Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Sean DALY wrote: > Sebastian, what's your take? Can we "retire" SoaS-{1,2,3} or fold them > into the public v1, v2 numbers? Okay, let me shed some light in here, though I think this has already been discussed in length. In the early days when I started working on SoaS, we still had internal bui

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > > As long as no one (including developers) is confused that "SoaS > > release 1( Strawberry)" alias "SoaS-2" is running Sugar v0.84 and > > Fedora 11. > > > > I'm just wondering why "SoaS-2" is in use... non-initiates will assume > > that means

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:17:42AM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: > [non-release-naming issue] Please take this to the mailing list to which it belongs: sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org. > Bill Bogstad Martin pgpnUhR2RRAF1.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > As long as no one (including developers) is confused that "SoaS > release 1( Strawberry)" alias "SoaS-2" is running Sugar v0.84 and > Fedora 11. > > I'm just wondering why "SoaS-2" is in use... non-initiates will assume > that means SoaS release

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 04:27:29PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > As long as no one (including developers) is confused that "SoaS > release 1( Strawberry)" alias "SoaS-2" is running Sugar v0.84 and > Fedora 11. We've agreed the Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Name to be "Blueberry", and nobody's objected t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Sean DALY
As long as no one (including developers) is confused that "SoaS release 1( Strawberry)" alias "SoaS-2" is running Sugar v0.84 and Fedora 11. I'm just wondering why "SoaS-2" is in use... non-initiates will assume that means SoaS release 2 (Blueberry), don't you think? thanks Sean On Mon, Sep 14

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:20:43PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: > I've been watching this thread since it began and understand that from > a marketing perspective numbers are 'ugly'. Numbers are for the developers, ice cream flavours are for the press / GUI users, as I understand it. > On the other

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:18:55PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > Bill - I completely agree our numbering systems are byzantine and > difficult to grasp... there is the Sugar version number, the Fedora > version number, the OLPC-OS version number and the XO build number. The numbering is for developers

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Peter Robinson
> However internally we had been using Soas-1 and SoaS-2, if I'm not > mistaken to refer to the underlying Fedora distro (10 and 11 > respectively). It's true that these numbers (or an SoaS-3 if it > exists) will be confusing compared to the "public" version number. I believe SoaS-1 (strawberry) w

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Sean DALY
Bill - I completely agree our numbering systems are byzantine and difficult to grasp... there is the Sugar version number, the Fedora version number, the OLPC-OS version number and the XO build number. Our marketing strategy is to push Sugar on a Stick, so to simplify that we picked the next relea

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Sean DALY
Great thanks Gary! Sean On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 12 Sep 2009, at 21:40, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > >> Martin Dengler wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitat

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-12 Thread Gary C Martin
On 12 Sep 2009, at 21:40, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Martin Dengler wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: >>> re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to >>> do a >>> classroom for Fedora. >> >> Congratulations. >> >>> re logos: Strawberry=6,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-12 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Martin Dengler wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: >> re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a >> classroom for Fedora. > > Congratulations. > >> re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time > > Very clear - thanks

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-11 Thread Bill Bogstad
I've been watching this thread since it began and understand that from a marketing perspective numbers are 'ugly'. On the other hand, everyone seems to acknowledge that numbers make it easier to track things from a development and deployment support perspective. Obviously, that works best if the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a > classroom for Fedora. Congratulations. > re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time Very clear - thanks. > [Have we agreed on Blueberry

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Sean DALY
thanks Martin in fact I often worry about talking too much during the marketing meetings, others not getting a word in. I'd be delighted if nonmarketing Sugar Labs team members lurked or participated, although I have clear ideas about how to work on marketing puzzles I'll never claim to have all t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: >> I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering > > You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard > to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a directory...so I was hoping that you would just say "yes" or

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Sean DALY
I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering No, there wasn't "marketing decided", it was Tomeu who thought of flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit since "natural" wholesome sugars, a "fun treat for kids"), and sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:56:25PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > >> In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this > >> on-list... I will try to find the thre

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Sean DALY
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-June/001546.html found it, was during a (sometimes heated) discussion concerning Sugar vs. Sugar on a Stick, SoaS referring only to the Fedora distro or not, and some other topics :-) basically, a reread of the marketing meetings in June (and the l

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this > on-list... I will try to find the thread. Please let me know. I did google for 'sugar "ice cream" soas' before I said I couldn't find anything besides the IRC meetin

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:42:07PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: >> >>> I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). >> If it's ice cream flavors, Vanilla and Chocolate are universal... > > I guess I was assuming that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Sean DALY
In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. The idea is to maximize launch impact by keeping the element of surprise on our side. This is also why the ice-cream shop doesn't announce their summer specials in advance - people like t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:42:07PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: > >> I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). > If it's ice cream flavors, Vanilla and Chocolate are universal... I guess I was assuming that there needs to be a tie-in between the colour of the flavour a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:04:33PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: > > Thank you, I love this naming concept with fruit names. I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). > yet a couple snags I see, No blueberries (arandanos) I ever saw in > South/Cental America... (very

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:10:40PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > Hi Martin > > The idea is ice cream flavors Ok. I hadn't picked up on this, despite being in the meeting when it was mentioned[1]. I suspect others may not have, either. > and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters ma

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Sean DALY
Hi Martin The idea is ice cream flavors and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters made in both the Strawberry and Blueberry colors, keeping them current for at least a couple of years (considering their cost). However, as stated previously it hasn't been our plan to name SoaS rel