thanks to Sugar Labs member and contributor Ibiam Chihurumnaya,
> AKA 'chimosky', for co-maintaining many/most of these Fedora activities,
> as well as the core Sugar Fedora packages, which, as a whole, make up
> Sugar on a Stick.
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
> Sugar Labs Contributor & Fedora Package Wrangler
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Call for testing of Fedora 34 beta Sugar On A Stick

[Peter Robinson]

> This is a call for testing of the upcoming Fedora 34 based Sugar on a Stick, 
> which is now ready for testing on the following platforms:
>
> For 64-bit PCs, the ISO can be downloaded from:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso
>
> The installer based version of SoaS for 32-bit ARM can be downloaded from 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.armhfp.raw.xz
>
> ...and finally, we have a new variant of SoaS for 64-bit ARM devices, which 
> is also installer-based, and available for download at 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.aarch64.raw.xz
>
> Please test on real hardware if possible. All you need to do is download and 
> write the image to a USB stick, with Fedora Media Writer, which can be 
> downloaded from https://github.com/FedoraQt/MediaWriter/releases/tag/4.2.0

So the arm images aren't actually installer images, they're pre
installed images so similar to live images, details for installing
them are at the following link and I believe the Media Writer can be
used for images destined to run on Raspberry Pis
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Installation
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being deprecated and 
> needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue where startup goes 
> straight to login.
>
> Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be tested.
> Download here.
>
> I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to reflect 
> this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose image but Peter 
> can tell if it's wise to.

The link is for rawhide which is the nightly development snapshots, it
might be worthwhile putting a link for those interested in testing
that to know the state of SoAS for the next release and be able to
test issues with it and provide fixes, there's also an arm  nightly
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick is available now!

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:11 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>
> Fedora 32 has been released, and the Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick spin is 
> available for download from https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-x86_64-ISO. It is 950 
> megabytes in size.
>
> The 32-bit Fedora SoaS ARM image, suitable for use on Raspberry Pi 1/2/3, is 
> also available at https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-armhfp-raw and is 730 megabytes in 
> size. Also worthy of note, the armhfp kernel supplied in this image has been 
> verified to boot from USB on an unlocked OLPC XO-1.75, although it's very, 
> very slow.

To clarify the RPi 1 is not supported (nor is the zero), just the 2/3/3+.

> This is a purely Python 3 based Sugar environment, and Python 2 activities 
> will not run here at all. This is the first version of Sugar on a Stick to 
> drop Python 2 completely, and a few of the bundled activities which have yet 
> to be ported to Python 3 were removed from this release, and will re-appear 
> at which point the porting and testing of them is complete.
>
> From: Matthew Miller 
> Date: April 28, 2020 at 6:55 AM
> To: annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> CC: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Fedora 32 is available now!
>
> It’s here! We’re proud to announce the release of Fedora 32.
> Thanks to the hard work of thousands of Fedora community
> members and contributors, we’re celebrating yet another
> on-time release!
>
> Read the official announcement at:
>
> * https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-32/
>
> or just go ahead and grab it from:
>
> * https://getfedora.org/
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick beta ISO ready for testing

[Peter Robinson]

> Fedora 32 has entered beta state, and the Sugar on a Stick beta ISO (size is 
> 1 gigabyte) can be downloaded from http://bit.ly/SoaS-F32-Beta-ISO
>
> One known issue is that the IRC activity fails to start, and can not be used, 
> as it's not yet been ported to Python 3.

There's currently 4 Activities in the Beta that aren't moved to
Python3. They will be dropped from the live image if they're not fixed
by the Final freeze comes into place.

> The current target final release date for Fedora 32 is Tuesday, April 21st, 
> though this may change if need be.

The development freeze comes into force on Tue 2020-04-07 so
everything should be fixed by then, anything after that point needs
bug reports and to go through an exception process to get in.

> Please test on real hardware if possible, and send/provide reports to 
> s...@lists.sugarlabs.org as necessary.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Peter Robinson]

> > > > > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, [...]
> > > > Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose. [...]
> > >
> > > As far as I can see all those deps are there.
> > >
> > > I see the following crash:
> > >
> > > Traceback (most recent call last): [...]
> > >   File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line 113, 
> > > in _build_treeview
> > > sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
> > > AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'
> >
> > Thanks.  It was a GTK breaking change.
> >
> > Fixed in 42f3f31 ("Fix AttributeError on GTK 3.24.14")
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20/commits/42f3f31711b32f2ed82a1487e9584ea2536dd2af
> >
> > Not tested, please test.
>
> I did a scratch build and the Log activity ran and I could see logs so
> with basic testing it seems fine. Thanks for the fix. I've pushed a
> build fix which will be in tomorrow's images.
>
> Early this morning I also pushed a bunch of other Activity updates etc
> to assist Ibiam in getting things updated, I think all the simple ones
> should be done. I think I got Paint, FotoToon, Clock, Words, Finance,
> Finance, possibly some others but I didn't get too much testing done
> before I ran out of time, all of the change should be in tomorrow
> image so if people could test them further that would be fab.
>
> I think Fedora 32 freezes for Beta tomorrow so after tomorrow further
> fixes will need to go through exception process, I can assist Ibiam
> with that.

So we are now in freeze for Beta.

The latest image for those who can test is:
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-32-20200225.n.0/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-20200225.n.0.iso
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-32-20200225.n.0/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-32-20200225.n.0-sda.raw.xz
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Peter Robinson]

> > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, ideally should be
> > ported to python 3.
>
> No, v41 is Python 3 already, and should work.  Does work on Ubuntu
> 20.04 beta.  Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose.
>
> The dependencies are unusual for this activity; check you have covered
> them properly.  On Ubuntu 20.04 the dependencies include;
>
> python3, python3-sugar3, python3-gi, python3-urllib3,
> gir1.2-glib-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, gir1.2-pango-1.0,
> net-tools, procps

As far as I can see all those deps are there.

I see the following crash:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity3", line 5, in 
activityinstance.main()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/sugar3/activity/activityinstance.py",
line 230, in main
instance = create_activity_instance(activity_constructor, activity_handle)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/sugar3/activity/activityinstance.py",
line 59, in create_activity_instance
activity = constructor(handle)
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
458, in __init__
self.viewer = MultiLogView(paths, ext_files)
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
75, in __init__
self._build_treeview()
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
113, in _build_treeview
sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:22 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> I looked at the sugar repo in the fedora sources repository and noticed that 
> the sugar version is still v0.114,
> I'm not good with packaging but I can help apply patches up to the latest 
> version - v0.116 -, I'd like to know
> how applying patches works. Thanks.

How do you apply patches without packaging?

Please read the Fedora docs on packaging:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/

> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:10 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
>> people are testing it.
>>
>> Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
>> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
>> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
>>
>> We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
>> them by Monday.
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:00 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Thanks.  Tested on the OLPC Infinity and also QEMU.  No great
> surprises.  Seems ready for release.  Summary of observations;
>
> - it's Sugar 0.114, obsolete now,

Yes, but pre beta when I had to deal with the release it was the
latest and greatest ;-)

> - default microphone level is really low,

Is that on specific HW or in general?

> - the Moon activity is surprisingly and repeatedly sluggish to start,
>   leaving two blank rectangles on screen, with no useful log output;
>   it's a JavaScript activity, and that may be significant,

Changes it webkitgtk maybe?

> - the Write activity has the severe AbiWord flicker problem reported
>   in 2016, fixed upstream by AbiWord in June 2018; but I guess it
>   hasn't made it into Fedora 31 yet,

I've not seen a new upstream release, do you have a link to the
required patch(s) by chance?

> - wireless scan results disappear from the network view totally, then
>   if you disconnect from ad-hoc they come back again,

Weird, I'm guessing this is card specific but I'm just guessing.

> - collaboration does not work; as tested with Chat activity, which may
>   relate to sugar-toolkit-gtk3:88ea8e1 and other collaboration fixes
>   that have made it into Sugar 0.116.

telepathy also needs to be fixed, it was failure to build and had to
be rescued, Alex took over those packages, with me sponsoring him and
said he would fix them pre-beta and I've since had radio silence
since. This has other implications because I will need assistance in
the move to python3 from a packaging PoV as I really don't have the
time any more to do this all on my own.

Peter


> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 09:10:08AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
> > people are testing it.
> >
> > Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
> >
> > We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
> > them by Monday.
> >
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
people are testing it.

Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/

We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
them by Monday.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The plan moving forward for SoaS with Fedora 31 and Fedora 32

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:02 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 08:41:32AM -0700, Alex Perez wrote:
> > Forwarding an abridged version of Peter's response to the SoaS ML for
> > completeness, and so we can continue the conversation there.
>
> Thanks.  Interesting.
>
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > Subject: Re: Packages in Fedora
> >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:02:59 +0100
> >From: Peter Robinson 
> >  To: Alex Perez 
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > > Thanks for reaching out. I am working on Telepathy-salut and
> > > telepathy-gabble buildability tomorrow evening.
> >
> > Reach out on IRC or email if you need help there.
> >
> > With this update I think we're over the line for Beta and hence out of
> > the woods for the moment.
> >
> > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-dd8c4e8c66
>
> Paraphrasing, gnome-python2 did fail to build and has been fixed.
> My comment; the dependency should disappear with 0.115.

Yes, and in fact I believe, although may well be wrong here, it's
purely a dependency of the old gtk2 sugar-toolkit and associated
Activities and will basically disappear when we decide to drop any
that haven't moved to gtk3.

> > If you could test and provide karma on it that would be great, it's
> > basically approved as a freeze exception so once that is ACKed we
> > should have images. I also updated to the 0.114 release as part of
> > that update.
> >
> > F-31 has branched off Rawhide now and I
> > think we get that working as a compose, which should happen in the
> > next day or so. It has 0.114 so we test and basically call that one
> > done.
> >
> > Rawhide is open now for F-32 development for a May release next year
> > and we aim that one for python3. We have working images as of today
> > for that with basically the same contents as F-31.
> >
> > The following bug has all the other python2 bugs attached to it so I'm
> > using it as a general tracker:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1737929
> >
> > The way I see it what we need to do is as follows:
> >
> > 1) Move as many Activities over sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as possible, kill
> > off the rest and retire sugar-toolkit (and I think we can retire
> > sugar-base then too). See details below around some of this below.
> > There was a thread a number of months ago where a bunch of these were
> > discussed. There doesn't appear to have been much movement, some just
> > need a release tagged.
>
> Yes, please.  We have a checklist for this;
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#checklist---maintainer

Who from the Sugar community is going to take the lead on this?

> > 2)  Build a version of sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that supports both python2
> > and python3 Basically sugar-activity3. I believe this should actually
> > be possible with 0.114 to some degree but a new release would likely
> > be better. This allows Activities move over independently. Once the
> > migration is complete we disable the python2 build.
>
> Using 0.114 is doable if you can keep the Python 2 Telepathy static
> binding.  If you can't, then use TelepathyGLib, with 88ea8e1 ("Port to
> TelepathyGLib").
>
> You'll also hit porting bugs found after 0.114, especially when you
> begin to package activities; 381c9b1 ("Fix install TypeError").
>
> You may also need ed46c21 ("Port to six") and the two others following.
>
> I'm working toward 0.115 but there are critical bugs yet to fix, so
> attention on these would be welcome.  Please get involved.

Can we have a 0.114.9x series of RCs done as we go towards that
release tagged? That would make it easier to get it into Rawhide and
people can then just grab nightly composes to test against which in
turn will assist in finding critical issues.

> https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects/1
>
> None of them are on the toolkit.
>
> > 3) Move the core sugar UX to python3. I believe we should be able
> > sugar UX and datastore over independently as I believe the Activities
> > communicate with the later via dbus.
>
> Yes, you can keep sugar on Python 2, if you can keep the Python 2
> Telepathy static binding.  If you can't, you'll need sugar:f8f506b
> ("Port to TelepathyGLib").

I've got python-telepathy on the list of py2 packages we currently
depend on. Ultimately if we can move the core sugar UX, datastore and
any Activities to py3 while keeping a sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that's py2
compatible I would prefer moving as much as possible to py3.

> Yes, you can keep datastore on Python 2, if you can keep Xap

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] F30 ARM (Raspberry Pi) SoaS not working, but a fix exists..

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:16 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> James Cameron wrote on 5/19/19 3:50 PM:
> > That's unfortunate.
> Agreed, but it was due to a lack of testing.
> >
> > Were the Fedora 30 ARM builds being tested before release?
> They were, but only in QEMU, it would seem. The temporary workaround is
> to fetch the initramfs referenced below, and then, after imaging the
> image to an SD card using $preferredImagingMethod (Fedora Image Writer,
> for most folks, would be their best bet), just copy the downloaded
> initrd over to the boot partition on the SD card.
> >
> > Are the Fedora 31 ARM builds being tested?
> I am informed by pwhalen that, as of today, the image is still broken in
> rawhide (which will become F31) but that it will be fixed in the coming
> days/weeks, now that there's a bug for the issue:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1711475

Should now now fixed in rawhide/F-31. Testing and confirmation welcome.

Peter

> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 09:01:25AM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote:
> >> Current f30 soas release for a Rpi3B+ (arm) do not boot [1]
> >>
> >> There is a solution:
> >>
> >>   "if you replace the initramfs with this one - 
> >> [1]https://fedorapeople.org/
> >> ~pwhalen/soas/initramfs-5.0.9-301.fc30.armv7hl.img ...it will boot." 
> >> 
> >> on #fedora-arm
> >>
> >> Hopefully this can be fixed in a rebuild for f30 arm
> >>
> >> Tom Gilliard
> >>
> >> satellit on freenode #fedora-qa
> >>
> >> [1] [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_30#not_working
> >>
> >> References:
> >>
> >> [1] 
> >> https://fedorapeople.org/~pwhalen/soas/initramfs-5.0.9-301.fc30.armv7hl.img
> >> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_30#not_working
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 30 SoaS (Sugar on A Stick) final released

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:58 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
>>
>> The Fedora 30 release was earlier today, and with it comes the Fedora 30 
>> Sugar on a Stick environment, which now has functional collaboration, out of 
>> the box. It includes Sugar 0.113, which incorporates the necessary fixes.
>>
>>
>> For those who would like to try or use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, you can 
>> download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, or your preferred 
>> raw image writing utility to stick the contents on a USB drive. 
>> Alternatively, the two ISOs below can be booted as a Virtual Machine, using 
>> VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other virtualization software.
>>
>> Here are your download links:
>>
>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso
>>   <<--- this link did not work
>
>
> https://mirrors.rit.edu/fedora/fedora/linux//releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso
>   <<--- this link works

The first link sends a redirect to the closest mirror, while the
mirror manager is pretty good it might be catching up due to load of
release, and the first link is likely still good for a lot of people
depending on where you are.

