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I've used vncserver for this quite often now (it is documented in the
wiki; please see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display#Second_method:_Cloning_the_current_Sugar_session).
The problems I have encountered are:
(1) The machine running vncviewer must be able to see the same network
that the
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thanks. it was the latter step (SSH keys) that I had forgotten.
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I cannot recall how to force Sugar to prompt for the name and colors
at startup as if from a clean build. I need
While in the abstract, Yoshiki has a great idea, I see three problems:
(1) Especially for young children who are just beginning to read and
write, imposing Python and its syntax on them is to high of a hurdle
for accessing a calculator;
(2) While I love Pippy, it has a long ways to go towards
A similar use case would be for the upload file dialog in Browse. In
this case all entries that have an associated file should be presented
to the user. The user should be able to search, filter and sort just
like in the journal in order to find the entry that will be uploaded.
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the features that
didn't make it into Killjoy.
(See https://dev.laptop.org/roadmap for more info.)
As we do the triage for these builds, we'd very much appreciate
community feedback as to what you think is important. Feel free to
send email to Walter Bender, Kim Quirk, or Jim Gettys in regard
for zoom in and zoom out, full-screen, and and to hide or show
the tray. Key bindings for zoom in (CTRL+) and zoom out (CTRL–) have
been added as well. Walter Bender and Eben Eliason made a new activity
as a derivative of the browser that launches Gmail directly from the
taskbar. Other Google Apps
/Activity_Testing_Project).
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will have no new features but will contain the latest
wireless mesh
firmware and drivers.
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phones, and other recording devices, children will
record, in their native languages, the stories of elders, family
members and friends. These stories will be shared globally through the
Our Stories website (See http://www.ourstories.org/), where they can
be found on a Google Map.
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/Support and
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_FAQ, which is a good launching point
for FAQs, as well as community-supported email, portals, and IRC. He
also set up [EMAIL PROTECTED] and has begun the task of answering many
emails.
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character being the first thing interpreted after where an s was
expected.
Any ideas on where we're doing something wrong? Thanks.
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only in the sugar desktop and the activities but
not on tty. It looks nice, but I could not read anything.
Is it a known problem?
yokoy
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, xkb files and keyboard package maintenance. With
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Together with Walter Bender, they make some final touches to the
Devanagari and Armenian keyboards and made much progress on the Nepali
keyboard layout. (In regard to the latter, we
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Nagasaki Macintosh User Group Monthly Meeting (supported by Apple,
Japan) Feb. 23, 2008, at Nagasaki International University, Nagasaki
These activities are supported continually by Mr. Abe, Squeakland.jp
and other OLPC Japanese volunteer members.
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1. UA Birmingham: Walter Bender met with the dean of the school of
education at the University of Alabama. He and his colleagues are
enthusiastic about the laptop program in the Birmingham schools and
plan to engage at every level
week in Peru... seems a good target.
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the NYC public schools to discuss issues of connectivity and security
in regard to a pending pilot. John Watlington and Martin Langhoff will
make a follow-up visit this coming week. Walter also had a follow-up
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the test before filing a bug.
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such as the XO.
17. Develop: Jameson Chema Quinn has been working on the Develop
activity. He has posted the latest version on the wiki (See
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities and
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Develop). It really works! Not just a toy.
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the POT files for the OLPC website—he is currently merging the
pre-existing translations with the POT files. The laptop.org website
will be translatable via Pootle by this weekend.
Walter Bender signed off with Quanta on two new keyboard layouts: one
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Remove mesh portals from neighborhood
I must have missed something along the way. Being able to select a
mesh portal is very important in the current scheme of things. Is that
functionality going to live on the frame now?
I would further argue that we are still not where need to be regarding
Do you have any specific thoughts on what we
should be showing?
We already show channel, which is a critical debugging aid at time. I
think we should be able to drill down to reveal IP V4 addresses--they
aren't going away anytime soon--as both a further debugging aid and to
facilitate the
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:56:15 -0700
From: Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [sugar] [Localization] code comments?
To: Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Sugar Mailing List sugar
1. Marvin Minksy has been writing a series of essays on learning. The
first three essays are available on the wiki (See
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Marvin_Minsky_essays). The themes to date
include What makes Mathematics hard to learn?, Drawbacks of
Age-Based Segregation, What's wrong with the
Actually, you probably want to edit /home/olpc/Activities/.defaults
which takes precedent over /usr/share/sugar/data/activities.defaults.
