Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
I agree with Martin. Having a configurable list of 'core' activities that the UI won't offer 'erase'. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > Yeah, we made easy deleting activities, including Browse, because we > > thought we had made easy enough to update them. > > Yes. And also, because it's very easy to install new activities. > > People patching Sugar to remove 'erase' are changing one problem for > another. When children discover how to install activities, they'll > install *a lot of them* and fill up their storage space (it's happened > a lot in Uruguay). The solution is to show them how to delete them, so > you don't want to disable it :-) > > The right solution may be in having a configurable list of 'core' > activities that the UI won't offer 'erase' for. Browse.xo belongs > there surely. > > cheers, > > > m > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Yeah, we made easy deleting activities, including Browse, because we > thought we had made easy enough to update them. Yes. And also, because it's very easy to install new activities. People patching Sugar to remove 'erase' are changing one problem for another. When children discover how to install activities, they'll install *a lot of them* and fill up their storage space (it's happened a lot in Uruguay). The solution is to show them how to delete them, so you don't want to disable it :-) The right solution may be in having a configurable list of 'core' activities that the UI won't offer 'erase' for. Browse.xo belongs there surely. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 15:51, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/5/4 : >> I basically don't want students to be able to erase any activities. After >> our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of >> laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. > > We see this lots in Paraguay too. > We have solved it here by: > 1. Using a .xo bundle to install /home/olpc/Activities/.groups > pointing to http://schoolserver/activities > see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups > 2. Importing all the activities into the XS activity server > see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS-activity-server > 3. Improving the in-school behaviour of the activity updater > see http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9259 > > Then when the children delete activities, restoring them is just a few > clicks...run the activity updater from the control panel and let it do > it's thing. It is working well so far. Yeah, we made easy deleting activities, including Browse, because we thought we had made easy enough to update them. If that's not the case because of the available infrastructure, we may need to do something else. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
2009/5/4 : > I basically don't want students to be able to erase any activities. After > our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of > laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. We see this lots in Paraguay too. We have solved it here by: 1. Using a .xo bundle to install /home/olpc/Activities/.groups pointing to http://schoolserver/activities see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups 2. Importing all the activities into the XS activity server see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS-activity-server 3. Improving the in-school behaviour of the activity updater see http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9259 Then when the children delete activities, restoring them is just a few clicks...run the activity updater from the control panel and let it do it's thing. It is working well so far. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 06:26, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > nout...@paiwastoon.com.af wrote: >> After >> our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of >> laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. > > I think this is a great example of why we need to make a no-regressions > XO-1 build with 0.84. Among its many new features, 0.84 adds direct file > transfer capability, which means that if you delete an activity, you can > easily have a friend send it to you over the network. and with 0.86, and 0.88, ... ;) I know that Martin Dengler, Chris, Sebastian and Paul are working on some of what is required in their free time, but lots of help is still required. I'm particularly concerned about the kernel bits that aren't upstreamed yet. Also, pushing the mesh stuff into NM upstream should be quite low hanging fruit, anybody is willing to take this task? Sjoerd has a patch that is almost approved by Dan Williams, shouldn't take much finishing this up. In the meantime, if deployers of 0.82 like Paraguay, Uruguay, Afghanistan and Nepal wish to join forces and do a 8.2.2 build with the biggest deficiencies fixed, it may benefit a lot without much fuss being involved. Regards, Tomeu > It is abundantly clear that OLPC is not going to do this work for us. > > - --Ben > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkn+blsACgkQUJT6e6HFtqRWDQCfQP3J5gyNA8KXg3ea2wTb0Ll9 > 4sQAniO2WPqjD6s3UpyB23h/g0RyHQZQ > =1OXc > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Devel mailing list > de...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
Thanks Tomeu for your suggestion. I think that will work for us in the interim and I'll have to investigate how time-consuming is to change the sugar code and build and sign our own image. I basically don't want students to be able to erase any activities. After our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. > This is a recurrent problem. Perhaps we should have an option in the > control panel to enable/disable the showing of the Erase option for > activities or make moving the Erase option a few more clicks away (perhaps > inside the control panel, the activity updater widget/code might be > reusable). > > Basir: is your motivation based on establishing a policy of having some > activities not erased or because users accidentally remove activities > every once in a while (as we have experienced frequently in our deployment > in Paraguay) ? > > > > > On Dom, 3 de Mayo de 2009, 6:01 am, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> [adding sugar-devel to cc] >> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:32, wrote: >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> I am new to the whole OLPC thing so please bear with me. We are using >>> the >>> standard build to install XOs and then use shell scripts for the >>> localization and to make small changes. >>> >>> I need to remove the 'Erase' option from the right click menu (when you >>> right click on an activity icon). Is there anyway that this can be done >>> without modifying the sugar source code and creating a new build? >> >> Hi Basir, >> >> I don't see a way to remove the palette option without changing the >> Sugar code, but if you change the file permissions so that the user >> 'olpc' cannot remove the activity directory, the erasing operation >> will fail and the activity will remain installed. Note that this will >> cause activity updates to fail, in case that's an issue for you. >> >> "sudo chown root.root -R ~/Activities/Write.activity" >> >> This command will make that Write is not erasable from the Sugar >> palette. >> >> Please note that the most appropriate forum to direct these questions >> is sugar-devel: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel . >> >> HTH, >> >> Tomeu >> >>> Thanks >>> Basir >>> >>> ___ >>> Devel mailing list >>> de...