>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/30/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-30-1.2.iso
>>
>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-30-1.2-sda.raw.xz
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 30 (Release Candidate 1) SoaS images ready for testing

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:28 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
>
> Just under the wire, we have managed to get some critical Sugar on a Stick 
> issues fixed, which are now included in Fedora 30 SoaS images. I would like 
> to extend a very special thanks to Peter Robinson, who took time out of his 
> busy schedule to assist in getting the Fedora packages updated with the 
> necessary fixes and patches. Thank you, Peter. This will be the first Fedora 
> SoaS in several releases to have functional collaboration within Sugar, and 
> it is thanks to your work, as well as community testers who take the time to 
> test these new packages, and report back with the results.
>
> For those who would like to test ot use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, Release 
> Candidate 1, you can download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, 
> or your preferred raw image writing utility to stick the contents on a USB 
> drive. Alternatively, these ISOs can be booted as a Virtual Machine, using 
> VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other virtualization software.
>
> Here are your download links:
>
> For 32-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-32-bit (891 megabyte 
> ISO)
> For 64-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-64-bit (942 megabytes)

Arm image for those that might be interested in using as Raspberry Pi
or similar device:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/30_RC-1.1/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-30-1.1-sda.raw.xz

> Here is what's been fixed:
>
> * Sugar 0.113 is included by default
> * Collaboration works out of the box
> * Able to connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org when configured (this is related to 
> the fix for collaboration, thanks to James Cameron for this)
> * A patch/hotfix to 0.113, which resolves Sugar 0.113 starting up. Special 
> thanks to Rahul "Pro-Panda" Bothra for this contribution.
>
>
>
> The final release of Fedora 30 is expected to be made between April 30th and 
> May 7th, depending on a number of factors. The F30 release schedule is 
> documented at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/30/Schedule
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Collaboration Between Activities Fail

[Peter Robinson]

You might want to check the local firewall ports

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:09 PM Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> We've been working on installing SOAS on some computers in a school and we
> were testing collaboration using CAT5 cables connected to a router
> and also connected to the two computers running the SOAS instances, the
> both instances are seen on the two computers but after joining an activity
> the "Joining activity" alert and collaboration doesn't happen.
>
> Logs here .
>
> --
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>
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>
> Website: https://samsongoddy.me/  
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Errors from Soas 29

[Peter Robinson]

Have you applied all the latest updates to Fedora, a number of issues have
been fixed with Fedora 29 updates.

Peter

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:52 AM Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Ibiam and I are currently working to install Sugar in the classroom, so we
> decided to download Soas 32-bit versions. After installing, we ran into
> some problems immediately after the desktop booted which can be found
> here[1]. I also noticed whenever I click on the speaker icon, the bottom of
> the frame becomes darker. I tested collaboration using Jabber service,
> Ibiam couldn't find the desktop on the neighborhood but the desktop can
> alongside.
>
>   Quick question? what are the best ways to make sugar to talk to each
> other? Those desktop are using mini USB wifi adaptors(working on windows)
> but not Soas. I will be testing on more systems by Wednesday.
>
> Logs[2]
>
>
>
>
>
> [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Known_bugs
> [2]https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4QIR-XATy2wmnZb2VbNn3A
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

Hey James,

Happy New Year!

> > > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > > > >
> > > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > > > directories.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > > >
> > > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all 
> > > > right.
> > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> > > >
> > > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> > > >
> > > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > > > >
> > > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > > > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > > > >
> > > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> > > >
> > > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> > > >
> > > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some 
> > > > >> work
> > > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > > > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > > > >
> > > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > > > organisation.
> > > >
> > > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
> > >
> > > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> > > a v0.114 around 6th October.
> >
> > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > later.
>
> Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> introspection for Telepathy.
>
> There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
>
> With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> discussion at the weekly meeting.

Just thought I'd do a check in to see how you're getting on with the
python3 port, just trying to do a bit of planning for the next few
months.

I updated all the various Activities to the latest versions the other
day, except I couldn't find the latest version of TurtleBlocks, on the
download site the latest is 216 and I couldn't find it in git.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Help soas is not building in fedora30 rawhide

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:41 PM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 05:23:44PM -0500, Frederick Grose wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 5:03 PM Thomas Gilliard  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Helpsoas is not building in fedora30 rawhide
> >
> > The livemedia.log shows this error report:
>
> Thanks for finding that, I had no idea where it would be.
>
> > ...
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,578 INFO pylorax: Non interactive installation failed:
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: Problem: conflicting requests
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > ld-linux-armhf.so.3 needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > ld-linux-armhf.so.3(GLIBC_2.4) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.5) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_ARM_1.3.3) needed by
> > sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64.
>
> An architecture mixup.
>
> Cause is the Fedora package for x86_64 contains ARM architecture files
> in library/box2d_arm/, which in turn are in the tar.gz, also in the
> .xo file, and also in git.
>
> Fixes might be one of;
>
> 1.  adjust the package to remove the binaries, and add box2d
> dependencies, or;
>
> 2.  maintain a fork of the sources without dependencies embedded, as
> we've done for the Physics activity (see the dfsg branch there).

I'd fixed this in releases < 30 but the f30 had failed due to python
scripts requiring explicitly python2/python3 in their calls, this has
now been fixed so it should be fixed in the next compose.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Bug: Network control panel fails to open

[Peter Robinson]

> > > There is a glitch observed in SoaS 29.
> > > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4990
> >
> > Seems it might use NetworkManager-glib and that appears to have been
> > retired and we didn't have an explicitly dependency on it. I'm not
> > 100% sure that is the case but we might need to change how we use
> > NetworkManager or adjust for a new API?
>
> Was fixed in April, and should be in 0.113 and later.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/04c63f6dd2b6f10a80376a43c735822f5283bda7#diff-c4737854e76eeaf45b972eaf050e4b7b
>
> Was detected by the automatically discovered and explicit dependency in 
> Debian.
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/857230

Thanks James,

There's a fix here https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-0.112-5.fc29

I've filed a freeze exception for F29 so I hope we make it.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Bug: Network control panel fails to open

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:11 PM Frederick Grose  wrote:
>
> There is a glitch observed in SoaS 29.
> https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4990

Seems it might use NetworkManager-glib and that appears to have been
retired and we didn't have an explicitly dependency on it. I'm not
100% sure that is the case but we might need to change how we use
NetworkManager or adjust for a new API?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:17:50AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > > later.
> > >
> > > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > > introspection for Telepathy.
> > >
> > > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> > > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> > >
> > > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> >
> > OK, well keep me in the loop, people have already started the hack and
> > slash of what they feel as redundant pyhthon2 only dependencies in
> > Fedora 30. This has affected sugar-toolkit through the use of
> > gnome-python2-rsvg which affects the Activities below, we might be
> > able to get a minor window of relief on that but I'm not convinced.
>
> Yes, we saw that in the past year in Debian; the very few lines of
> source that make up the Rsvg static binding were embedded in something
> else rather than as a separate package or as part of Rsvg.

We had a stay of execution, it was actually a mistake, it was some
other package that was meant to get retired. Should be fixed soon.

> So OLPC lost the benefit of upstreaming sugar-toolkit (Sugar Toolkit
> for GTK+ 2), and now I maintain a custom or derivative package.
>
> I did offer to maintain the Rsvg static binding, but was told this was
> not welcome.
>
> In retrospect, it was suboptimal organisation of source code in
> earlier GNOME.
>
> > I noticed the new Moon 19 activity has moved to Javascript but I have
> > no idea how that works from a packaging dependency or Sugar bindings
> > PoV (does it use gjs?) and don't have the time to dig into it
> > unfortunately. Kalpa can you assist here?
>
> No, not gjs.  Package should continue to depend on sugar-toolkit-gtk3,
> as it calls /usr/bin/sugar-activity-web, which uses WebKit2.

Ah, yes, I remember this web activity concept now. Cool, will update it.

> I thought there was a Javascript activity already in Fedora somewhere,
> but I don't have a Fedora system handy to find out; grep for a file
> path pattern of "lib/sugar-web"
>
> > I was already considering dropping anything requiring the original
> > sugar-toolkit from the default spin for an upcoming release so maybe
> > we just need to go through the list below and work out which are
> > likely to be migrated to gtk3 or JS and possibly just retire the rest?
> > Thoughts?
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-July/055529.html
> was my last review of this list.  I've reviewed again and the changes
> are small; Flipsticks port progressed but still unfinished, Labyrinth
> embeds source which is upstream of Sugar Labs, Sri Lanka is new to the
> list, as is Starchart.
>
> Given the pitiful progress over three months, you may have to retire
> all these GTK2+ activities from Fedora.  If you decide that, let me
> know, and I can post a final warning in a separate thread calling for
> maintainers.
>
> Full review of your list again below.
>
> Port completed = 6
> Port needed or in progress = 6
> Port planned = 1
> Missing maintainer = 11
> No GitHub repository yet = 2
>
> > sugar-calendario-0:4-14.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port planned.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/calendario/issues/1
>
> > sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4397
>
> > sugar-connect-0:22-22.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
>
> http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/connect-activity/
>
> > sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/countries-activity
>
> > sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/deducto
>
> > sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch
>
> Some change.  Port in progress.  Code changes pending.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/flipsticks/pull/3
>
> >

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > later.
>
> Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> introspection for Telepathy.
>
> There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
>
> With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> discussion at the weekly meeting.

OK, well keep me in the loop, people have already started the hack and
slash of what they feel as redundant pyhthon2 only dependencies in
Fedora 30. This has affected sugar-toolkit through the use of
gnome-python2-rsvg which affects the Activities below, we might be
able to get a minor window of relief on that but I'm not convinced.

I noticed the new Moon 19 activity has moved to Javascript but I have
no idea how that works from a packaging dependency or Sugar bindings
PoV (does it use gjs?) and don't have the time to dig into it
unfortunately.Kalpa can you assist here?

I was already considering dropping anything requiring the original
sugar-toolkit from the default spin for an upcoming release so maybe
we just need to go through the list below and work out which are
likely to be migrated to gtk3 or JS and possibly just retire the rest?
Thoughts?

sugar-calendario-0:4-14.fc29.noarch
sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch
sugar-connect-0:22-22.fc29.noarch
sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch
sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch
sugar-kuku-0:5-8.fc29.noarch
sugar-labyrinth-0:16-10.fc29.noarch
sugar-moon-0:18-2.fc29.noarch
sugar-playgo-0:5-18.fc29.noarch
sugar-srilanka-0:3-8.fc29.noarch
sugar-starchart-0:16-9.fc29.noarch
sugar-view-slides-0:8-19.fc29.noarch
sugar-xomail-0:0-0.18.20090128.fc29.noarch
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 02:00:11PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > >
> > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > directories.
> > >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> >
> > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.
> >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> >
> > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> >
> > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > >
> > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > >
> > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > >
> > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> >
> > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> >
> > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > >
> > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > organisation.
> >
> > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
>
> Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> a v0.114 around 6th October.

What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than later.

> > > Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
> > >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
> > >   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
> > >   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,
> >
> > We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
> > longer any dependencies.
> >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
> > >   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
> > >
> > >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> > >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> > >> to assist?
> > >
> > > I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> > > maintained.
> >
> > Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
> > merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

>> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
>> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
>> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
>> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
>
> They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> directories.
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2

Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.

> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2

Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!

>> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
>> moved to gtk3, any plans?
>
> Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
>
>> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
>> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
>> sugar-presence-service!
>
> I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.

They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.

>> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
>> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
>> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
>> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
>> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
>> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
>> coffin for Sugar?
>
> Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> organisation.

Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?

> Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
>
> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
>   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
>   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,

We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
longer any dependencies.

> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
>   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
>
>> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
>> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
>> to assist?
>
> I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> maintained.

Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:43 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:26:21PM +0800, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Peter,
>> >
>> > 1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0
>> >
>> > 2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to 
>> > gtk3 and more will follow.
>> >
>>
>> I saw some PRs to port activities to gtk3, but not sure whether we
>> make a release once the porting is done. If we can make a release
>> (where applicable), we can continue to package for Fedora.
>>
>> btw, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s/sugar-* is the list of
>> sugar activities we package as of today.
>
> Please list which of these packages you think needs a port to GTK+ 3?
>
> You've probably got good access to the packaging sources, so you can
> find them quickly.
>
> Some of them I don't recognise, so there's a possibility that Sugar
> Labs isn't maintaining these sources (through contributor attrition or
> because the source came from elsewhere), and we may have to grab a
> copy of the sources held by Fedora.

Yes, I understand. The list I have is below:

$ dnf repoquery --whatrequires sugar-toolkit
sugar-analyze-0:8-20.fc28.noarch
sugar-calendario-0:4-12.fc28.noarch
sugar-castle-0:23-11.fc28.noarch
sugar-connect-0:22-21.fc28.noarch
sugar-countries-0:33-14.fc28.noarch
sugar-deducto-0:9-12.fc28.noarch
sugar-flipsticks-0:13-11.fc28.noarch
sugar-kuku-0:5-7.fc28.noarch
sugar-labyrinth-0:16-9.fc28.noarch
sugar-moon-0:17-5.fc28.noarch
sugar-moon-0:18-1.fc28.noarch
sugar-playgo-0:5-18.fc28.noarch
sugar-record-0:102-6.fc28.noarch
sugar-srilanka-0:3-7.fc28.noarch
sugar-starchart-0:16-8.fc28.noarch
sugar-view-slides-0:8-18.fc28.noarch
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

Hello All,

This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.

I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.

Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.

But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.

1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
Are there any plans to move them to gst1?

2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
moved to gtk3, any plans?

3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
sugar-presence-service!

4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
coffin for Sugar?

Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
to assist?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.112 on Fedora 28 SoaS

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:00 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:31:39PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> We're in Beta freeze for Fedora 28.
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
> Our How To install Sugar on Fedora is here;
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md
>
>> We have Sugar 0.112, there's
>> nightly images for the various architectures at the URLs below. Please
>> test so we don't end up in a situation like last cycle where people
>> were testing at the last moment before release.
>>
>> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub//fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/x86_64/iso/
>> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/armhfp/images/
>> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/development/28/Spins/i386/iso/
>
> These links very unreliable; have to keep hitting them until the
> redirector leads me to an up to date mirror.
>
> I've tested Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-28-20180312.n.0.iso and
> updated the How To ... 01941aa.
>
> Most of Sugar works, as do the included activities.
>
> Issues were;
>
> - the Write activity flickers, due to AbiWord event handling flaw,
>   Sugar Labs #4915, Fedora #1287835, AbiSource #13791, with Debian and
>   Ubuntu carrying my patch,

I did look at that patch at some point but I don't remember why it wasn't added.

> - the Paint activity starts but the mouse does not draw on the canvas,
>   we have a fix committed but not yet released, and the fix is
>   effective on Fedora 28,
>   
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/paint-activity/commit/a8828f162606b6eed847b0444f156ac1c95b6866
>   https://github.com/sugarlabs/paint-activity/issues/29

Pushed.