Same file format.
-walter
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BryanWB hey, anybody know how i can change the order in
After more than two years without a break at One Laptop per Child, I
have decided to take some time to reflect on how I can best contribute
going forward to the goal of giving children around the world
opportunities for a quality learning experience. The OLPC Association
is making headway getting
--and probably
correct--trade-offs by deciding to minimize any integration with the
Datastore, while keeping clipboard compatibility.
-walter
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Walter Bender wrote:
Sugar/Linux could easily have compatibility with regular
We should be careful as we make this analysis that we don't overly
bias the discussion towards the perception of developers rather than
the children and teachers. Perhaps Carla can chime in based on her
experiences in NIgeria, India, Peru, and Mexico.
-walter
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:10 AM,
Any interest in the themes/topics Tomeu outlined in his email about
Sugar performance? Lots of interesting things to explore that would be
of real value to the project.
-walter
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Patrick Jahenr
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Hi there,
We are a group of 15 collegians,
Thanks for putting this page together. We've set up a mailing list for
discussing the educational mission here:
http://lists.lo-res.org/mailman/listinfo/its.an.education.project
-walter
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have made a new Wiki page,
+1. It is particularly important to be able to disable them when
dealing with a flaky touchpad.
-walter
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
since the hot corner issue has seen a lot of discussions [1], [2], [3] etc
I thought we might want to tackle
In general, it'd be great to be able to share like this for most
activities. Another way of thinking about sharing would be to share
resources of multiple laptops to get a bigger workspace, e.g., some
times it is useful to have multiple xterms open. This would seemingly
be simple to do in the
I think we need to decouple the release cycles between activities and
Sugar to whatever degree possible. Activities should be able to change
at whatever pace is dictated by the activity developers. Since
activities depend upon Sugar, the Sugar schedule needs to be more
predictable. The only time
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| In general, it'd be great to be able to share like this for most
| activities. Another way of thinking about sharing would be to share
| resources of multiple laptops to get a bigger workspace, e.g., some
It certainly used to... Sharing variables is pretty cool!
-walter
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
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Fairly well maintained judging from trac. It has educational value.
It's part of the Peru activity pack. Personally I think it should be
in.
I got my hands on a One2OneMate last night. It is a pretty cool
machine. The keyboard is full, their is a touch screen, built in
wireless, some expansion slots, etc. It is light, runs quiet and cool.
It comes with a nice suite of applications: Konqueror, a PDF viewer, a
note pad, typing tutor, Tux
Maybe we need to adopt the late great Walter Payton, sweetness as
our official mascot.
I've posted your taxonomy here:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy
-walter
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
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I think this is brilliant!
Marco
On Fri,
on Frame thread on
devel list.
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Cc: Simon Schampijer; Greg Smith (gregmsmi); Eben Eliason; Sugar List
Subject: Re: [sugar] hot corners
Let me talk to Carla
Indeed, one of the goals of Sugar Labs is to help build community
collaboration, so working together on organizing is a positive step
forward. I plan to start sending a weekly Sugar Digest out--but it
will not be comprehensive of all the OLPC comings and goings and it
will include Sugar in other
One of our goals is to make Sugar (and its development environment)
available even to those without XOs, which is most children for the
foreseeable future. The fact that most of Sugar is written in Python
means that at some level anyone with a text editor can be a developer.
And, as Marco pointed
great idea.
-walter
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:39 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:40 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
Finally, there is the issue of work queues. I still have no clue how to
represent, using either either Trac or the wiki, the fact that
Labs. More details will follow soon.
3. Linux Foundation: Walter Bender and Jim Zemlin (Executive Director
of the Linux Foundation) met to discuss ways in which we could work
together. The Linux Foundation hosts collaboration events among the
Linux technical community, application developers
Alas, two more open bugs that should be considered by someone:
(1) Record has been broken in Joyride for quite some time: ever since
the introduction of compositing? (#6850)
(2) Browse has some issues that are important to Uruguay (#6825, 6826, #7078)
-walter
It is definitely tied to something that is different between the
Joyride and the update.1 streams. It still works in 703...
