Re: [Sugar-devel] Mailman's admin and archive interfaces are horrible - suggest GroupServer.org
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 09:56:05PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: On 10/17/2010 07:15 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: I'm assuming the infrastructure team are part of this list. We are, sorry for the long reply time. The archives are easily searchable, attached files are converted to links to the server so that people's inboxes are not flooded. Removing inline attachments may break PGP/MIME, (although I haven't checked) and some people consider being able to read a message offline in its entirety a feature. I hope that behavior is configurable. I welcome any feedback. I think that a migration like this will make the mailing lists far more accessible as a knowledge archive. I've been assured that there is a migration path from mailman[4]. From what I know of Dan, its lead developer, it should be fairly easy reliable. I'll take a look at it. For it to be seriously considered, a mailman path would be needed. The linked tweet notwithstanding, I've not seen any documentation on such a migration. You might want to consider sympa too: https://www.sympa.org/ It has strong support for PGP/MIME, and a nice default web interface. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Mailman's admin and archive interfaces are horrible - suggest GroupServer.org
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 04:13:42PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 26.10.2010, at 11:14, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 09:56:05PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: On 10/17/2010 07:15 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: I'm assuming the infrastructure team are part of this list. We are, sorry for the long reply time. The archives are easily searchable, attached files are converted to links to the server so that people's inboxes are not flooded. Removing inline attachments may break PGP/MIME, (although I haven't checked) and some people consider being able to read a message offline in its entirety a feature. I hope that behavior is configurable. I welcome any feedback. I think that a migration like this will make the mailing lists far more accessible as a knowledge archive. I've been assured that there is a migration path from mailman[4]. From what I know of Dan, its lead developer, it should be fairly easy reliable. I'll take a look at it. For it to be seriously considered, a mailman path would be needed. The linked tweet notwithstanding, I've not seen any documentation on such a migration. You might want to consider sympa too: https://www.sympa.org/ It has strong support for PGP/MIME, and a nice default web interface. For easier participation, a system that had a seamless forums interface would be great. Unfortunately I have not found one that works well, yet. Yeah, I think I share your interest here. Years back I was in love with http://pessoal.org/papercut/ but sadly that haven't been maintained. Also, my experimentation with it revealed that webforum users tend to use a different writing style, especially regarding quoting, which makes the marriage a mess for both email and webforum lovers. Sympa provides a seemingly nice web interface, usable also for users (i.e. not only an admin interface), including posting from web (i.e. not only archival). I have not yet played much with sympa myself - have fought with packaging it for Debian for a couple of years, though. The recent 6.x releases seem pretty mature (no longer needs heavy patching which is what consumed much of my packaging time earlier on). - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Mailman's admin and archive interfaces are horrible - suggest GroupServer.org
On 10/17/2010 07:15 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: I'm assuming the infrastructure team are part of this list. We are, sorry for the long reply time. The archives are easily searchable, attached files are converted to links to the server so that people's inboxes are not flooded. Removing inline attachments may break PGP/MIME, (although I haven't checked) and some people consider being able to read a message offline in its entirety a feature. I hope that behavior is configurable. I welcome any feedback. I think that a migration like this will make the mailing lists far more accessible as a knowledge archive. I've been assured that there is a migration path from mailman[4]. From what I know of Dan, its lead developer, it should be fairly easy reliable. I'll take a look at it. For it to be seriously considered, a mailman path would be needed. The linked tweet notwithstanding, I've not seen any documentation on such a migration. -- ╒═╕ │Luke Faraone ╭Debian / Ubuntu Developer╮│ │http://luke.faraone.cc╰Sugar Labs, Systems Admin╯│ │PGP: 5189 2A7D 16D0 49BB 046B DC77 9732 5DD8 F9FD D506 │ ╘═╛ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Mailman's admin and archive interfaces are horrible - suggest GroupServer.org
I'm assuming the infrastructure team are part of this list. I would like to recommend that Sugar Labs considers migrating from mailman to GroupServer as its mailing list system[1]. I've been using GroupServer as a participant for over a year for lots of open government New Zealand activities [1]. I find the system is far superior to mailman and Google Groups lists. The archives are easily searchable, attached files are converted to links to the server so that people's inboxes are not flooded. The middleware seems to deal well with filtering out replied content. The best feature for me is that threaded conversations are together in a single page[3]. I welcome any feedback. I think that a migration like this will make the mailing lists far more accessible as a knowledge archive. I've been assured that there is a migration path from mailman[4]. From what I know of Dan, its lead developer, it should be fairly easy reliable. Tim [1] http://groupserver.org/groupserver/features/ [2] http://groups.open.org.nz/groups/ninja-talk/messages/topics.html [3] http://groups.open.org.nz/groups/ninja-talk/messages/topic/7ppGhESvF5ow9VeMlK1eZy [4] http://twitter.com/danrandow/status/27676366090 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