> - the Words activity fails to start, citing PyGObject Namespace WebKit
>   not available, for 3.0, we have a fix committed but not yet
>   released, and the fix is effective on Fedora 28,
>   
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/words-activity/commit/ae8ccca439f34f99df6fb7a34313ab57af9e5e9e
>   https://github.com/sugarlabs/words-activity/issues/12

Its looks like that patch was already in the 22 we had, I've pushed 23 anyway

> - the Ruler activity fails to start, with a Cairo assertion and
>   SIGABRT, https://github.com/sugarlabs/ruler/issues/4
>
> - My Settings (control panel) - Network does not render, traceback
>   says PyGObject Namespace NMClient not available, workaround is to
>   hit escape,
>   http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/z/1evdqY.txt
>
> - My Settings - Software Update offers Memorize-52 to -53, Clock-19 to
>   -20, and Pippy-66 to -71, so these are likely packaging lag,
>
> - for each activity, the activity toolbar description entry icon is
>   not rendered,

Is there a bug for this?

> - after testing each activity once, there were about 3283
>   PyGIDeprecationWarning messages written to logs.

Is there a tracking bug for this?

> Installing Fedora Workstation was very slow, and it performed poorly
> once installed, especially logging in, logging out, and using the
> GNOME desktop.  I wasn't able to identify a cause for delays.

What sort of HW, it's not really related to Sugar TBH but there's
known issues with low resourced devices. Hack fest in May to hopefully
deal with most of it:
https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Hackfests/Performance2018

> Performance of Sugar desktop was normal.
>
>> One thing to note is there will be a newer CSound package landing
>> shortly, it's been upgraded from 6.03 to the latest 6.10 and I've no
>> idea if the API has changed and if it will affect any of the
>> Activities using it. You'll be able to testing by doing a "dnf
>> upgrade" once booted.
>
> Not to worry, none of the activities in SoaS import csound.

Memorize use to depend on it, seems that has since changed.

> csound 6.10 did segmentation fault on Ubuntu 18.04 beta back in
> January with the Music Keyboard activity, but now works okay with both
> Measure and Music Keyboard.  Neither activity is in SoaS.
>
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.112 on Fedora 28 SoaS

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

We're in Beta freeze for Fedora 28. We have Sugar 0.112, there's
nightly images for the various architectures at the URLs below. Please
test so we don't end up in a situation like last cycle where people
were testing at the last moment before release.

http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub//fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/x86_64/iso/
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/armhfp/images/
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/development/28/Spins/i386/iso/

One thing to note is there will be a newer CSound package landing
shortly, it's been upgraded from 6.03 to the latest 6.10 and I've no
idea if the API has changed and if it will affect any of the
Activities using it. You'll be able to testing by doing a "dnf
upgrade" once booted.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:50 PM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:36:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:29 PM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:00:11AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 08:58:01AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> >> >> <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> >> >> <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
>> >> >> >> > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is 
>> >> >> >> still
>> >> >> >> > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso 
>> >> >> >> (similar
>> >> >> >> failure
>> >> >> >> > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails 
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > launch into the Sugar session.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > 
>> >> >> >> soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> >> [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > $ grep lightdm 
>> >> >> >> /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > [...]
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Yes,
>> >> >> >> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in 
>> >> >> >> _run_module_as_main
>> >> >> >> > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
>> >> >> >> > exec code in run_globals
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", 
>> >> >> >> line 73, in
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", line
>> >> >> >> 32,
>> >> >> >> > in 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
>> >> >> >> vity.py",
>> >> >> >> > line 45, in 
>> &g

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:19 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
> Everybody is talking not listening.  Listen up.  ;-)
>
> Frederick showed traceback from shell.log which said
> viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing.
>
> viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing from sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.noarch.rpm
>
> viewhelp_webkit2.py was added by sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.src.rpm
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch
>
> main.py and viewhelp.py are properly changed by
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch but the files added by
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch are missing.
>
> Thomas likely hit the same problem, but has not confirmed same
> shell.log.
>
> I don't know how to fix Peter's Fedora-packaging of my patch.  As
> upstream release manager my answer is "use 0.112" which Peter says is
> unlikely to happen because of the freeze.  Second best option is to
> fix the packaging.

The problem was that autoreconf needed to be run to pickup the changes
in Makefile.am

> Patch doesn't look like it was in Fedora 26, as I cannot find a file
> sugar-0.110.0-3.fc26.noarch.rpm
>
> The sugar-help package has nothing to do with the problem, but it
> would be nice to have it fixed too.

Someone will need to resubmit the package for review and packaging. If
I see sugar packages being retired/orphaned I pick them up myself but
I do not have the time to go through the review process and get it
re-added to the package set.

Ultimately my free time to do sugar related tasks these days is almost
zero so for those that do have an interest in keeping SoAS and sugar
in general in Fedora are going to need to assist me, and preferably
earlier in the cycle not moments before GA, otherwise it will go away.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have never been able to figure out how to get samples from GS1.0 the way I
> get them from GS0.1 so I never updated measure. Any tips most welcome.
>
> I did have a GS1.0 version of Record kicking around at one point but it
> didn't take advantage of some OLPC XO features so it was never accepted. I
> can try to resurrect that code.

Well we're in a situation where we're likely better to move them with
slightly less functionality and actually ship them than have them be
dropped altogether. It would be useful to document though what the
missing functionality is. I suspect some of it might just come out of
the box with some of the newer gst 1 functionality though.

Peter

> -walter
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> FYI. We'll likely need these converted over in the F-26 cycle or drop
>> them. I think the hardest to migrate would be record.
>>
>> sugar-clock
>> sugar-memorize
>> sugar-record
>> sugar-speak
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Michael Cronenworth <m...@cchtml.com>
>> Date: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:06 PM
>> Subject: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10
>> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
>> <de...@lists.fedoraproject.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As I'm sure everyone is well aware gstreamer-0.10 is obsolete and has
>> been replaced by gstreamer-1.0. An upstream release for gst-0.10 has
>> not been made in over 4 years. Last month there were a handful of
>> security vulnerabilities disclosed[1] and upstream no longer maintains
>> the 0.10 series. While we could patch and update our Fedora packages
>> this is a perfect opportunity to retire it.
>>
>> Here is an approximate list of packages depending on gst-0.10. They
>> themselves should be considered obsolete or retirement material as
>> their upstreams may not have adopted gst-1.0. If the package doesn't
>> have a gst-1.0 equivalent there may be some cases where we could patch
>> in support for gst-1.0. Are there any non-Fedora software that would
>> prevent retirement from being possible?
>>
>> anchorman
>> banshee-community-extensions
>> bigloo-libs
>> clutter-gst
>> compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
>> drawtk
>> evas-generic-loaders
>> flumotion
>> gcompris
>> gloobus-preview
>> gnome-mud
>> gnomebaker
>> gstreamer-devel
>> gstreamer-ffmpeg
>> gstreamer-plugins-bad
>> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
>> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
>> gstreamer-plugins-base
>> gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
>> gstreamer-plugins-good
>> gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
>> gstreamer-plugins-ugly
>> gstreamer-python
>> gstreamer-rtsp
>> gstreamer-rtsp-python
>> gstreamermm
>> gstreamermm-devel
>> ignuit
>> iptux
>> libgnome-media-profiles
>> libnice-gstreamer
>> lordsawar
>> media-explorer
>> moodbar
>> oggconvert
>> perl-GStreamer
>> perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
>> player
>> pocketsphinx-plugin
>> presence
>> psimedia
>> qt-mobility-multimediakit
>> sap
>> subtitleeditor
>> vagalume
>> winswitch
>> wxGTK-media
>> wxGTK3-media
>> xfce4-mixer
>> xfce4-volumed
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Michael
>>
>> [1]
>> https://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.com/2016/11/0day-exploit-advancing-exploitation.html
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10

[Peter Robinson]

FYI. We'll likely need these converted over in the F-26 cycle or drop
them. I think the hardest to migrate would be record.

sugar-clock
sugar-memorize
sugar-record
sugar-speak


-- Forwarded message --
From: Michael Cronenworth 
Date: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:06 PM
Subject: Call to retire gstreamer-0.10
To: Development discussions related to Fedora 


Hi,

As I'm sure everyone is well aware gstreamer-0.10 is obsolete and has
been replaced by gstreamer-1.0. An upstream release for gst-0.10 has
not been made in over 4 years. Last month there were a handful of
security vulnerabilities disclosed[1] and upstream no longer maintains
the 0.10 series. While we could patch and update our Fedora packages
this is a perfect opportunity to retire it.

Here is an approximate list of packages depending on gst-0.10. They
themselves should be considered obsolete or retirement material as
their upstreams may not have adopted gst-1.0. If the package doesn't
have a gst-1.0 equivalent there may be some cases where we could patch
in support for gst-1.0. Are there any non-Fedora software that would
prevent retirement from being possible?

anchorman
banshee-community-extensions
bigloo-libs
clutter-gst
compat-wxGTK3-gtk2-media
drawtk
evas-generic-loaders
flumotion
gcompris
gloobus-preview
gnome-mud
gnomebaker
gstreamer-devel
gstreamer-ffmpeg
gstreamer-plugins-bad
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
gstreamer-plugins-base
gstreamer-plugins-base-tools
gstreamer-plugins-good
gstreamer-plugins-good-extras
gstreamer-plugins-ugly
gstreamer-python
gstreamer-rtsp
gstreamer-rtsp-python
gstreamermm
gstreamermm-devel
ignuit
iptux
libgnome-media-profiles
libnice-gstreamer
lordsawar
media-explorer
moodbar
oggconvert
perl-GStreamer
perl-GStreamer-Interfaces
player
pocketsphinx-plugin
presence
psimedia
qt-mobility-multimediakit
sap
subtitleeditor
vagalume
winswitch
wxGTK-media
wxGTK3-media
xfce4-mixer
xfce4-volumed

Thank you,
Michael

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Announcing the release of Fedora 24 Alpha!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Fedora 24 Alpha is out with sugar 0.108.1 in SoaS.

Please test!

Of particular note of this release we have all the core bits to fix
collaboration so now is the time to fix your Activity and release a
new version (with tar ball please!) so we can finally put this issue
to bed. What would be even cooler is porting your Activity to
gtk3/gstreamer-1 while your at it (gtk3 toolkit might even be a req
for fixed collaboration, Sam or Martin who know better than me on that
topic can chime in on that one!)

You can get it from here (or the closest Fedora mirror to you, they're
all on the mirrors now too):
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-24-20160329.n.1.iso
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-24-20160329.n.1.iso
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-24-20160329.n.1-sda.raw.xz

PS if you're all really good with your releases there might even be
some fruity new feature in time for F-24 Beta ;-)

Peter

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Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:52 PM
Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora 24 Alpha!
To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


The Fedora 24 Alpha is here, right on schedule for our planned June
final release. Download the prerelease from our Get Fedora site:

- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Workstation https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/
prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Server https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Cloud https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Spins https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Labs https://labs.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha ARM https://arm.fedoraproject.org/prerelease


What is the Alpha release?
--
The Alpha release contains all the features of Fedora 24's editions in
a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided by the Fedora
QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When these bugs are fixed,
we make a Beta release available. A Beta release is code-complete and
bears a very strong resemblance to the third and final release. The
final release of Fedora 24 is expected in June.

If you take the time to download and try out the Alpha, you can check
and make sure the things that are important to YOU are working. Every
bug you find and report doesn't just help you, it improves the
experience of millions of Fedora users worldwide!

Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as we
can, and your feedback improves not only Fedora, but Linux and Free
software as a whole.

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report


Fedora-Wide Changes
---
Under the hood, glibc has moved to 2.23.  The update includes better
performance, many bugfixes and improvements to POSIX compliance, and
additional locales. The new library is backwards compatible with the
version of glibc that was shipped in Fedora 23, and includes a number
of security and bug fixes.

We've also updated the system compiler to GCC 6 and rebuilt all
packages with that, providing greater code optimization and catching
programming errors which had slipped past previous compilers.

Workstation
---
- Workstation features a preview of GNOME 3.20, which was released
  just after the Alpha was cut. The GNOME 3.20 release is already
  available in the Fedora 24 update stream. Once you install Fedora 24
  Alpha, you can use Software or dnf to update. GNOME 3.20 will of
  course be part of Fedora 24 Beta and the Final release.

- We have decided not to make Wayland, the next generation graphic
  stack, the default in Fedora 24 Workstation. However, Wayland
  remains available as an option, and the Workstation team would
  greatly appreciate your help in testing. Our goal is one full
  release where the non-default Wayland option works seamlessly, or
  reasonably close thereto. At that point we will make Wayland the
  default with X11 as the fallback option.

- There have been many changes to theming in GTK+ 3, where a stable
  API has not been declared. As a result, applications that use custom
  CSS theming, for example, may show issues with their appearance.
  This may include default applications that come with Fedora 24 Alpha
  Workstation. Users are asked to try out their favorite GTK+ 3 based
  applications and report bugs upstream so they might be addressed in
  time for the final release.


Server
--
- FreeIPA 4.3 (Domain Controller role) is included in Fedora 24. This
  version helps streamline installation of replicas by adding a
  replica promotion method for new installs. A new topology 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.107.2 release (API, UI and Strings freeze)

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> About 10-15 activities were updated to the new Collaboration Wrapper during
> GCI. I will release them on ASLO this week.

Brilliant, can we have tar balls on the ftp site too at the same time.

> PS: @Peter, I should have a GTK3 version of Turtle Art available in a week
> or two as well. One less activity dependent on GTK2 and GST0.10

Excellent! Then just about 2 left after that.

BTW can we have BB-8 support in Turtle Art?

https://sixcolors.com/post/2015/12/the-best-christmas-gift-in/

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> > I am pleased to announce the release of Sugar 0.107.2 (unstable). This
>> > release means that we have reached the API, UI and Strings freeze
>> > deadline
>> > [1] and that we should focus on making sure there are no missing
>> > translations or exceptional bugs left.
>> >
>> > This release comes with the following improvements:
>> >
>> > Collaboration works on newer systems (e.g. Fedora 23) with activities
>> > that
>> > do not use Tubes (e.g. Chat).
>>
>> Awesome news! Are there any new deps needed or is it self contained in
>> toolkit-gtk3?
>>
>> Will there be updates for Activities pushed to
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/
>>
>> > The search box in home view grabs focus automatically.
>> > More little steps on documenting our toolkit.
>> >
>> > The tarballs can be downloaded from:
>> >
>> >
>> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.107.2.tar.xz
>> >
>> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.107.2.tar.xz
>> >
>> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.107.2.tar.xz
>> >
>> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.107.2.tar.xz
>> >
>> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.107.2.tar.xz
>>
>> Now all in Fedora-24 so will be in today's rawhide compose.
>>
>> Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.107.2 release (API, UI and Strings freeze)

[Peter Robinson]

> I am pleased to announce the release of Sugar 0.107.2 (unstable). This
> release means that we have reached the API, UI and Strings freeze deadline
> [1] and that we should focus on making sure there are no missing
> translations or exceptional bugs left.
>
> This release comes with the following improvements:
>
> Collaboration works on newer systems (e.g. Fedora 23) with activities that
> do not use Tubes (e.g. Chat).