-walter
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alas, two more open
For what it is worth, Seymour had a simple introductory project
involving Google maps that he proposed in the early days of OLPC: have
the children try to make a determination of when the photo was taken:
time of day, time of year, which year, etc. -- opening the door to
many of the ideas explored
I've been working on a rough draft of a governance model that I'll
post to the wiki for comments as soon as it is beyond the
stream-of-conscience stage (leaning heavily on the Gnome model). Stay
tuned!!
-walter
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri,
=== Sugar Digest ===
It has been a busy week for Sugar Labs.
1. Sucrose: On behalf of the Release Team, Simon Schampijer announced
Sucrose 0.81.2 (Development Release). Features of this new release
include elimination of some platform dependencies, an improved
activity-list view, a graphical
I would argue otherwise. Since Sugar has no control over the
robustness of the network, having some way of sharing at a basic level
from the Journal is seemingly a high priority. Half of the
high-priority bugs in the link you provide are in fact not really
Sugar bugs, but subsystem bugs. The
out-of-the-box experience.
- Eben
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bert's point is a good one and a further argument for keeping it
configurable. On my XO, the touchpad is flaky but there is a frame
key. On my HP, the touchpad is reasonably stable
=== Sugar Digest ===
1. Milan meeting: There will be a Sugar Labs meeting in Milan on
Monday, 30 June. Please contact Walter Bender if you are interested in
participating. (Walter also will be at the University of Tampere the
weekend of the 28th—he is happy to meet with anyone interested
I question the rationalization that the circle is a problem...
The main issue of concern was one of scalability; The circular
arrangement suggested an inherent finite quality which runs counter to
our goals of allowing children to create and explore as much as possible
Since when
Is this done in a way such that it can be set by the customization key
process? I can imagine that many groups will prefer the ring to random
and want to make it an installation default.
-walter
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 5:36 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
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r+
On Thu, Jun 19,
I have been thinking that the freeform vs self-arranged vs ring
desktops might be a good first case study for an experiment with the
teachers and children in Peru/Uruguay. (As you may be able to sense, I
remain extremely skeptical about the utility of a random desktop.)
-walter
I am sending out the Sugar Digest early this week in order to
advertise the Sugar Labs meeting taking place in Milan tomorrow
(Monday, 30 June 2008). We'll be reporting on the meeting on the
#sugar-meeting channel of irc.freenode.net beginning at approximately
9:00 UTC+2. Please join in (Also,
We had discussed help quite extensively with Pentagram perhaps 12
months ago. One important idea was to be able to generate new help
files on the fly by the children. Perhaps this is a project someone
might want to take on.
-walter
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL
One exercise we need to complete in the process of joining the
Software Freedom Conservancy is to put together a membership list. One
we have a membership committee, we can focus on more definitive
criteria, but in the meantime, I have made a first pass to prime the
pump (Please see
=== Sugar Digest ===
1. Milan update: Minutes of the Sugar Labs meeting are posted in the
wiki (Please see
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Meeting_Minutes-30-06-2008).
Topics covered in the meeting included:
* Governance and the Software Freedom Conservancy
* What are we (Sugar Labs)
I agree. Seems like an important usability feature that should be
there and there is low risk.
-walter
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'd like a Sugar freeze exception for the
To the extent that sugarlabs is going to operate as a true upstream,
they need to be cognizant of the fact that OLPC will at times put its
goals/process ahead of upstream's goals/process.
I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar
developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC
Sugarizing involves more than just the look and feel of the UI; in
addition to Bitfrost considerations--raised by Bert and Mikus--and the
collaboration model, there is also Journal/Datastore intergration to
consider: the trivial from of Sugarizing does not result in useful
Journal entries. So some
=== Sugar Digest ===
1. Sugar Labs governance: There are still a few more loose ends to
deal with before we are officially members of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. In preparation, I've made a lot of changes on the
governance page. Please comment.
2. Leaning: There were some interesting
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:43 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
15. Blogged: I'll be posting these digests in blog form starting this week.
Nice! Where are you going to post them
It obvious occurred to me after seeing some questions posed on the
OLPC-Sur list:
4. There is an inventory of what activities can be used with
mesh, nor what ways.
5. The mesh is only capable of some form of collaboration in small groups.
Why don't we add a new field in the Activities page
Seriously now, who should have submitted the request?
