Re: [Sugar-devel] Introduction and question about introducing Sugar development
(I guess I forgot to change cc list) On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:29:16PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On 07/08/09 22:45, Steve Dalton wrote: > > I started having a look at the speak app - this is perhaps something I > > could maintain. > > Sure. alsroot is listed as the current maintainer, but he's already got > plenty of activities to maintain so I guess he'll be glad to let you > take Speak over or, even better, co-maintain Speak with you. sure, ask Joshua(Cc'ed) to add you to git.sl.o/speak commiters list > > I've also been having a good look around gitorious and found this: > > > > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/listen-spell-new > > > > Which looks like the speak-and-spell type applicaton that you talked > > about. I believe this is a fork of listen-spell which was a Google > > Summer of Code project last year. > > There's no code in git, however. I'm cc'ing "chiragjain1989" in case he > can tell us more. I guess its the same project > > I think it's quite fitting that there is a speak and spell app for the > > XO... the XOs remind me a lot of the speak and spell units (it's the > > moulded plastic). ET phone home? Maybe we also need a SETI app :P > > lol ;-) > > Please, also keep the sugar-devel@ mailing list on cc for this kind of > communication, so others can jump in with their ideas and suggestions. > > -- >// Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ > -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Introduction and question about introducing Sugar development
Thanks Bernie & David Great pointers I'll check them all out. Yep - I'm on OLPCFriends and I knew about the Adelaide guys - I think they've done a deployments recently - I'll get in touch with them. Regards Steve On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:53 +1000, Steve Dalton wrote: > > Just went on IRC channel - but no-one around - so I'll try here. > > The #sugar channel is usually very active. > > This weekend, most Sugar Labbers are in Berlin for the LinuxTag & > FUDCon, and anyway it was night in Europe and US when you posted this. > > > > Steve Dalton here from Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. I'm an > > experienced developer - mainly C/C++/Java/Groovy - but also dabble > > with Ruby/Python, just starting out playing with Sugar development > > As you learn your way through Sugar, please let us know what was hard to > discover or unclear in our documentation, development process or code. > > We need to find out what makes it hard for newcomers to get started to > lower the bar as much as possible. We go around saying that young kids > will one day become contributors, so there's a lot of work to do in this > area. > > If sugar-jhbuild defeats you, try my "streamlined" clone. I believe it > makes things faster and easier, but it's been tested lightly on distros > other than Fedora 11. > > > > I was kindly donated 5 XOs a while back and I have been trying to get > > a bit of a local OLPC developers group started here in QLD. Have young > > kids and my (almost) 4 year old is already getting stuck into Sugar > > and working things out which makes me think you guys are onto > > something really awesome - I'd love to help in some way. > > Also let us know what parts of the UI work well and which ones don't for > kids that young. > > > > Anyway - one way I think I might be able to stimulate some local > > activity is by doing some sort of live demo on developing with Sugar. > > I was hoping to demo something at Barcamp Brisbane next month and > > possibly something at the OSDC (Open Source Developers Conference) in > > Brisbane later this year if it works. I have made one of my paper > > submission for OSDC a Sugar one but It's sitting in my drafts folder > > until I can be sure I have something that has half a chance of working > > out (I like jumping in at the deep-end but don't want to make a > > complete fool of myself). > > > Are you aware of the OLPC friends local community in Oz? > > http://www.olpcfriends.org/ > > > My good friend Joel Stanley from Adelaide (also on this list) was > planning to start a Local Lab some time ago. You should get in contact > with him as well. > > > > Does anyone have any good suggestions on what to do? I've done the > > Hello world demo and had a look at some of the activities already > > developed... but was hoping to do something a little more interesting > > with some "cool" value to get people interested. Are there any canned > > demos or tutorials around that anyone can recommend? Might give me > > some ideas. > > Many others can give you better advice than me on the current status of > development, but my feeling is that we need to involve more people on > enhancing existing activities rather than start new ones. > > >From your skill profile, you seem suitable for working on Browse, which > is xulrunner C++ code wrapped in a Python UI. Caution: it's non-trivial > code, certainly not recommended for beginners. > > Since you have pre-school kids, you might want to work on enhancing > Speak. It's currently unmaintained, but very simple and cool IMHO... > Wouldn't it be awesome if someone grew it into a Speak & Spell activity? > > > > Many thanks in advance > > Thanks to *you* for helping! > > -- > // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ > > > -- I did have a signature, but the dog ate it. google:steve.dalton | skype:spidieman | msn: m...@steve.dalts.net | yahoo:daltonsp | aol: spidie100 | twitter: @spidie | mynetfone:09203861 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Introduction and question about introducing Sugar development