@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > > --- > Ra�l Guti�rrez Segal�s > +595 981 231 839 > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 nout...@paiwastoon.com.af wrote: > After > our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of > laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. I think this is a great example of why we need to make a no-regressions XO-1 build with 0.84. Among its many new features, 0.84 adds direct file transfer capability, which means that if you delete an activity, you can easily have a friend send it to you over the network. It is abundantly clear that OLPC is not going to do this work for us. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn+blsACgkQUJT6e6HFtqRWDQCfQP3J5gyNA8KXg3ea2wTb0Ll9 4sQAniO2WPqjD6s3UpyB23h/g0RyHQZQ =1OXc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
On 3 May 2009, at 13:59, Raúl Gutiérrez Segalés wrote: > This is a recurrent problem. Perhaps we should have an option in the > control panel to enable/disable the showing of the Erase option for > activities or make moving the Erase option a few more clicks away > (perhaps > inside the control panel, the activity updater widget/code might be > reusable). For what it's worth; there has been some Sugar 0.86 design talk about moving activity management out of the favourites home view and into the Journal with a goal of having all activities installed and available there as bundles for Journal management (and potentially for modification and even versioning). The home list view may keep some management features, but I doubt it's a good place, as there are reports that home list view is too similar to a Journal view and activity bundles are being erased accidently there as well. Regards, --Gary > Basir: is your motivation based on establishing a policy of having > some > activities not erased or because users accidentally remove activities > every once in a while (as we have experienced frequently in our > deployment > in Paraguay) ? > > > > > On Dom, 3 de Mayo de 2009, 6:01 am, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> [adding sugar-devel to cc] >> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:32, wrote: >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> I am new to the whole OLPC thing so please bear with me. We are >>> using >>> the >>> standard build to install XOs and then use shell scripts for the >>> localization and to make small changes. >>> >>> I need to remove the 'Erase' option from the right click menu >>> (when you >>> right click on an activity icon). Is there anyway that this can be >>> done >>> without modifying the sugar source code and creating a new build? >> >> Hi Basir, >> >> I don't see a way to remove the palette option without changing the >> Sugar code, but if you change the file permissions so that the user >> 'olpc' cannot remove the activity directory, the erasing operation >> will fail and the activity will remain installed. Note that this will >> cause activity updates to fail, in case that's an issue for you. >> >> "sudo chown root.root -R ~/Activities/Write.activity" >> >> This command will make that Write is not erasable from the Sugar >> palette. >> >> Please note that the most appropriate forum to direct these questions >> is sugar-devel: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel . >> >> HTH, >> >> Tomeu >> >>> Thanks >>> Basir >>> >>> ___ >>> Devel mailing list >>> de...@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > > --- > Raúl Gutiérrez Segalés > +595 981 231 839 > > ___ > Devel mailing list > de...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
This is a recurrent problem. Perhaps we should have an option in the control panel to enable/disable the showing of the Erase option for activities or make moving the Erase option a few more clicks away (perhaps inside the control panel, the activity updater widget/code might be reusable). Basir: is your motivation based on establishing a policy of having some activities not erased or because users accidentally remove activities every once in a while (as we have experienced frequently in our deployment in Paraguay) ? On Dom, 3 de Mayo de 2009, 6:01 am, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > [adding sugar-devel to cc] > > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:32, wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> I am new to the whole OLPC thing so please bear with me. We are using >> the >> standard build to install XOs and then use shell scripts for the >> localization and to make small changes. >> >> I need to remove the 'Erase' option from the right click menu (when you >> right click on an activity icon). Is there anyway that this can be done >> without modifying the sugar source code and creating a new build? > > Hi Basir, > > I don't see a way to remove the palette option without changing the > Sugar code, but if you change the file permissions so that the user > 'olpc' cannot remove the activity directory, the erasing operation > will fail and the activity will remain installed. Note that this will > cause activity updates to fail, in case that's an issue for you. > > "sudo chown root.root -R ~/Activities/Write.activity" > > This command will make that Write is not erasable from the Sugar palette. > > Please note that the most appropriate forum to direct these questions > is sugar-devel: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel . > > HTH, > > Tomeu > >> Thanks >> Basir >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> de...@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > --- Raúl Gutiérrez Segalés +595 981 231 839 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
[adding sugar-devel to cc] On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:32, wrote: > Greetings all, > > I am new to the whole OLPC thing so please bear with me. We are using the > standard build to install XOs and then use shell scripts for the > localization and to make small changes. > > I need to remove the 'Erase' option from the right click menu (when you > right click on an activity icon). Is there anyway that this can be done > without modifying the sugar source code and creating a new build? Hi Basir, I don't see a way to remove the palette option without changing the Sugar code, but if you change the file permissions so that the user 'olpc' cannot remove the activity directory, the erasing operation will fail and the activity will remain installed. Note that this will cause activity updates to fail, in case that's an issue for you. "sudo chown root.root -R ~/Activities/Write.activity" This command will make that Write is not erasable from the Sugar palette. Please note that the most appropriate forum to direct these questions is sugar-devel: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel . HTH, Tomeu > Thanks > Basir > > ___ > Devel mailing list > de...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