Awesome news! Are there any new deps needed or is it self contained in
toolkit-gtk3?

Will there be updates for Activities pushed to
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/

> The search box in home view grabs focus automatically.
> More little steps on documenting our toolkit.
>
> The tarballs can be downloaded from:
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.107.2.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.107.2.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.107.2.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.107.2.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.107.2.tar.xz

Now all in Fedora-24 so will be in today's rawhide compose.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.107.1 release (feature freeze)

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Sam P. <sam@sam.today> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> There was an email thread going around on the status of the collab work on
> sugar-devel.  That may be of interest to you.

I'm not sure how I missed that, or maybe I didn't but not remember it.

> TL;DR  All activities need to be ported, and there will be a very small
> toolkit change.  The toolkit change has not yet landed.

Is it still planned for 0.107?

> Thanks,
> Sam
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> > Moving forward with our current development cycle, I am pleased to
>> > announce
>> > the release of Sugar 0.107.1 (unstable). This release means that we have
>> > officially passed the time [1] for including new features and that we
>> > must
>> > start focusing on stability and bug fixing.
>> >
>> > This release comes with many improvements that are worth mentioning:
>> >
>> > Changing the Frame settings in the control panel no longer requires to
>> > restart Sugar.
>> > Added new keyboard controls to access and navigate the control panel.
>> > The control panel can display the serial number for commodity hardware.
>> > Multiple bundles can be installed at once using good old
>> > sugar-install-bundle script.
>> > The shell now claims file transfer channels so Empathy won't interfere
>> > anymore.
>> > Home views names can be changed now.
>> > Neighborhood icons are no longer placed randomly.
>> > Sugar can now start even when the disk is full.
>> > More documentation for our gtk3 toolkit.
>> > More fixes for the Sugar theme.
>> > and even more [2].
>>
>> Does the even more include the fixing of collaboration? If not what is
>> the status of that?
>>
>> Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.107.1 release (feature freeze)

[Peter Robinson]

Hi Martin,

> Moving forward with our current development cycle, I am pleased to announce
> the release of Sugar 0.107.1 (unstable). This release means that we have
> officially passed the time [1] for including new features and that we must
> start focusing on stability and bug fixing.
>
> This release comes with many improvements that are worth mentioning:
>
> Changing the Frame settings in the control panel no longer requires to
> restart Sugar.
> Added new keyboard controls to access and navigate the control panel.
> The control panel can display the serial number for commodity hardware.
> Multiple bundles can be installed at once using good old
> sugar-install-bundle script.
> The shell now claims file transfer channels so Empathy won't interfere
> anymore.
> Home views names can be changed now.
> Neighborhood icons are no longer placed randomly.
> Sugar can now start even when the disk is full.
> More documentation for our gtk3 toolkit.
> More fixes for the Sugar theme.
> and even more [2].

Does the even more include the fixing of collaboration? If not what is
the status of that?

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.107.1 release (feature freeze)

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Martin Abente
 wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Moving forward with our current development cycle, I am pleased to announce
> the release of Sugar 0.107.1 (unstable). This release means that we have
> officially passed the time [1] for including new features and that we must
> start focusing on stability and bug fixing.
>
> This release comes with many improvements that are worth mentioning:
>
> Changing the Frame settings in the control panel no longer requires to
> restart Sugar.
> Added new keyboard controls to access and navigate the control panel.
> The control panel can display the serial number for commodity hardware.
> Multiple bundles can be installed at once using good old
> sugar-install-bundle script.
> The shell now claims file transfer channels so Empathy won't interfere
> anymore.
> Home views names can be changed now.
> Neighborhood icons are no longer placed randomly.
> Sugar can now start even when the disk is full.
> More documentation for our gtk3 toolkit.
> More fixes for the Sugar theme.
> and even more [2].
>
> Kudos to James Cameron, Sam Parkinson, Ezequiel Pereira, Batchu Venkat
> Vishal and our Google Code-In students who are responsible for these
> contributions, and to Gonzalo Odiard, Ignacio Rodriguez and Julio Reyes for
> the reviewing work.
>
> The tarballs for this release can be downloaded from:
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.107.1.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.107.1.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.107.1.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.107.1.tar.xz
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.107.1.tar.xz
>
>
> Please help us testing it!

This will be in rawhide/F-24 as of today's compose.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.107.0 release

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Sam P.  wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> For porting browse activity, we need upstream changes.  Part of them are
> written, but not the bindings.  We need a new api to save and restore state.
> I should chase that up at some point.
>
> Otherwise, the port will be very easy.
>
> I'm not sure why we ship webkit2 though, because I'm not sure anyone uses
> it.

There's things in sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that use it.
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 23 Final Release Compose 2 (RC2) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

This could be the GA release for SoaS, please test.

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_RC2/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-23-2.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_RC2/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-23-2.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_RC2/Images/armhfp/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-23-2-sda.raw.xz

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From: Adam Williamson 
Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 2:30 AM
Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 23 Final Release Compose 2 (RC2) Available Now!
To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


A little late [1], Fedora 23 Final Release Compose 2 (RC2) is now
available for testing. Please help us complete all the validation
testing!

This is rumor control, here are the facts: RC2 contains fixes for all
accepted blockers. However, there are several proposed blockers, at
least one of which is pretty likely to be accepted as a blocker at the
Go/No-Go meeting tomorrow. We don't want to pre-empt the meeting, but
talking with several QA folks, Matthew, releng, and GNOME devs on IRC
today we agreed to try and look ahead a bit, and what we're expecting
to happen is that at least one blocker will be accepted tomorrow and we
are thus likely to slip - we've agreed that we definitely don't want to
try and do some insane last-minute RC3 heroics, we want to make sure
things get built and tested properly and thoroughly.

Bearing that in mind, please, no-one kill yourself testing this:
there's no need for any all-night testing heroics! RC2 tests will be
valuable, but there's no need to go all out. At present I'm expecting
we'll build an RC3 tomorrow and focus on testing that really thoroughly
over the next 7 days (and any further RCs that turn out to be
necessary).

RC1 was a failed compose attempt in releng, it never got out.

Content information, including changes, can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6266#comment:14 . Please see
the following pages for download links and testing instructions.
Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide the fastest download, but
download-
ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror (with an approximately
1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just replace "dl" with
"download-ib01" in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

All Alpha, Beta and Final priority test cases for each of these test
pages [2] must pass in order to meet the Final Release Criteria [3].

Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the
test list [5].

Create Fedora 23 Final test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6266

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
[1] http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Final_Release_Criteria
[4] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 23 Beta Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Fedora 23 Beta RC1 with SoaS is out, the login issue is fixed, please
test test test.

Direct download links:

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_Beta_RC1/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-23_Beta-1.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_Beta_RC1/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-23_Beta-1.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_Beta_RC1/Images/armhfp/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-23_Beta-1-sda.raw.xz

Rest of the details:


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Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 23 Beta Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!
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As scheduled [1], Fedora 23 Beta Release Candidate 1 (RC1) is now
available for testing. Please help us complete all the validation
testing!

The 32-bit cloud base image is known to be missing from this compose.
Otherwise there are no major known issues.

Content information, including changes, can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6237#comment:7 . Please see
the following pages for download links and testing instructions.
Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide the fastest download, but
download-
ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror (with an approximately
1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just replace "dl" with
"download-ib01" in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

All Alpha and Beta priority test cases for each of these test pages
[2] must pass in order to meet the Beta Release Criteria [3]. We are
also trying to run the Final tests at this time, to try and
identify later release blocker bugs as early as possible.

Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the
test list [5].

Create Fedora 23 Beta test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6237

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
[1] http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Beta_Release_Criteria
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:46 AM, David Leeming
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years old but was 
> a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run SOAS. It never 
> completes booting, you go through the name, colour, gender, school grade but 
> then it just shows the blank screen with only the mouse cursor screen never 
> getting as far as the Sugar Home View..

What release are you using? Can you go to a text console (Ctrl + Alt +
F2) and login there once it hangs? If so we might be able to get some
logs.

> Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the 32 bit or 
> 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried both), it boots OK 
> but freezes after starting a few activities. Could that be the activity 
> rather than the OS?

It could be, do you find it happens on specific Activities, when the
Activity freezes does it allow you to go back to the home screen
(press F3)? If not can you go to a text console (Ctrl + Alt + F2) and
login there.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

Hi David,

Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.

> Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That 
> is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found 
> few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on 
> one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer 
> was my issue.

I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
VirtualBox, glad it works for you.

> Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If 
> not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on 
> a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. 
> I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu 
> we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian 
> (Jessie 8).

I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.

Peter

> Best,
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm the SoaS maintainer.
>
>> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
>> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane 
>> technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there 
>> a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used 
>> SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is 
>> stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
>
> The lastest stable version is available here:
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
>
>> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent 
>> storage too little/too much?
>
> 2Gb should be fine.
>
> Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
>
> Peter
>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
>> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown 
>> Douglas
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
>> To: David Leeming
>> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
>>
>> Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945
>>
>> I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
>> fine.
>>
>> I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.
>>
>> http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/
>>
>> Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :)
>>
>> Iain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I
>>> haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just
>>> refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to
>>> introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll
>>> be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with
>>> Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar
>>> conveniently with SOAS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified
>>> their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live
>>> Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed
>>> SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a
>>> “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug 1240354 - SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user

[Peter Robinson]

>> So to briefly restate.
>>
>> Problem: Sugar does not start on F23.
>>
>> Diagnosis: the shared library libsugarext.so.0 cannot be loaded,
>> because of a missing symbol, yet the symbol can be found with
>> strings(1).
>>
>> Workaround #1: use F22 packages.
>>
>> Workaround #2: use Martin's packages which were a rebuild of
>> sugar-toolkit-gtk3 with .spec file change
>>
>> %undefine _hardened_build
>
>
> Yes, and both workarounds have in common that sugar-toolkit-gtk3 is built
> without _hardened_build (by default on fc22 and explicitly on my modified
> fc23 package).

So this work around is now in updates-testing. It works for me with
basic testing, I've checked that the vast majority of Activities at
least run. We should have the update pulled into the next test
compose.

Please test the rest of the stack now, and report issues.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug 1240354 - SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user

[Peter Robinson]

On 4 Sep 2015 00:22, "Martin Abente"  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 6:43 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
>>
>> The errors complain of missing symbols;
>>
>> - sugar_event_controller_get_state
>>
>> - acme_volume_alsa_new
>>
>> Which were both added after 0.98.
>>
>> On my F18 test systems, the package sugar-toolkit-0.98 brings in a
>> _sugarext.so file in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sugar/ which
>> does not have these symbols.
>>
>> If this file were being used instead, then the outcome may be as
>> reported.
>>
>> Is the package present?
>
>
> No, is not present. Also, that does not explain why the same 106 packages
work perfectly fine on fc23 when are built for fc22, while they fail when
built for fc23.
>
> As you mentioned in a previous reply, the only difference in build time I
also noticed, looking at the logs, is
the -specs=/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/redhat-hardened-ld' flag. which is passed to
all gir-* (gobject introspection) calls.
>

Yes, it's a well advertised feature of F-23, but we're not the first distro
to enable it and unless there's dodgy stuff going on in sugar it should
cause no issues.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug 1240354 - SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user

[Peter Robinson]

>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > I rebuilt 0.106.0 packages from fc23 source rpms, for fc22 x86_64.
>>
>> So did I using my copr account, what a great tool to build rpms with,
>> perhaps SL should go back to using it.[1] Easy for testers to enable with
>> dnf.
>>
>> > It works
>> > fine, so it definitely not something with Sugar. It makes sense since
>> > nothing changed in SugarExt.
>> >
>> > Now, this might be something with fc23, but is it on build time or run
>> > time? Ideas? Maybe something related to gobject instrospection?
>> >
>>
>> Runtime in F23, otherwise the F23 rpm would not been built.
>
>
> Not necessarily, e.g. there could be something wrong happening while
> generating the gobject introspection files. Something wrong in the sense
> that the content is not generated "properly", and does not necessarily
> triggers a "compilation error".
>
> In fact, I think this might be the case: I installed the 0.106.0 packages I
> built for fc22 on a fresh fc23 system and sugar works fine.
>
> Ideas? I suspect on the gobject introspection bindings generation, but can't
> think of what exactly it could be.

I don't have the time, or really the knowledge, to sort this out but
we freeze next Tuesday and I really need someone to pretty much sort
this out by then else we'll have issues with beta and it'll cause me
stress.

The latest test beta is link is below.

Peter

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/23_Beta_TC1/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-23_Beta-TC1.iso
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug 1240354 - SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user

[Peter Robinson]

>> > > Hello everyone,
>> > >
>> > > I rebuilt 0.106.0 packages from fc23 source rpms, for fc22 x86_64.
>> >
>> > So did I using my copr account, what a great tool to build rpms with,
>> > perhaps SL should go back to using it.[1] Easy for testers to enable
>> > with
>> > dnf.
>> >
>> > > It works
>> > > fine, so it definitely not something with Sugar. It makes sense since
>> > > nothing changed in SugarExt.
>> > >
>> > > Now, this might be something with fc23, but is it on build time or
>> > > run
>> > > time? Ideas? Maybe something related to gobject instrospection?
>> > >
>> >
>> > Runtime in F23, otherwise the F23 rpm would not been built.
>> >
>>
>> Not necessarily, e.g. there could be something wrong happening while
>> generating the gobject introspection files. Something wrong in the sense
>> that the content is not generated "properly", and does not necessarily
>> triggers a "compilation error".
>>
>
> Agreed, looking for what changed is a pain.
>
>> In fact, I think this might be the case: I installed the 0.106.0 packages
>> I
>> built for fc22 on a fresh fc23 system and sugar works fine.
>>
>
> Interesting, what is the "fresh system"? Are you selecting sugar at the
> login manager or using sugar-runner?

Fedora 23, either gdm (from an upgraded netbook) or lightdm for the
clean built LiveCD

> There could be dependencies that are already met by the installed system,
> that would mask an undeclared dependency in the sugar rpms. Kind of
> re-enforces what I'm thinking, some Build|Requires moved to a sub-package
> for a sugar dependency or there is a new unaccounted sugar dependency.

Tha't's possibly if there was some new dep that wasn't advertised in
the changes.

>> Ideas? I suspect on the gobject introspection bindings generation, but
>> can't think of what exactly it could be.
>>
> Wouldn't the recent addition of importing configparser require the
> python-configparser rpm to be declared as Required, not relying on to be
> already present? Might explain your observations with a different desktop.

Installing that doesn't make any difference to the crash, is it
needed? I never saw anything in any of the release notes, not that
there really were with any of the dev cycle releases.

http://paste.fedoraproject.org/263319/31103314/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug 1240354 - SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <godi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> GLib.Error: g-invoke-error-quark: Could not locate acme_volume_alsa_new:
> 'acme_volume_alsa_new': /lib/libsugar-eventcontroller.so.0: undefined
> symbol: acme_volume_alsa_new (1)
>
> Is this?
> Do you know if there are changes on alsa or is not available on Soas?