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:53 +1000, Steve Dalton wrote: > Just went on IRC channel - but no-one around - so I'll try here. The #sugar channel is usually very active. This weekend, most Sugar Labbers are in Berlin for the LinuxTag & FUDCon, and anyway it was night in Europe and US when you posted this. > Steve Dalton here from Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. I'm an > experienced developer - mainly C/C++/Java/Groovy - but also dabble > with Ruby/Python, just starting out playing with Sugar development As you learn your way through Sugar, please let us know what was hard to discover or unclear in our documentation, development process or code. We need to find out what makes it hard for newcomers to get started to lower the bar as much as possible. We go around saying that young kids will one day become contributors, so there's a lot of work to do in this area. If sugar-jhbuild defeats you, try my "streamlined" clone. I believe it makes things faster and easier, but it's been tested lightly on distros other than Fedora 11. > I was kindly donated 5 XOs a while back and I have been trying to get > a bit of a local OLPC developers group started here in QLD. Have young > kids and my (almost) 4 year old is already getting stuck into Sugar > and working things out which makes me think you guys are onto > something really awesome - I'd love to help in some way. Also let us know what parts of the UI work well and which ones don't for kids that young. > Anyway - one way I think I might be able to stimulate some local > activity is by doing some sort of live demo on developing with Sugar. > I was hoping to demo something at Barcamp Brisbane next month and > possibly something at the OSDC (Open Source Developers Conference) in > Brisbane later this year if it works. I have made one of my paper > submission for OSDC a Sugar one but It's sitting in my drafts folder > until I can be sure I have something that has half a chance of working > out (I like jumping in at the deep-end but don't want to make a > complete fool of myself). Are you aware of the OLPC friends local community in Oz? http://www.olpcfriends.org/ My good friend Joel Stanley from Adelaide (also on this list) was planning to start a Local Lab some time ago. You should get in contact with him as well. > Does anyone have any good suggestions on what to do? I've done the > Hello world demo and had a look at some of the activities already > developed... but was hoping to do something a little more interesting > with some "cool" value to get people interested. Are there any canned > demos or tutorials around that anyone can recommend? Might give me > some ideas. Many others can give you better advice than me on the current status of development, but my feeling is that we need to involve more people on enhancing existing activities rather than start new ones. >From your skill profile, you seem suitable for working on Browse, which is xulrunner C++ code wrapped in a Python UI. Caution: it's non-trivial code, certainly not recommended for beginners. Since you have pre-school kids, you might want to work on enhancing Speak. It's currently unmaintained, but very simple and cool IMHO... Wouldn't it be awesome if someone grew it into a Speak & Spell activity? > Many thanks in advance Thanks to *you* for helping! -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Introduction and question about introducing Sugar development
Thanks Tomeu Yeah - I'm already thinking a little about the way he uses it - and maybe something for the preschoolers (I know it's target is 6-12 but some kids are quite adept). By the time I get around to something he'll have probably outgrown it - but hopefully my baby daughter will be at Beta tester stage by then ;) I'm still unsure on what to do about a presentation though... have to have a good think about it tomorrow and do a bit more research. Closing date for submission of talk summary is 30th - so might have to just leave it if I have nothing concrete. Regards Steve On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > 2009/6/26 Steve Dalton : > > Hi All > > > > Just went on IRC channel - but no-one around - so I'll try here. > > > > Steve Dalton here from Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. I'm an > experienced developer - mainly C/C++/Java/Groovy - but also dabble with > Ruby/Python, just starting out playing with Sugar development > > > > I was kindly donated 5 XOs a while back and I have been trying to get a > bit of a local OLPC developers group started here in QLD. Have young kids > and my (almost) 4 year old is already getting stuck into Sugar and working > things out which makes me think you guys are onto something really awesome - > I'd love to help in some way. > > > > Anyway - one way I think I might be able to stimulate some local activity > is by doing some sort of live demo on developing with Sugar. I was hoping to > demo something at Barcamp Brisbane next month and possibly something at the > OSDC (Open Source Developers Conference) in Brisbane later this year if it > works. I have made one of my paper submission for OSDC a Sugar one but It's > sitting in my drafts folder until I can be sure I have something that has > half a chance of