Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 23:50 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: By having distinct packages built separately for each distribution by experts. This is incompatible with our (or at least my) goal of allowing users to throw packages around as atomic objects, without internet access and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:03:37AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: Ok - then the situation is this, then: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ASugar_on_a_Stickdiff=37874oldid=37820 It looks like the SoaS team is unblocked I don't see how the SoaS team was ever blocked on the things that

[Sugar-devel] [Karma] total file size of dependencies for dojox.gfx

2009-09-22 Thread Bryan Berry
These are the dependencies I had for a basic demo of dojox.gfx 84K dojo/dojo.js 12K dojox/gfx.js 16K dojox/gfx/svg.js 12K dojox/gfx/shape.js 8.0Kdojox/gfx/path.js 132Ktotal to use the entire library, it should be about 190kb and this is excluding the silverlight, canvas,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 07:35:25AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: This is a convincing demonstration of the utter failure in decision-making. This is overly harsh, sorry. Martin pgpwsJuO6ML8E.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Debian-olpc-devel] [IAEP] Glucose 0.84 and 0.85 packaged for Debian!

2009-09-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:17:09AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 07:30:07PM -0500, David Farning wrote: A couple of months ago your packaging systems was pretty new and confusing.  Yesterday I

[Sugar-devel] Namespace for 0.84 updates to Browse and Chat?

2009-09-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi, As I understand it, Sugarlabs wants to keep things simple for users by only using the equivalent of major numbers when versioning Activities. I am wondering, however, what version numbers can be expected for potential future bugfix releases of Browse and Chat targeted 0.84, as it seems

[Sugar-devel] [Karma] comparing dojo.gfx and raphaeljs

2009-09-22 Thread Bryan Berry
Subzero, Here is an interesting article comparing the two: http://www.lrbabe.com/?p=217 The author makes some points: * the libraries have about equivalent functionality * dojox.gfx is about twice the size as raphaeljs * Animation isn't in dojox.gfx but another module, fx I think I read

[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.86 - Hard Code Freeze

2009-09-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
Dear Sugar community, with September 21 the hard code freeze [1] is in effect [2]. No source code changes can be made without approval from the release team. Translation and documentation can continue. The Hard Code freeze will end September the 24th. Other freezes remain in effect for

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-22 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I think the .xo activities must be noarch only. These can be modified by teachers and kids, shared, you can view-source etc. The .xo can require the binary dependencies using PackageKit. Now we have one hundred activities based in GCompris and avery one must add the binaries and the activities

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Why would we care to have concurrent versions of the same activity for different user accounts?  Our computing model is inherently single-user. LTSP.  NFS with shared clients.  Our

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Why would we care to have concurrent versions of the same activity for different user accounts? Our computing model is inherently single-user. LTSP. NFS with

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Your message to Sugar-devel awaits moderator approval

2009-09-22 Thread Peter Robinson
BTW Could whoever had access to the mailing list management fix up the reply to option. The way the list builds the reply to fields is ridiculous! Peter -- Forwarded message -- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org Date: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:48 PM Subject: Your

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Your message to Sugar-devel awaits moderator approval

2009-09-22 Thread Luke Faraone
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:03, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: BTW Could whoever had access to the mailing list management fix up the reply to option. The way the list builds the reply to fields is ridiculous! What would you recommend? We try to use the principle of least

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Your message to Sugar-devel awaits moderator approval

2009-09-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:03, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: BTW Could whoever had access to the mailing list management fix up the reply to option. The way the list builds the reply to fields is ridiculous!

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Your message to Sugar-devel awaits moderator approval

2009-09-22 Thread Luke Faraone
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:19, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I think most mailing lists (at least the ones I'm subscribed to) set the reply to header as that of the mailing list so by default the reply goes to the list. This breaks multi-list communication and cross-posting, as

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Your message to Sugar-devel awaits moderator approval

2009-09-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:19, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I think most mailing lists (at least the ones I'm subscribed to) set the reply to header as that of the mailing list so by default the reply goes to

[Sugar-devel] hard code freeze exceptions

2009-09-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, we have these tickets in the review queue currently marked for 0.86: #1339 After download, 'Show in Journal' option doesnt switch you to the Journal #1342 range queries use lexical comparison, not numerical #1410 Progress bar for reading volumes appears only once #1412 Progress bar

Re: [Sugar-devel] hard code freeze exceptions

2009-09-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 04:54:44PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: #1342 range queries use lexical comparison, not numerical This can wait for 0.86.1 as it only occurs for entries that have a timestamp before ~2002 or after ~2032. We might even decide to move it to 0.88. #1404

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-22 Thread Gary C Martin
I'm trying to stay out of this massive time sink hole, but I couldn't let this one float by. On 22 Sep 2009, at 07:14, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Last, but certainly not least, * Activity sharing is not even implemented, yet! We'll think about these esoteric scenarios when they come... if

Re: [Sugar-devel] hard code freeze exceptions

2009-09-22 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 04:54:44PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, we have these tickets in the review queue currently marked for 0.86: #1339 After download, 'Show in Journal' option doesnt switch you to the Journal #1342 range queries use lexical comparison, not numerical #1410 Progress

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-22 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:03:37AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: Sebastien's original question[2] is unanswered perhaps because it's been deemed maybe-already-answered[3] or peripheral To the contrary, it seems to me

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-22 Thread Samuel Klein
I volunteer. I don't have a strong opinion yet, but am interested in the future of SoaS. When I give talks about OLPC and Sugar, there are almost always audience members who have used it. SJ On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi all, Sebastian Dziallas has

[Sugar-devel] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 7

2009-09-22 Thread Steven M. Parrish
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/XO-1/builds/OS7 This release includes and custom Fedora-olpc-release which enables the updates-testing repo by default. This repo is used in the creation of these builds so it makes sense to enable it by default. Also

[Sugar-devel] [Karma] Great intro video to html5

2009-09-22 Thread Bryan Berry
http://vimeo.com/6691519 really, the best intro to html5 and related technologies that I have come across -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Testing] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 7

2009-09-22 Thread Jerome Gotangco
Thanks for this! I've tried it on an XO-1 and it updates fine. NM also works and connects to a wifi ap properly. I just noticed some things: 1. Panel has an email launcher but there is no associated email application for it. 2. Cheese doesn't recognize the webcam at all. 3. Buttons from dialog

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-22 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Mel Chua wrote: There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick By my count, there are 4 things we need to