No changes I'm aware of, and it's available.

> Gonzalo
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Jerry Vonau <m...@jvonau.ca> wrote:
>> > Adding Soas maintainer Peter Robinson
>>
>> I'm on the mailing list, you _REALLY_ don't need to add me separately!
>>
>> >> Urgent Request:
>> >>
>> >> SoaS in fedora 23 still is unusable.[1] [2]
>> >> also dnf install @sugar-desktop fails to start as a second desktop.
>> >>
>> >> This has to be fixed or Soas will not be available in fedora 23 when it
>> >> is released.
>> >>
>> >> Please help;
>> >>
>> >> Tom Gilliard
>> >> satellit
>> >>
>> >
>> > For reference the livecd is build with this kickstart file:
>> >
>> > https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/tree/fedora-live-soas.ks?h=f23
>> >
>> >> *Bug 1240354* <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1240354>
>> >> -SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user
>> >>
>> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1240354
>> >>
>> >
>> > Peter,
>> >
>> > Given that sugar is build on top of fedora-live-base two issues come to
>> > mind, first something changed with lightdm. The second is Upowers' API
>> > changed. https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4781
>>
>> Nope, nothing to do with either of those, happens on standard GDM with
>> full install.
>>
>> > Do you have any pointer off the top of your head?
>>
>> It's this crash
>> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/260680/69152144/
>>
>> I've not had a chance to look further, but it's a sugar self contained
>> issue so we'll need someone to look at why it's crashing there.
>>
>> Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug 1240354 - SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Jerry Vonau <m...@jvonau.ca> wrote:
> Adding Soas maintainer Peter Robinson

I'm on the mailing list, you _REALLY_ don't need to add me separately!

>> Urgent Request:
>>
>> SoaS in fedora 23 still is unusable.[1] [2]
>> also dnf install @sugar-desktop fails to start as a second desktop.
>>
>> This has to be fixed or Soas will not be available in fedora 23 when it
>> is released.
>>
>> Please help;
>>
>> Tom Gilliard
>> satellit
>>
>
> For reference the livecd is build with this kickstart file:
> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/tree/fedora-live-soas.ks?h=f23
>
>> *Bug 1240354* <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1240354>
>> -SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1240354
>>
>
> Peter,
>
> Given that sugar is build on top of fedora-live-base two issues come to
> mind, first something changed with lightdm. The second is Upowers' API
> changed. https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4781

Nope, nothing to do with either of those, happens on standard GDM with
full install.

> Do you have any pointer off the top of your head?

It's this crash
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/260680/69152144/

I've not had a chance to look further, but it's a sugar self contained
issue so we'll need someone to look at why it's crashing there.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

Hi David,

I'm the SoaS maintainer.

 I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
 useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane 
 technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there a 
 version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used SOAS 
 many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is stable 
 and will boot without errors and not hang on use?

The lastest stable version is available here:
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/

 Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent 
 storage too little/too much?

2Gb should be fine.

Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.

Peter

 David Leeming
 Solomon Islands


 -Original Message-
 From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
 [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown 
 Douglas
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
 To: David Leeming
 Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
 Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS

 Hi David,

 From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.

 Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
 http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945

 I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
 fine.

 I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.

 http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/

 Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :)

 Iain




 On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
 Hello,



 I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I
 haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just
 refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to
 introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll
 be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with
 Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar
 conveniently with SOAS.



 So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified
 their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live
 Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed
 SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a
 “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”.



 Immediately I run into problems. When booting (on a fairly recent
 Toshiba i7 laptop) it stops with “vesamenu.c32 not a com32r image”. On
 pressing Tab key I do not see “Live” as an option, but it does start
 with the option linux0. Sugar boots and I can use it for a few
 minutes, I tried Speak and Turtle Art for instance, but within a short
 time it hangs and needs a hard boot.



 I repeated the whole process with the 32-bit (verified) iso file and
 same problem. I’ll give this problem only a few hours as that is all I
 have. But I would like to know what are the requirements for a
 reliable repeatable experience with SOAS, as it says on the website,
 to get Sugar into Vanuatu schools.











 David Leeming

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Delaying 0.106 for one week

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Martin Abente
martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 I am strongly considering to delay the 0.106 release by one week, from June
 29 to July 6 [1]. The reasons for this delay are:

 Aymara translations are very close to be fully completed, _very_ few
 translations are missing and it would be a shame to release 0.106 with
 incomplete translations for so few. I have already requested Edgar and
 Sebastian to work together to finish these last translations so the new .PO
 can be merged.
 Luckily for us, this week we had a burst of activity in github with many
 useful bug fixes, but at the same time I would like to have some extra time
 to make sure everything is in place before the final release.

 Thanks for your understanding,

Fine by me, F-23 is well over a month prior to branching for alpha :-)
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Fedora 22 is here!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Fedora 22, and by association, Sugar on a Stick 22 is now available.
To go along with the new SoaS release we have a spiffy new site too.

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/

Full details about the Fedora 22 release is below.

Thanks to all for their assistance and hard work in this release.

Regards,
Peter


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Date: Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:49 PM
Subject: Fedora 22 is here!
To: annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


We are proud to announce the official release of Fedora 22, the
community-driven and community-built operating system now available
in Cloud, Server, and Workstation editions.

If that's all you need to hear, jump over to Get Fedora to download
-- or for current users, run the FedUp upgrade tool.

  * https://getfedora.org/
  * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp

In addition to the latest versions of all your favorite free and
open source software, Fedora 22 marks our second release with
distinctly-targeted offerings for cloud computing, the server room,
and the desktops and laptops of software developers and creators
everywhere. Thanks to the hard work of developers, designers,
packagers, translators, testers, documentation writers, and
everyone else, we're incredibly confident in saying that this is
our best and most polished release yet.

Also with this release, we return to our traditional six-month
cadence -- we'll see you back here sometime around Halloween!


Highlights in the Fedora 22 release
===

Every Fedora release has its own character. If this release had a
human analogue, it'd be Fedora 21 after it'd been to college,
landed a good job, and kept its New Year's Resolution to go to the
gym on a regular basis. What we're saying is that Fedora 22 has
built on the foundation we laid with Fedora 21 and the work to
create distinct editions of Fedora focused on the desktop, server,
and cloud (respectively). It's not radically different, but there
are a fair amount of new features coupled with features we've
already introduced but have improved for Fedora 22.

Fedora Cloud


Fedora 22 Cloud edition has a number of interesting updates that should
be exciting for users and developers.

* Updated Docker Images – The Fedora 22 release includes updated
  Docker images that you can use as the base of your containerized
  applications.

* Vagrant Boxes – One of the oft-requested features for Fedora is
  an “official” Vagrant box that developers can use to spin up
  images using the popular Vagrant tool for building development
  environments. With the Fedora 22 release we now offer Vagrant
  Boxes for libvirt and VirtualBox, so developers on Linux, Mac OS
  X, and Windows can spin up Fedora-based development environments
  with ease. Users can choose a Vagrant box for Fedora 22 Atomic
  Host and Fedora 22 Cloud base edition.

* Atomic Improvements – Fedora 22 Atomic Host includes a number of
  interesting improvements, including the Atomic command, updated
  Docker, Kubernetes, Flannel, and rpm-ostree packages.

* Dockerfiles – Fedora 22 also includes a fedora-dockerfiles
  package (and up-to-date git repository) for building applications
  with the base Fedora 22 Dockerfile and additional packages.

Fedora Server
-

* Database Server Role -- The Fedora Server edition focuses on easy of
  different server roles. Fedora 21 debuted with an Domain Controller
  Role featuring FreeIPA. For this release, we've added a Database
  Server role, built around PostgreSQL.

* Default to XFS filesystem -- The default file system type for
  Fedora Server installs will be XFS running atop LVM for all
  partitions except /boot. The /boot partition will remain a non-LVM,
  ext4 partition due to technological limitations of the bootloader.

* Cockpit will be compatible between OS releases -- Cockpit is a
  server manager that makes it easy to administer your GNU/Linux
  servers via a web browser.

  - Easy to use. Cockpit is perfect for new sysadmins, allowing
them to easily perform simple tasks such as storage
administration, inspecting journals and starting and stopping
services.

  - No interference. Jumping between the terminal and the web
tool is no problem. A service started via Cockpit can be
stopped via the terminal. Likewise, if an error occurs in the
terminal, it can be seen in the Cockpit journal interface.

  - Multi-server. You can monitor and administer several servers
at the same time.

Fedora Workstation
--

* Better notifications.

  Thanks both to work done in GNOME 3.16 and other projects like
  the Automatic Bug Reporting Tool (ABRT), notifications keep you
  better informed, but interfere less with your work. They now
  appear anchored to the center of the top bar, and no longer cover
  up the bottom of the screen where you are often reading a
  terminal or browser. An unobtrusive marker appears in 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Sugar all-hands meeting

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote:
 I know there have been various board and development meetings for Sugar.

 But I would like to propose having an all-hands meeting where anyone in
 the Sugar community as well as related groups (deployments, schoolserver,
 etc.) could raise a topic and attend.

 If there are few enough people, we might be able to do this with a Google
 Hangout.  For larger crowds we should try to get permission to use an
 international conference bridge (to avoid a dozen echo cancelers getting
 confused by each other).

 There are a lot of things that need to be done that I suspect could happen
 given a wider audience.

What topics are you proposing to address or outline in such a call?
Ultimately a all hands call needs to be well overseen to ensure that
it's actually effective. I think the first part of that is to define
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Peter - here is Iain's document:

 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/attachments/20150519/bdaf00ca/attachment.html

Can we have pure plain text, the web team deals with formatting.

I need to be able to provide it in pure text, I don't have time to
strip out html. Is it really that hard to provide an inline in email
pure text output?

I have until the end of today to provide a decent update else it goes out as is.

Peter


 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes but Peter doesn't want
 to deal with a text file.
 Sean


 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

 Iain, Sean, Sam,

 _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_.

 Peter,
 when need this be finished?

 Gonzalo


 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
  On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
Hi Peter,
   
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
   
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.

 Fair copy attached.

 I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the
 set of
 Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
 but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.

 I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the
 page, as
 Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC.

 My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to
 non-free
 components?).
   
You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of
free
codecs that come as standard.
   Thanks, Peter, for the correction.
  
   So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record,
   Imageviewer
   you feel should remain?
 
  I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying,
  right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to
  music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered.
 
   Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
actually test it and see what's there!
   
 Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be
 deleted.
   
Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's
time for
tweaking the content as it stands.
   
   
Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding.  The headers on
the page are
not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment -
they are
headers for a traditional dekstop environment.
  
   I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so
   I
   have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have
   stated
   before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting
   what
   they should be updated to.
  
   ... awaiting?
  
   Understanding and creating content
   Learning by doing
   Getting technical
   Exploring the wider world
   Multimedia
   Reflection on what you've learned
  
   is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this
   thread.
 
  As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile
  opinions coming in from a number of locations.
  Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions
  onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments?

 No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text
 patches, they're generally just spam or viruses.

 In plain text inline emails please.

 I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already
 wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this!




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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 19:57 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
 Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes

 ... almost consolidated!

 Chat does not really fit in Multimedia, IMHO.

It's not in Multimedia, it's in Going online. Make sure you force a
reload on the page

 but Peter doesn't want to deal with a text file.

 Sean



 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard
 godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Iain, Sean, Sam,


 _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_.


 Peter,
 when need this be finished?


 Gonzalo



 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
  On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson
 wrote:
Hi Peter,
   
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
   
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown
 Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof
 reading.

 Fair copy attached.

 I originally included the section
 Multimedia, as it is the set of
 Activities in
 http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
 but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.

 I think it is the weakest section. Chat
 jars a bit on the page, as
 Chat is used in the Spins page template
 to refer to IRC.

 My memory is that Jukebox is not part of
 the core set (due to non-free
 components?).
   
You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and
 there a number of free
codecs that come as standard.
   Thanks, Peter, for the correction.
  
   So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing
 Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer
   you feel should remain?
 
  I really don't care what it's called but those
 three are staying,
  right where they are. A lot of people want to view
 photos, listen to
  music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not
 particularly bothered.
 
   Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
actually test it and see what's there!
   
 Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands
 should be deleted.
   
Not going to happen. This isn't time for
 bikeshedding, it's time for
tweaking the content as it stands.
   
   
Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding.
 The headers on the page are
not very relevant to an education focused
 desktop environment - they are
headers for a traditional dekstop environment.
  
   I was talking about Multimedia as it stands
 should be deleted so I
   have no idea why you're talking about the header
 names. I have stated
   before the header names need to be updated. I'm
 still awaiting what
   they should be updated to.
  
   ... awaiting?
  
   Understanding and creating content
   Learning by doing
   Getting technical
   Exploring the wider world
   Multimedia
   Reflection on what you've learned
  
   is from earlier contributions and both my
 attachments to this thread.
 
  As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time
 to reconcile
  opinions coming in from a number of locations.
  Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing
 the contributions
  onto one attachment, are you receiving your email
 without attachments?


 No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless
 they are text
 patches

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We're in the last stretch so we're now down to critical fixes. Please
test and let me know ASAP.

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https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_RC1/Images/armhfp/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22-1-sda.raw.xz
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 11:39 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 Iain, Sean, Sam,


 _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_.

 Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice.


I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live
on staging shortly.

Please provide any further updates against that.

 My apologies to the other contributors, Sam, Walter and Sean for
 clouding their perfectly useful work.

 The text that I have called the Walter/Sam contribution is on this
 thread.

 Sean's improved text reads:

 #-#

 Sugar on a Stick is a Fedora-based operating system featuring the
 award-winning Sugar Learning Platform and designed to fit on an ordinary
 USB thumbdrive (stick).

 Sugar sets aside the traditional office-desktop metaphor, presenting a
 child-friendly simple graphical environment. Sugar automatically saves
 the child's progress to a Journal on your stick, so teachers and
 parents can easily pull up all collaborative web browsing sessions done
 in the past week or papers written with Daniel and Sarah in the last
 24 hours with a simple query rather than memorizing complex file/folder
 structures. Applications in Sugar are known as Activities, some of which
 are described below.

 It is now deployable for the cost of a stick rather than a laptop;
 students can take their Sugar on a Stick thumbdrive to any machine - at
 school, at home, at a library or community center - and boot their
 customized computing environment without touching the host machine's
 hard disk or existing system at all.

 #-#

 I feel that this is the limit of my ability to achieve consensus.

 I have a plain text copy of the above two elements plus Sean's
 proof_reading_corrections, if it is required.

 Iain

 Peter,
 when need this be finished?


 Gonzalo



 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
  On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
Hi Peter,
   
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson
 pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
   
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.

 Fair copy attached.

 I originally included the section Multimedia, as
 it is the set of
 Activities in
 http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
 but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.

 I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit
 on the page, as
 Chat is used in the Spins page template to
 refer to IRC.

 My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core
 set (due to non-free
 components?).
   