working out (I like jumping in at the deep-end but don't > want to make a complete fool of myself). > > > > Does anyone have any good suggestions on what to do? I've done the Hello > world demo and had a look at some of the activities already developed... but > was hoping to do something a little more interesting with some "cool" value > to get people interested. Are there any canned demos or tutorials around > that anyone can recommend? Might give me some ideas. > > Not that I know, though my recommendation would be to check out how > your kid is using Sugar and think of how the learning experience could > be improved. Most experienced developers will be happier to help if > it's something that addresses a real need than if it's something done > out of pure curiosity. > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > Many thanks in advance > > Steve > > > > -- > > I did have a signature, but the dog ate it. > > > > google:steve.dalton | skype:spidieman | msn: m...@steve.dalts.net | > yahoo:daltonsp | aol: spidie100 | twitter: @spidie | mynetfone:09203861 > > > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > -- I did have a signature, but the dog ate it. google:steve.dalton | skype:spidieman | msn: m...@steve.dalts.net | yahoo:daltonsp | aol: spidie100 | twitter: @spidie | mynetfone:09203861 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Introduction and question about introducing Sugar development
2009/6/26 Steve Dalton : > Hi All > > Just went on IRC channel - but no-one around - so I'll try here. > > Steve Dalton here from Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. I'm an experienced > developer - mainly C/C++/Java/Groovy - but also dabble with Ruby/Python, just > starting out playing with Sugar development > > I was kindly donated 5 XOs a while back and I have been trying to get a bit > of a local OLPC developers group started here in QLD. Have young kids and my > (almost) 4 year old is already getting stuck into Sugar and working things > out which makes me think you guys are onto something really awesome - I'd > love to help in some way. > > Anyway - one way I think I might be able to stimulate some local activity is > by doing some sort of live demo on developing with Sugar. I was hoping to > demo something at Barcamp Brisbane next month and possibly something at the > OSDC (Open Source Developers Conference) in Brisbane later this year if it > works. I have made one of my paper submission for OSDC a Sugar one but It's > sitting in my drafts folder until I can be sure I have something that has > half a chance of working out (I like jumping in at the deep-end but don't > want to make a complete fool of myself). > > Does anyone have any good suggestions on what to do? I've done the Hello > world demo and had a look at some of the activities already developed... but > was hoping to do something a little more interesting with some "cool" value > to get people interested. Are there any canned demos or tutorials around that > anyone can recommend? Might give me some ideas. Not that I know, though my recommendation would be to check out how your kid is using Sugar and think of how the learning experience could be improved. Most experienced developers will be happier to help if it's something that addresses a real need than if it's something done out of pure curiosity. Regards, Tomeu > Many thanks in advance > Steve > > -- > I did have a signature, but the dog ate it. > > google:steve.dalton | skype:spidieman | msn: m...@steve.dalts.net | > yahoo:daltonsp | aol: spidie100 | twitter: @spidie | mynetfone:09203861 > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Introduction and question about introducing Sugar development
Hi All Just went on IRC channel - but no-one around - so I'll try here. Steve Dalton here from Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. I'm an experienced developer - mainly C/C++/Java/Groovy - but also dabble with Ruby/Python, just starting out playing with Sugar development I was kindly donated 5 XOs a while back and I have been trying to get a bit of a local OLPC developers group started here in QLD. Have young kids and my (almost) 4 year old is already getting stuck into Sugar and working things out which makes me think you guys are onto something really awesome - I'd love to help in some way. Anyway - one way I think I might be able to stimulate some local activity is by doing some sort of live demo on developing with Sugar. I was hoping to demo something at Barcamp Brisbane next month and possibly something at the OSDC (Open Source Developers Conference) in Brisbane later this year if it works. I have made one of my paper submission for OSDC a Sugar one but It's sitting in my drafts folder until I can be sure I have something that has half a chance of working out (I like jumping in at the deep-end but don't want to make a complete fool of myself). Does anyone have any good suggestions on what to do? I've done the Hello world demo and had a look at some of the activities already developed... but was hoping to do something a little more interesting with some "cool" value to get people interested. Are there any canned demos or tutorials around that anyone can recommend? Might give me some ideas. Many thanks in advance Steve -- I did have a signature, but the dog ate it. google:steve.dalton | skype:spidieman | msn: m...@steve.dalts.net | yahoo:daltonsp | aol: spidie100 | twitter: @spidie | mynetfone:09203861 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
