Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:39:08PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: This note is only tangentially a response to Peter Robinson's... Here's my thought process... [meta: it's hard to know to what email are you replying or to what topic you're speaking] I ... don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:39:08PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: This note is only tangentially a response to Peter Robinson's... Here's my thought process... [meta: it's hard to know to what email are you replying

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-17 Thread Douglas McClendon
Bill Bogstad wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Douglas McClendon dmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: Bill Bogstad wrote: ... I also don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB to any distribution. My impression is that both LiveCD and LiveUSB Linux distributions are essentially

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com: Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an official answer on this. Soon. Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution? Isn't there a wider question first?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 16:24, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas: Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an official answer on this. Soon. Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Philippe Clérié
Isn't there a wider question first? the one that asks if Sugar Labs is actually interested in being a distributor rather than just an upstream. Sugar Labs needs to be a distributor because: 1) You need a product to market. The comparison with Gnome does not hold. There have always been

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Peter Robinson
2009/9/16 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: Isn't there a wider question first? the one that asks if Sugar Labs is actually interested in being a distributor rather than just an upstream. Sugar Labs needs to be a distributor because: I disagree. 1) You need a product to market. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Bill Bogstad
This note is only tangentially a response to Peter Robinson's... Here's my thought process... Computer technology can improve education for children. Collaboration (i.e. Sugar) and free software (i.e. Linux) is the best way to make this happen. The question is how do we get educators/schools

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Peter Robinson wrote: 2009/9/16 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: 1) You need a product to market. The comparison with Gnome does not hold. There have always been distributions that made Gnome their official desktop environment, even very early on. That is not the case for Sugar. Whether in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
It is now possible to install Sugar-Desktop ONLY to a Hard disk using the F11 net install .iso. It is no longer required to have Gnome or KDE as a companion desktop. So we do have a Sugar-Desktop distribution already in F11. Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Peter Robinson wrote: 2009/9/16

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Philippe Clérié
First, by secondary, I did not mean to imply second class. I use KDE on both Ubuntu and Fedora. And I know they are not in anyway second class citizens on either distribution. In this case, secondary meant alternate, other, whatever is not the default. I apologize if I wasn't clear. It seems

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
I admit to having some difficulties understanding why you would want to keep Sugar as an upstream only.  Perhaps the arguments have already been made. I'm a late comer to the list so I am certainly unaware of what's been discussed prior to my joining in July. If so could someone please give me

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Douglas McClendon
Bill Bogstad wrote: This note is only tangentially a response to Peter Robinson's... Here's my thought process... Computer technology can improve education for children. Collaboration (i.e. Sugar) and free software (i.e. Linux) is the best way to make this happen. The question is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Douglas McClendon dmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: Bill Bogstad wrote: ... I also don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB to any distribution. My impression is that both LiveCD and LiveUSB Linux distributions are essentially gimmicks for all of them. I