You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a
 number of free
codecs that come as standard.
   Thanks, Peter, for the correction.
  
   So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox,
 Record, Imageviewer
   you feel should remain?
 
  I really don't care what it's called but those three are
 staying,
  right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos,
 listen to
  music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly
 bothered.
 
   Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
actually test it and see what's there!
   
 Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should
 be deleted.
   
Not going to happen. This isn't time for
 bikeshedding, it's time for
tweaking the content as it stands.
   
   
Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding.  The
 headers on the page are
not very relevant to an education focused desktop
 environment - they are
headers for a traditional dekstop environment.
  
   I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be
 deleted so I
   have no idea why you're talking about the header names.
 I have stated
   before the header names need to be updated. I'm still
 awaiting what
   they should be updated to.
  
   ... awaiting?
  
   Understanding and creating content
   Learning by doing
   Getting technical
   Exploring the wider world
   Multimedia
   Reflection on what you've learned
  
   is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to
 this thread.
 
  As I've

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

 _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_.

 Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice.


 I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live
 on staging shortly.

 Please provide any further updates against that.

Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload
to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc.

http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/

Please provide updates against that in a email without html
formatting. Pure text in an email.

We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done.

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Peter, I was watching that too.

 If I understand correctly switching/changing the sections or adding an
 Activity is beyond tweaks? while text changes are tweaks.

We need to stop somewhere and say Yes, this is good enough and I
really don't have the time to deal with more updates. It's easy to
keep changing the room around when you don't have to do the work.

Feel free to suggest changes, but don't be offended if they don't happen :)

There were some Activities that were being suggested that we don't
even have packaged in Fedora eg here is Develop, I'd never even heard
of that. Ultimately the people making suggestions should actually
download and see what is there on what we ship :-)

 I'm quite happy with it, even though there are lots of changes we suggested
 which aren't in.

 I feel the only tweak still to make is to add under the Journal:
 The Journal provides an interface into a datastore of everything you've
 created in Sugar. Bookmarking and commenting tools integrate with the
 Journal to allow parents and teachers to review a child's learning progress.

 The Journal is central to the Sugar experience and we rightly call it out in
 the Intro, but I feel the description under it is too brief.

I've pushed that change in.

 Thanks again for making all this happen.

No problems, I think both the actual SoaS 22 and the new site look
really good together!

 Sean



 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_.
 
  Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice.
 
 
  I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live
  on staging shortly.
 
  Please provide any further updates against that.

 Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload
 to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc.

 http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/

 Please provide updates against that in a email without html
 formatting. Pure text in an email.

 We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done.

 Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.

 Fair copy attached.

 I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of
 Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
 but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.

 I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as
 Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC.

 My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free
 components?).

You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free
codecs that come as standard. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
actually test it and see what's there!

 Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted.

Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for
tweaking the content as it stands.

 Regards,

 Iain


 On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:29 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
 thanks Iain looks good

 some typos:
 Wwork - Work

 FotoToon - OK is singular not plural
 speech and though - speech and thought
 Paint provides to tools - Paint provides tools
 Make Sugar activities - Make Sugar Activities / edit existing
 activities - edit existing Activities / Browse activity - Browse
 Activity (((Activities always init-capitalized in Sugar context when
 describing applications)))


 Also Pippy  Develop should be in a Getting Technical section not
 regrouped under Learning by doing please


 Tweaks:
 * Get Books. Download electronic books from all over the web. Explore
 with ease the
   classics and modern books from the Internet Archive, Feedbooks, etc.


 Music - I think this refers to the Jukebox Activity, should be:

 * Jukebox. Media player to play different kinds of audio and video
 files.

 However, I am not sure if this Activity is in the latest SoaS or not?


 * Record is the basic rich-media capture Activity. It lets you capture
 still images, video, and/or audio. (((remove for the laptop - we
 can't assume SoaS will be running on a laptop)))


 Finally, an HTML issue: the left/right curly quote marks (cf. office
 desktop) which probably came in from copy/pasted text should either
 be replacd with simple double parentheses ( quot;) or the HTML
 entities ldquo; and rdquo;


 thanks

 Sean




 On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 15:14 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
  Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions,
 mine were
  for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary
 
 
  Sean
 
 
 
  On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson
  pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have
 gone in,
  we need
  to update titles still I believe.
 
  This is what we currently have, the Activities list
 and layout
  are now set.
 
  http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
 
  We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits
  co-ordinated,

 Hi all,

 The attached text file starts from
 http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/, taken during
 Sunday,
 with contributions from Sean  Walter/Sam added.

 There is still some work to do, additions, subtractions or
 comments
 please!

 Regards,

 Iain

   I
  don't have time to to do that so please liaise with
 Walter to
  come up
  with the final edits so I can submit them early next
 week as a
  single
  final edit.
 
  Peter
 
 
 
  On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY
  sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
   Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in?
   thanks
   Sean
  
  
   On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson
  pbrobin...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   It's already in process
  
   On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P.
  sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Peter,
   
I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with
 headers -
  maybe we could
use
those headers?
   
Thanks,
Sam
   
[1]
 
  http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html
   
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

  Hi Peter,
 
  On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
  i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
   Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.
  
   Fair copy attached.
  
   I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of
   Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
   but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.
  
   I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as
   Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC.
  
   My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free
   components?).
 
  You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free
  codecs that come as standard.
 Thanks, Peter, for the correction.

 So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer
 you feel should remain?

I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying,
right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to
music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered.

 Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
  actually test it and see what's there!
 
   Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted.
 
  Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for
  tweaking the content as it stands.
 
 
  Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding.  The headers on the page are
  not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are
  headers for a traditional dekstop environment.

 I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I
 have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated
 before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what
 they should be updated to.

 ... awaiting?

 Understanding and creating content
 Learning by doing
 Getting technical
 Exploring the wider world
 Multimedia
 Reflection on what you've learned

 is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread.

As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile
opinions coming in from a number of locations. How do those above
titles apply to the Activity groupings? Or should I just randomly
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Peter,

 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
  Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.
 
  Fair copy attached.
 
  I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of
  Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
  but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.
 
  I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as
  Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC.
 
  My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free
  components?).

 You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free
 codecs that come as standard. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
 actually test it and see what's there!

  Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted.

 Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for
 tweaking the content as it stands.


 Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding.  The headers on the page are
 not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are
 headers for a traditional dekstop environment.

I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I
have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated
before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what
they should be updated to.

 The sections are not sensible in the context of Sugar - and the Education
 section is almost like a joke.

 Logical section headers are just as important as good text.  People looking
 at websites are often very distracted and need very logical things before
 they scratch their head and look else where.  I'm being a little assertive -
 but we should change the headers!

Please read back through my previous replies.

 Also some very unimportant stuff:  Portfolio, Journal and Paint all have
 different color palettes for their icons :(

They were taken as it directly from the sugar svgs so I suspect
something is broken there.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
   Hi Peter,
  
   On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com 
   wrote:
  
   On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
   i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.
   
Fair copy attached.
   
I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of
Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.
   
I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as
Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC.
   
My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to 
non-free
components?).
  
   You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free
   codecs that come as standard.
  Thanks, Peter, for the correction.
 
  So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer
  you feel should remain?

 I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying,
 right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to
 music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered.

  Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
   actually test it and see what's there!
  
Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted.
  
   Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for
   tweaking the content as it stands.
  
  
   Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding.  The headers on the page 
   are
   not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are
   headers for a traditional dekstop environment.
 
  I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I
  have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated
  before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what
  they should be updated to.
 
  ... awaiting?
 
  Understanding and creating content
  Learning by doing
  Getting technical
  Exploring the wider world
  Multimedia
  Reflection on what you've learned
 
  is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread.

 As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile
 opinions coming in from a number of locations.
 Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions
 onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments?

No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text
patches, they're generally just spam or viruses.

In plain text inline emails please.

I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already
wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need
to update titles still I believe.

This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set.

http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/

We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, I
don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up
with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single
final edit.

Peter



On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in?
 thanks
 Sean


 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It's already in process

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Peter,
 
  I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could
  use
  those headers?
 
  Thanks,
  Sam
 
  [1]  http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html
 
  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson
  sam.parkins...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   Hi Peter,
  
   Peter Robinson wrote:
   Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el,
  
   I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based
   partially
   on Sam's details below.
  
   Details are here:
   http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
  
   Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab!
  
   Yeah, it does.
  
   Is there a way to have different headers?  Some of the headings (esp.
   Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar.
 
  Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll review them and
  get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we needed to get the
  majority of the bits in place.
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

It's already in process

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Peter,

 I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use
 those headers?

 Thanks,
 Sam

 [1]  http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson sam.parkins...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi Peter,
 
  Peter Robinson wrote:
  Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el,
 
  I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially
  on Sam's details below.
 
  Details are here:
  http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
 
  Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab!
 
  Yeah, it does.
 
  Is there a way to have different headers?  Some of the headings (esp.
  Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar.

 Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll review them and
 get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we needed to get the
 majority of the bits in place.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Peter,

 Peter Robinson wrote:
 Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el,

 I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially
 on Sam's details below.

 Details are here:
 http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/

 Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab!

 Yeah, it does.

 Is there a way to have different headers?  Some of the headings (esp. 
 Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar.

Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll review them and
get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we needed to get the
majority of the bits in place.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site

[Peter Robinson]

Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el,

I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially
on Sam's details below.

Details are here:
http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/

Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab!

Peter

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote:
 The new site looks very nice!!!

 Here is my attempt at some featured applications:

 Understanding and Creating Content
 ---

 * Write.  Make a story, poem, report or anything with write.  Use formatting
 tools to add images or colors.  Work together with friends to write together
 in real time.
 * Labyrinth.  Put complex ideas on the computer.  Use Laybrinth activity to
 mind map about new concepts, to explore new ideas or to reflect.
 * FotoToon.  Use images and text to create comic strips.  FotoToon provides
 many options to add motion, speech and though to creations.
 * Paint.  Paint provides to tools to make artistic creations.  Use brushes,
 stamps, shapes, text and images to create beautiful pictures.

 Learn by Doing
 --

 * Turtle Blocks.  Learn programming concepts with snap together blocks.
 Create art, animations and interactive programs in a graphics focused
 environment.
 * Physics.  Create real life simulations using shapes, motors, ropes and
 bolts to explore physics in the world.  Work collaboratively on your
 simulation with friends.

 Getting Technical
 -

 * Pippy.  Program applications in a simple yet powerful environment.  The
 Python back end provides unlimited opportunities within a simple language
 and environment.
 * Develop.  Make Sugar activities within Sugar itself.  Develop provides
 templates for new games, native and web activities as well as simple
 environment to edit existing activities.

 Exploring the Wide World
 -

 * Browse.  Access the internet with Browse activity.  Bookmark sites to
 research with friends and save sessions to the Journal to keep organized.
 * Get Books.  Download electronic books from all over the web.  Explore the
 classics and modern books with ease.
 * Read.  Explore reports, documents, books and comic books with Read
 activity.  Bookmarking and commenting tools integrate with the Journal to
 allow limitless possibilities.

 I think we could use the activity icons for the icons.  Maybe we should
 color them, but that would not be consistent with the reset of sugar sites
 (aslo...).

 Also, could we use a better screenshot?  I'm not sure what the policy is,
 but the current one has no journal icons and therefore no color on the home
 view.  Color is a good thing.

 Thanks,
 Sam

 (I'm not sure we should mention collab, 'cause collab always seems to fail
 on fedora over jabber.slo.  Bugs to look at for this new release!!!)

 On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 1:06 AM Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Fedora Design Team is working in the new Fedora Spins site.

 Sugar on a Stick is included there, and they are asking for feedback and
 content.


 http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2015/05/07/time-to-kick-the-tires-on-the-new-fedora-websites-in-staging/

 Who can provide the information requested?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] f22-spins page is being written and needs suggestions

[Peter Robinson]

See the post I just sent to the list less than a hour ago :-)

Thanks Sean,

Peter

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Tom, Gonzalo had mentioned this, I have a rewrite of the introduction in
 the works and Sam's Activity texts are good. The main issue is explaining
 that SOAS Desktop is not a desktop (!)

 Peter is coordinating on the Fedora side.
 Sean


 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Thomas Gilliard satelli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Please Help
 f22 get fedora spins page is being written and needs suggestions

 robyduck on #fedora-qa  needs sugar writeup of spins page on fedora for
 f22:
 he has thi text:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2015-May/017396.html

 I sent him 2 screenshots yesterday
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-Home_.png
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Screenshot_of_Mesh_1.png

 http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/   is the proposed format
 he needs it done by saturday 

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities Collaboration on SoaS 22

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On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 1:47 AM,  tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote:
 I managed to test Sugar on Fedora 22 release (SoaS 22). Looking good.

 However I have not been able to get activities working on collaboration mode 
 - memorize, write, record, etc.

 Wonder if this is my problem ?

I believe it's due to a change in upstream telepathy with sugar not
being updated for the changes, I've not seen a patch to fix it though
and I'm not sure of the exact details.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Community XO software builds

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On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:04 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 10:28:06AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:21 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org 
 wrote:
  The obvious counterargument would be that a deployment might want
  to deploy your XO-Next (whatever it is) alongside existing XO
  laptops, allowing all of them to have the same configuration.

 From my memory of olpc-os-builder it was very modular and wouldn't be
 hard to add dozens of different devices support to it.

 Yes, it would be straightforward to add commodity hardware support to
 olpc-os-builder.  Add kernel and boot loader.  Add some sort of
 installer.

 But we have SoaS, and SoaS works fine on commodity hardware, so why
 bother with olpc-os-builder?

Because same process for any and every device. A single process is a
good thing, it makes it easier to understand and get a consistent
configuration everywhere.

 Because olpc-update?  Nobody uses it.

The interesting thing here is that Atomic on Fedora would provide
everything that olpc-update was designed to do and it could make
upgrades between Fedora releases much easier and less of an issue with
regards to TLS. Plus probably a bunch of things that it currently
doesn't and it's upstream being actively developed, instead of home
brew, would likely ease the security updates issues mentioned
previously and easy pushing out of updates, caching updates for
bandwidth etc.

 Because preinstalled activities?  SoaS can do that too.

  There's plenty of blame to go around in terms of re-inventing the wheel and
  lack of communication.

 Yep!

  There simply (and correct me if I'm wrong) are not the resources inside of
  OLPC, outside, or combined at this time to maintain and update two separate
  builds  build systems.
 
  It amazes me how far we bend over backwards to avoid saying end of life
  and end of support.
 
 
  I have seen a fair amount of interest, both publicly and privately, for
  newer XO laptop builds.  But I don't think the requesters realize how much
  work it takes to make one.

 The big one here is kernel kernel kernel.

 Yes.

  And I do not forsee anyone stepping up to get the XO-1.75 and XO-4 kernel 
  drivers into a state they can be upstreamed or upgraded for newer Fedoras
  unless a deployment really wants this instead of newer equipment.

 Or even the 1.5, I believe most of the XO-1 support is upsteream.

  Newer operating systems tend to require more disk space and RAM than the
  predecessors.  We have seen this even within Fedora's lineage.

 Yes, and no. I mean 1Gb of the original XO-1 is tight, but SoaS still
 happily fits in 4Gb with a bunch of space to spare. Looking at my
 current SoaS VM the used space is around 1.9Gb. Amusingly the various
 cloud/container enterprise initiatives actively help us here because
 for once they care about dependency bloat too :-)

 The two things that add bloat to the current SoaS image are:
 * Browse needs to be converted to the new WebKitGtk APIs so we don't
 ship two copies of WebKitGtk.
 * Conversion of remaining gstreamer 0.10 to 1.0 to allow us not to ship that.

 Ultimately I think you could with a little development effort get it
 down to 1.5Gb used space which would make a 2Gb filesystem quite
 usable.

  Since OLPC already appears to be going the Ubuntu LTS route, I would argue
  it would be easiest to take everything that way, porting utilities as
  required, and make that the final image  build system for XOs.

 Personally I have no interest in that. I wish you luck.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Community XO software builds

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On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:10 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 09:19:45AM -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 I think we should try make a build using CentOS. I don't know if
 have all the packages we need, but the rate of change in Fedora was
 difficult to follow when OLPC had a team dedicated and now is almost
 impossible. The true is we didn't finished to solve the problems we
 found in F20, and Fedora is working in F22.

 I do not think we should switch from Fedora to CentOS, because;

 1.  our installed base express interest in Fedora or Ubuntu,

Daniel Drake, myself and others put in a lot of effort back in the
F-14/15 days to get everything upstream into Fedora. I continue to
maintain that and produce a Sugar on a Stick release with every Fedora
release.

In the last release Daniel and I was involved in the delta between
Fedora and the OLPC release was very minimal. Basically kernel,
firmware, and some minor changes to a couple of Sugar packages for XO
HW and patches that weren't yet upstream.

 2.  there are missing desktop packages, which means we are taking on
 maintenance of those packages on CentOS,

Having tried and failed to do this back when EL6 was new I believe
this is a dead end. It turned out to be _WAY_ more effort than
actually keeping Fedora up to date. The upstream RHEL releases are
every 6 months but if you need a fix for a package in the core 2500
odd packages and it's not easy you might be waiting a lot longer for a
fix.

In Fedora if you know the right people (like me) you can get a fix
into update-testing in a day. Also there's a much much wider QA group
across the packages we use and care about.

I can go on and on about the details required for this but basically I
suspect eyes have glazed over already.

 3.  we would delay necessary work until the next release of CentOS, or
 if the work is too large we may never upgrade.

I suspect it would be never.

 Let me explain that last point.

 There is a continuous flow of changes into Fedora.  These changes
 eventually flow into Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and thus into CentOS.

 The most cost effective way to handle this flow was for developers to
 test changes on our builds, every week.  This gaves us awareness of
 the change and kept us involved to resist changes that cause damage.
 We were there once.  It required a low but continuous engineering
 effort.

It use to take around an hour to cut a release from Fedora/Sugar
repos. Quite often the delta from a patch for a fix being created and
a new OS was in the hours timeframe. It's the usual story of a little
bit of effort regularly stops it from being a major issue.

Kernel and olpc-os-builder aside I think you could probably produce a
working image of Fedora 22 now. I think all the userspace bits are
likely there and working due to my SoaS work.

It's actually the thing that annoys me most about the sugar community.
IMO we have a great working Sugar release that works pretty much
everywhere plus is a great proven base for XO releases yet so many
core developers have told me if only you'd focus on Ubuntu we'd use
it yet Ubuntu for _YEARS_ have shown that they couldn't given a shit
and even actively remove core bits needed (remember the Browse on
Mozilla years anyone??) to make it even harder.

 The next most cost effective way is to do this work only when a new
 release of Fedora occurs.  This results in lots of head scratching and
 bug fixing, and new builds, until the bugs are mostly gone.  We are
 here now.  It requires bursts of engineering effort.

Actually it needs work _BEFORE_ a new release happens, any work now
IMO should be focused on Fedora 23. That way you have everything in
place in time for Fedora 23 GA in October and you get the longest
value out of the release.

 The least cost effective way is to hold off doing that work for three
 years until the next CentOS release.  This would be a lot more work in
 a much shorter burst.

And you'll likely end up in a very disparate stability across devices.
Both ARMv7 and i686 is community supported in CentOS which means you
get likely dubious quality of work and I suspect due to toolchain
config choices for i686 it won't even run on the XO-1. Has anyone
actually tried booting CentOS-7 on a XO1? From what I've seen of the
ARMv7 efforts I see it as half arsed at best.

People ask me if I can help with CentOS. The answer is no. I have no
personal interest in CentOS. I have enough to do with personal
projects on Fedora.

 Delaying effort until a future time hasn't worked, and I don't think
 it will.  Meanwhile, I'm trying as hard as I can with what I'm doing.

And I've been trying as hard with Fedora as possible. The core Sugar
stack is in pretty good shape. There's some work needed on some
Activies but most of the work it to update them to the latest upstream
bits.

Peter

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Final Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

We're getting to the pointy end of the Fedora 22 release and hence SoaS 22.

Below are links to the latest images. Please test. I've seen there's a
new Read out (why aren't announcement about new Activites going to
list anymore?) but all others should be on latest releases.

I look forward to the bug reports.

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC2/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22-TC2.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC2/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22-TC2.iso
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As per the Fedora 22 schedule [1], Fedora 22 Final Test Compose 2
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Content information, including changes, can be found at
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Community XO software builds

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On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:21 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote:
 The obvious counterargument would be that a deployment might want to deploy
 your XO-Next (whatever it is) alongside existing XO laptops, allowing all of
 them to have the same configuration.

From my memory of olpc-os-builder it was very modular and wouldn't be
hard to add dozens of different devices support to it.

 There's plenty of blame to go around in terms of re-inventing the wheel and
 lack of communication.

Yep!

 There simply (and correct me if I'm wrong) are not the resources inside of
 OLPC, outside, or combined at this time to maintain and update two separate
 builds  build systems.

 It amazes me how far we bend over backwards to avoid saying end of life
 and end of support.


 I have seen a fair amount of interest, both publicly and privately, for
 newer XO laptop builds.  But I don't think the requesters realize how much
 work it takes to make one.

The big one here is kernel kernel kernel.

 And I do not forsee anyone stepping up to get the XO-1.75 and XO-4 kernel 
 drivers into a state they can be upstreamed or upgraded for newer Fedoras
 unless a deployment really wants this instead of newer equipment.

Or even the 1.5, I believe most of the XO-1 support is upsteream.

 Newer operating systems tend to require more disk space and RAM than the
 predecessors.  We have seen this even within Fedora's lineage.

Yes, and no. I mean 1Gb of the original XO-1 is tight, but SoaS still
happily fits in 4Gb with a bunch of space to spare. Looking at my
current SoaS VM the used space is around 1.9Gb. Amusingly the various
cloud/container enterprise initiatives actively help us here because
for once they care about dependency bloat too :-)

The two things that add bloat to the current SoaS image are:
* Browse needs to be converted to the new WebKitGtk APIs so we don't
ship two copies of WebKitGtk.
* Conversion of remaining gstreamer 0.10 to 1.0 to allow us not to ship that.

Ultimately I think you could with a little development effort get it
down to 1.5Gb used space which would make a 2Gb filesystem quite
usable.

 Since OLPC already appears to be going the Ubuntu LTS route, I would argue
 it would be easiest to take everything that way, porting utilities as
 required, and make that the final image  build system for XOs.

Personally I have no interest in that. I wish you luck.

 I only have a limited number of hours per week I can look into OLPC things,
 but I'm tempted to take a look.






 On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:50 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:

 On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 09:29:46PM -0400, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
  It might be possible for this new builder to be eventually taught to
  handle XOs.

 There was no significant interest in my previous builder uxo, which
 already knows how to handle XOs.  The recent posts on devel@ of people
 trying something similar without looking at uxo is further evidence of
 that.

 So for the moment, there seems to be no need for my new builder to
 handle XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 or XO-4 laptops.  The Fedora based
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[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

I see there's a new Read 115 release.

What's changed? The tarball has gone from 74K for v114 to 498K for
v115, that's quite a jump!

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Read 115 issues

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 This is probably due to the screenshots added (used by the new ASLO)

Why do these need to be packaged in the Activity? 400Kb per Activity
is a lot of space on something like the XO-1.

Where was this discussed and decided to be a good idea? I can't help
but think this is a badly thought out distribution means.

Ultimately not a massive problem for rpm packaging because we can
explicitly exclude the screenshot directory in the package. I was
concerned it was something more concerning like a security compromise.

Peter

 [gonzalo@localhost read-activity]$ ls -l screenshots/en/
 total 452
 -rw-rw-r--. 1 gonzalo gonzalo  47294 dic  3 08:49 1.png
 -rw-rw-r--. 1 gonzalo gonzalo 413594 dic  3 08:49 2.PNG

 I don't know what is best here, we can avoid include them in the .xo and
 .tar.bz2
 or we can use smaller images.
 Certainly do not have sense use the little space in the xos in this way.

 Sam,
 are you taking the images from git or how are you doing?

 Gonzalo

 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I see there's a new Read 115 release.

 What's changed? The tarball has gone from 74K for v114 to 498K for
 v115, that's quite a jump!

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fedora Flock Conference

[Peter Robinson]

 Are we planning to do anything with Sugar at the Fedora Flock Conference
 (August 12-15, Rochester NY - www.flocktofedora.org) this year?

 The call for talks just ended although it might be possible to sneak one
 in.


 The call for papers is open until May 2, 2015:
 http://fedoramagazine.org/flock-to-fedora

 (Attendance is free and open to all.)

Correct, I'll be there. Would be good to get a few people represented
from the Sugar community.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] XO Fedora 22 Beta work

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org wrote:
 At James' suggestion I looked a bit into a Fedora 22 beta build.  I have
 found the following problems so far getting the RPM dependencies worked out:

 olpc-library needs to depend on python-jinja2, not python-jinja.  The
 olpc-library RPM also was removed from Fedora, perhaps due to lack of
 changes  abandonment.

Likely, I didn't even know it existed.

 totem-mozplugin no longer exists and was intentionally removed.  Given
 Firefox supports various media codecs internally this might not be a problem
 for it (apart for vmeta?); but I don't know what webkit-based Browse uses
 for media players.

Gstreamer based as well so I don't see any major issue there except if
vmeta doesn't support gstreamer 1.0

 xorg-x11-drv-keyboard and -mouse have been replaced by
 xorg-x11-drv-libinput.  See
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg

Works fine on SoaS, although I think there might be a need to migrate
Control Panel bits, I did send an email about it some time ago to
devel@

 14.1.0 has custom F20 systemd binaries, but I am having trouble finding
 information as to why.  If they have relevant changes they need to be ported
 to F22 if not already present because using the F20 systemd binaries breaks
 all sorts of library dependencies.

The reason is due to changes in firmware loading changes in the kernel
and the fact the XO kernels haven't been rebased to something more
modern than 3.0+

 Patches have been written for the first three that I could submit.

 We need to come up with a clear direction as to what volunteers and/or OLPC
 want  would actually use for updated XO builds.  I only have the time to
 focus on one set of images.

I can help on anything needed that's in Fedora in terms of adding
patches there so you don't need to fork but similarly I don't have
much time.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] XO Fedora 22 Beta work

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
 wrote:

 At James' suggestion I looked a bit into a Fedora 22 beta build.  I have
 found the following problems so far getting the RPM dependencies worked out:

 olpc-library needs to depend on python-jinja2, not python-jinja.  The
 olpc-library RPM also was removed from Fedora, perhaps due to lack of
 changes  abandonment.
 totem-mozplugin no longer exists and was intentionally removed.  Given
 Firefox supports various media codecs internally this might not be a problem
 for it (apart for vmeta?); but I don't know what webkit-based Browse uses
 for media players.
 xorg-x11-drv-keyboard and -mouse have been replaced by
 xorg-x11-drv-libinput.  See
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg
 14.1.0 has custom F20 systemd binaries, but I am having trouble finding
 information as to why.  If they have relevant changes they need to be ported
 to F22 if not already present because using the F20 systemd binaries breaks
 all sorts of library dependencies.

 Patches have been written for the first three that I could submit.

 We need to come up with a clear direction as to what volunteers and/or
 OLPC want  would actually use for updated XO builds.  I only have the time
 to focus on one set of images.


 True. I am not sure what is best option here.
 We still didn't solved all the issues in F20, but is already a old
 release.
 I wonder if we can try make images based in CentOS.


 George Hunt is having surprisingly rapid success with CentOS 7 for XSCE.
 Its new release (equivalent to RHEL 7.1) is now out...

 Wishful Thinking hopes that similar progress might be possible on various XO
 laptops?

Very wishful, most of the server stuff would already be in
CentOS/EPEL, to get the the sugar stack and dependencies in would be a
reasonable chunk of work. The standard packages in Fedora could easily
be branched for EPEL7 and would all be compatible but someone would
need to step up to do the work as I certainly don't have the time or
really interest.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] telepathy-gabble and collaboration

[Peter Robinson]

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Martin Abente
martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Peter,

 A few days ago, I figured out why Sugar collaboration is broken when
 connected to a Jabber server since Fedora 20.

 To summarize: since telepathy-gabble 0.17.25, the Tubes API was deprecated
 and removed [1], therefore collaboration is broken in any system with newer
 gabble packages. The long term solution is to switch Sugar to the new APIs
 (StreamTubes, DBusTubes) but there is no estimate of when this can happen.

 One workaround is to provide an older package, ie., telepathy-gabble 0.16.
 Is there a way to do this for SOAS?

Not easily and I have no idea what other packages in the telepathy
stack might need to change. Does it affect telepathy-salut too? At the
moment it's probably too late to fix it in Fedora 22 without a chunk
of work that I don't have time for between now and F-22 GA. Has
someone got a patch we can add to sugar* for *Tubes support?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 vs Sugar 0.104 performance, and swap to NAND Flash

[Peter Robinson]

 On 07/04/15 22:47, James Cameron wrote:
  The testing scripts can be made available if anybody else would
  like to replicate the results.

 I'd be curious to look at your scripts and try to replicate some
 results with our builds.

 git clone git://dev.laptop.org/users/quozl/test-startup-time.git

 Look at the file HOWTO.

 Somewhat unfinished work.  Do ask any questions you may have.

 Thanks a lot for your detailed tests!

 No worries.

Interesting details! I'd be interested to see if porting Browse to the
newer webkit 2 and what effect the perf improvements there would offer
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

The Fedora 22 Beta RC is out, would be great to get some testing on
SoAS/Sugar 0.104


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Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!
To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


As per the Fedora 22 schedule [1], Fedora 22 Beta Release Candidate 1
(RC1) is now available for testing.

Content information, including changes, can be found at
  https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6132#comment:15.Please see
the following pages for download links and testing instructions.
Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide the fastest download, but
download-ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror (with an
approximately 1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just replace
dl with download-ib01 in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

All Beta priority test cases for each of these test pages [2] must
pass in order to meet the Beta Release Criteria [3]. For the Fedora
22 cycle we are also trying to run the Final tests at this time, to
try and identify later release blocker bugs as early as possible.

Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the
test list [5].

Create Fedora 22 Beta test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6132

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current

[1]
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Beta_Release_Criteria
[4] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa
[5] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

[Peter Robinson]

I've added a few ideas that would be very useful for SoaS (and in
general I believe), I hope it's not too late, feel free to
update/edit/change/query.

Peter

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sure. Please add them

 Measure to GST 1.0 would be good as well.

 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Looking at the GSoC 2015 idea page [1] I'm wondering if it's possible
 to get some other core items added as part of the sugar core projects?

 Like:
 * Covert Record to gtk3 / gstreamer 1
 * Covert TamTam/Speak etc to CSound 6

 Peter

 [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2015
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Release] Announcing Sugar 0.104.1 (stable)

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Martin Abente
martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 After a few a days of delay [1], I am pleased to announce the the release of
 Sugar 0.104.1.

On their way to F-22+, they should be in F-22 updates-testing tomorrow.

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Fedora 22 Alpha is out. Please test SoaS v22 :-)

There's a few minor known issues:
* Obviously 0.104.1 isn't in it just yet [1] :-)
* gabble and salut are missing, to fix: sudo yum install
telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut on the command line. This is already
fixed and will be in the nightly builds RSN

There's also a number of Activities that have issues so please test,
fix and if necessary let me know if you need some help!

[1] Update is 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-runner-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-datastore-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-artwork-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-0.104.1-1.fc22


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Date: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM
Subject: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!
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  • The login screen now uses Wayland by default. This is a step
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notice the difference.
  • Installation of GStreamer codecs, fonts, and certain document types
is now handled by Software, instead of gnome-packagekit.
  • The Automatic Bug Reporting Tool (ABRT) now features better
notifications, and uses the privacy 

[Sugar-devel] GSoC projects

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Looking at the GSoC 2015 idea page [1] I'm wondering if it's possible
to get some other core items added as part of the sugar core projects?

Like:
* Covert Record to gtk3 / gstreamer 1
* Covert TamTam/Speak etc to CSound 6

Peter

[1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2015
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora 22 Alpha Test Compose (SoaS 22)

[Peter Robinson]

I normally get them from the QA announcements

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2015-February/125244.html

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 There are any place to get the last link?

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I believe there's a TC7 now

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  Downloading.
  I think I have a fix for Terminal, will test and release a new version.
 
  Gonzalo
 
  On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  The first compose towards SoaS 22 is out [2][3][4]. I've done some
  very basic testing and there's problems even failing to start with the
  following Activities:
  * Terminal
  * Speak
  * Pippy
  * Ruler
 
  So if someone could look and see why that would be fab!
 
  Also there's a plan to move to Libinput for F-22+. We have an option,
  at least at the moment to stick with the old input devices but it
  would be good for someone to review. Basically it doesn't impact
  standard use but the configuration of input devices so I'm not sure if
  the Keyboard control panel would need to be updated.
 
  Also a reminder we've dropped anything depending on
  sugar-presence-service (eToys) by default so if people really want it
  the time is now to get it fixed!
 
  Peter
 
  [1] fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg
  [2] ARM
 
  https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8406/9078406/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22_Alpha-TC6-sda.raw.xz
  [3] x86_64
 
  https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8357/9078357/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
  [4] i686
 
  https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8353/9078353/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
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[Sugar-devel] Fedora 22 Alpha Test Compose (SoaS 22)

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

The first compose towards SoaS 22 is out [2][3][4]. I've done some
very basic testing and there's problems even failing to start with the
following Activities:
* Terminal
* Speak
* Pippy
* Ruler

So if someone could look and see why that would be fab!

Also there's a plan to move to Libinput for F-22+. We have an option,
at least at the moment to stick with the old input devices but it
would be good for someone to review. Basically it doesn't impact
standard use but the configuration of input devices so I'm not sure if
the Keyboard control panel would need to be updated.

Also a reminder we've dropped anything depending on
sugar-presence-service (eToys) by default so if people really want it
the time is now to get it fixed!

Peter

[1] fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg
[2] ARM 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8406/9078406/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22_Alpha-TC6-sda.raw.xz
[3] x86_64 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8357/9078357/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
[4] i686 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse-157?

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On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Looks like I will not have time to work on Write for a while..
 If anybody want to check, the spec and patches used in the F18 rpm are here
 [1]
 In theory, all the patches should be already on abiword upstream,
 but would be good check.

Did anyone get a chance to check if all the abiword patches were
upstream in 3.0.1?

 Gonzalo

 [1] https://git.sugarlabs.org/olpc-abiword-rpm/olpc-abiword-rpm

 On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

  Ok, then I can do the release, the problem is not related with the
  changes.

 Yes.

 How's Write going?  ;-)



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release IRC-12

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Sugar Labs Activities
activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Activity Homepage:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4029

 Sugar Platform:
 0.82 - 0.102

 Download Now:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/29078/irc-12.xo

 Release notes:
 12
 * Fixed problems with popup menus by ignacio
 * pep8 for code by ignacio

Can I have a tar file?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Release] Announcing Sugar 0.104.0 (stable)

[Peter Robinson]

 I am pleased to announce the release of Sugar (sucrose) 0.104.0. This
 release includes new features and bug fixes from Google Code-In and Summer
 of Code students, deployments and community members.

 See the release notes:

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Notes

 Sources:

 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.104.0.tar.xz


 Thanks to everyone who contributed to this release!

All packaged up and headed to Fedora 22+ just in time for the Alphas
to start. Look forward to all feedback and testing.

 P.S. According to our roadmap (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap),
 there will be one more release in a couple weeks hopefully with more
 translation updates!

Excellent!
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick going forward for F-22 onwards

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

With Fedora/SoaS 21 out for some time I think we have a good and stable release.

Firstly I'd like to thank the awesome test effort to get a large chuck
of testing done and fixes in for the deadline.

Moving forward I'm happy to coordinate and deal with the release
engineering side of things to get the release out, fixes in etc.

What I'd like help in is someone who is happy to coordinate testing
and general community communications and facilitation. As you might
have noticed this isn't one of my strong points! When I do remember to
send out notifications to the list it's amazing how people spring into
furious action and get things tested and fixes in place.

It's relatively straight forward, the Fedora schedule is always well
organised [1] as is their QA team.

Following the Fedora process, while slightly restrictive, has proven
to give us strong releases and deals with a lot of the back in process
so we don't have and I don't think it's in our interest in changing
that (and personally I have no interest to change that).

I'd also be interested interested to hear how people would like to
improve the release from a technical perspective. Is there anything
people have a few cycles to work and contribute on that they'd like to
see in the release?

The only change I currently plan is to drop the long dead
sugar-presence-service (it's been 5 years!!) and anything that depends
on it (eToys I'm looking at you!) as I think over 5 years to port away
from it is well and truly enough!

Peter

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule
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Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar and python-dateutil in Fedora 22

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:15 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 02:43:10AM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
 The sugar toolkit (for both gtk2 and gtk3) uses python-dateutil and
 they're rebasing it from 1.5 to 2.x, would it be possible for someone
 to review to see if there's any changes needed in the code please?

 Checked on Fedora 20, no issues seen.

 Method #1, install package python-dateutil-2.2-1.fc22.noarch.rpm,
 restart Sugar, test Sugar desktop functions, test my settings, test
 journal, test several activities.

 Method #2, static analysis; the only use in sugar-toolkit-gtk{,3} is
 in a private function _extract_modification_time in
 src/sugar3/activity/i18n.py which is for PO file revision date
 parsing, and there's no caller of the function in sugar,
 sugar-toolkit-gtk3, or the activity set in my builds, or any of the
 .py files in /usr/lib/.  (It might be removed as unused?)

 Method #3, manual checking of the feature used by the function, with
 two of the revision dates in the Record activity PO files, against 2.x;

Hi James, thanks for the update. So if I read the above correctly
there's only one function that uses it in the toolkits, it works fine
with the new version, but there doesn't appear to be any Activity that
actually uses the function?

Peter
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[Sugar-devel] sugar and python-dateutil in Fedora 22

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

The sugar toolkit (for both gtk2 and gtk3) uses python-dateutil and
they're rebasing it from 1.5 to 2.x, would it be possible for someone
to review to see if there's any changes needed in the code please?

Peter

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1183383
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1183384
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] unstable 0.103.2 release and API, UI and String freeze.

[Peter Robinson]

 On January 16, 2015 at 6:17 AM Martin Abente
 martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello everyone,

 These are the tarballs for the _last_  0.103.x UNSTABLE release, and with
 this release we reach the API, UI and String freeze [1].

-

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.103.2.tar.xz
-

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.103.2.tar.xz
-

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.103.2.tar.xz
-

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.103.2.tar.xz
-

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.103.2.tar.xz


 To help with testing it would be nice if RPMS based on these versions could
 be made available via Fedora's updates-testing repo (or maybe koji) for
 F20-F21.

We've never pushed new major releases of any sort to a stable Fedora
release as there's too much QA and testing required and no one ever
commits to doing it.

On the plus side I've pushed this to rawhide and people can download a
nightly live image from tomorrow and spin it up on either a USB stick
or their favourite virtual platform and have a self contained test
environment and get it all with little effort.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] unstable 0.103.2 release and API, UI and String freeze.

[Peter Robinson]

  To help with testing it would be nice if RPMS based on these versions
  could
  be made available via Fedora's updates-testing repo (or maybe koji) for
  F20-F21.

 We've never pushed new major releases of any sort to a stable Fedora
 release as there's too much QA and testing required and no one ever
 commits to doing it.


 Sorry, but I don't believe updates-testing can be considered stable, that
 is for, you know... testing. I'm not suggesting pushing to updates where
 the packages could be updated without user intervention. One must
 specifically enable the updates-testing repo to receive the new rpms. Guess
 the ball is in sugarlabs' court then.

Sorry, but that just shows you don't understand how updates-testing
works. Packages that go there are designed to end up in stable and
it's a short term area to stage the updates to be tested by
default max 7 days.

 On the plus side I've pushed this to rawhide and people can download a
 nightly live image from tomorrow and spin it up on either a USB stick
 or their favourite virtual platform and have a self contained test
 environment and get it all with little effort.


 I'd rather not download a half gig iso file for testing  5MBs worth of
 sugar code. Pity sugar 0.104 will miss rawhide's branching cutoff for F22
 by 3 days[1][2]. From what I read above there is no hope for 0.104 to be
 part of F22 then.

Errr. no, you're again wrong. According to the F-22 schedule [1]
the final free is 5th May, the features have to be feature complete
by Alpha and given the above release is the feature complete release
we're already there. Sugar 0.104 is due to be stable by Feb 13th which
means we'll have it there before the beta freeze.

Please actually get your facts right about the process before spreading FUD.

Peter

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Modularized Sugar ready computer

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Anybody knows this?

 http://solenotebook.com/blog/

No, but looking at the close up of the mainboard it looks like it's
based on an AllWinner A20 SoC
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Regarding the Sugar Labs Text to Speech feature.

[Peter Robinson]

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 What we need now is implement the same features already implemented with
 espeak:
 * List the voices available.
 * Select the voice
 * Be able to pause/continue/stop the playing.

 Other than that, we would need compare the voices, and maybe implement some
 configuration,
 to be able to select what backend use depending on the language.

 Just as a reference, I am trying to move the code doing text to speech in
 Sugar
 to the toolkit, then we wlll not need implement all this in the activities
 again.

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Text_To_Speech_In_The_Toolkit

What about speech-dispatcher? It's what's used by gnome and others, it
can, I believe, use espeak and other back ends and support python
bindings.

Peter

 On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Nurendra Choudhary
 nurendrachoudhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, we will be using festival in sugar labs for text to speech feature
 from now on.

 On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hola gente, hoy me hice un rato para probar festival en la xo.
 Todo funciona perfecto, los paquetes necesarios están disponibles para
 instalarlos en la xo.

 Cambiar la funcionalidad de espeak por festival en aplicaciones sugar es
 muy sencillo, pero antes es necesario que incluyan en la imagen de sugar los
 siguientes paquetes:

 gstreamer-tools
 festival-speechtools-libs-1.2.96-21.fc18.i686
 festival-lib-1.96-21.fc18.i686
 festvox-slt-artic-hts-0.20061229-21.fc18.noarc
 festival-1.96-21.fc18.i686


 2014-10-07 13:42 GMT-02:00 Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org:

 Good, this is a start.

 We need two things to substitute espeak:
 * We need svox packaged in fedora or rpmfusion
 apparently is not completly free, then can't be included in fedora.
 I wonder why is packaged on Debian.
 Is already in the wish list for rpmusion [1]
 If you are working on Ubuntu, probably is out of your confort zone :),
 but many users of Sugar use the XO computers, and the distribution
 installed is Fedora.
 Maybe you can contact rpmfusion guys to get help moving this issue

 * We need mechanisms to get the same functionality already available on
 espeak,
 off the top of my head:
  * get the list of languages availables
  * get the best language for the selected locale.
  * be able to pause/continue/stop a text played.

 Please subscribe to sugar-devel [2] and continue the conversation there.

 Gonzalo

 [1] http://rpmfusion.org/Wishlist
 [2] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel


 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Nurendra Choudhary
 nurendrachoudhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I implemented a code in python using svoxpico you mentioned earlier for
 text to speech.
 The code can be found here.
 https://github.com/Akirato/sugarlabs-speak-module



 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

 Most of our users don't have connnectivity available full time

 On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Nurendra Choudhary
 nurendrachoudhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is possible on a linux system but network connectivity is
 required. I thought that sugar labs had network connectivity. I will try
 something else.

 with network, the command is $curl -A Mozilla
 http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=enq=hello+world;  
 audio.mp3
 I will try to find the source code.

 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Gonzalo Odiard
 godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 It  is possible use it on a linux system?
 Can be used if you are disconnected?

 Gonzalo



 On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Nurendra Choudhary
 nurendrachoudhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Have you thought about using the Google Text to Speech API. Its
 easily integrable and provides good sounds and also different accents.




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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Physics-26

[Peter Robinson]

Can we have a tar ball release please?

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Sugar Labs Activities
activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Activity Homepage:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4193

 Sugar Platform:
 0.96 - 0.102

 Download Now:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/29054/physics-26.xo

 Release notes:
 26
 * Add missing add_badge code (the toolkit badge code is not yet upstream).

 25

 * Added gallery of sample projects (Ignacio Rodriguez)




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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release TamTam Edit-68

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Hi Peter,

 This is strange:

 https://github.com/godiard/tamtam/blob/master/setup.py#L160

 is adding usr after the prefix?

It seems to be just ignoring any specified prefix and just using /usr
no matter what.

Peter
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