Probably someone from OLPC, if they judged it to be a serious enough
deficiency to merit a late submission.
-walter
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Marco Pesenti
.
This is the one I am currently aware of.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities
Are you talking about updating that or something else?
Thanks,
Greg S
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:17:14 -0400
From: Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [sugar] proposed addition
Or, in the world of small, networked machines, you could use
full-screen displays on multiple laptops side by side. (A neat trick
first introduced in the Andrew window system at CMU.)
-walter
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Alan Kay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, you could even try having
+1
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Guys,
On upgrade from 656, 703, 708 or any release which has no favorites
concept, I think we should start with all activities visible in all Home
Views (AKA in favorites).
Is that what we will get with 8.2.0?
I
It might be a good longer-term focus to see if we could get some of
the Bitfrost ideas pushed upstream rather than diluting them. It has
applicability well beyond OLPC and Sugar.
-walter
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These are suggestions with a
It seems what you are missing is the new Frame interactions. I think
this page is relatively complete (although it doesn't walk through the
invitation/sharing process explicitly).
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/sandbox/Frame
-walter
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL
I'd vote that we not expend too much effort in supporting multiple
development environments in Pippy at the moment--there are so many
other high-priority things to be working on. Is there really a lot of
demand for this from the field?
-walter
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Benjamin M.
+1 for the ring
-10 for random
-walter
(Now that we have a reasonably stable joyride-with a working Record
activity again-I'll try to get a quick user study pulled together in
Peru on this topic by someone less bias than myself.)
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=== Sugar Digest ===
1. Oversight: We had a meeting of the acting oversight board (minutes
are available at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes#Friday_July_18_2008_-_17.00_.28UTC.29).
2. Infrastructure: Ivan Krstić and Bernie Innocenti have been moving
the Sugar Labs
I am steadfast in the opinion that stability and predictability are
much more important goals for 8.2 than trying to make significant
speed improvements. Also, do you know what build Miguel was basing his
assessment on?
-walter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1 to Marc's comment as well, that was posted while I was writing mine.
-walter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am steadfast in the opinion that stability and predictability are
much more important goals for 8.2 than trying to make significant
speed
instead of just turtle programs and gooey smalltalk...
Cannot let this one slip by uncommented on. Etoys is one place where
kids are doing real programming, as a means of achieving fluency about
many powerful ideas, not just syntax. But I unaware that children have
made contributions to Squeak
Sorry to be late sending this reminder out: we'll be continuing last
week's meeting again today at 17:00UTC, irc.freenode.net
#sugar-meeting
Topic
* Review of minutes from 18 July meeting
Topic
Infrastructure status
* Hardware
* Hosting
* etc.
Topic
Key issues
*
Sorry all. I thought we were on for 17UTC, not 18UTC. Can we try again
next Friday at 17UTC? (1PM EST).
-walter
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
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Did you mean 18 UTC maybe? (ten minutes from now).
Marco
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Walter
=== Sugar Digest ===
1. Award-winning: We can start referring to Sugar as award-winning
software. It earned a silver medal in the International Design
Excellence Awards '08 and was undoubtedly one of the reasons the OLPC
XO-1 laptop won the gold medal (Please see
We will have a Sugar Labs meeting tomorrow (Friday, August 1) at
14:00UTC, irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (Please note the time
change).
The tentative agenda is below (and at
http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes#Friday_1_August_2008_-_14.00_.28UTC.29):
Topic: Administrative
We need to put together a simple how to try Sugar page in the wiki
that is less geeky than the http://sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_system
page. Any thoughts on this?
thanks.
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Thought the RTL issues would relevant to the Sugar list...
-walter
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Date: Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Localization] Arabic Open Bugs in 8.2.0
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Aug 04,
=== Sugar Digest ===
1. The vision thing: There has been some discussion about the Sugar
vision in regard to both its clarity and the degree to which it is
being promoted (Please see the email thread beginning with
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-August/001425.html).
While there is
Not surprisingly, my experience on different machines with different
versions of joyride and different collections of activities installed
is that it is very inconsistent. Sometimes it just works, but often
times, it gets hung on one or two activities, e.g., for a while, it
would get stuck on
=== Sugar Digest ===
1. Worth a read: Dave Farning sent a pointer to an Open University
report on the effectiveness of a FLOSS-like learning community in
formal educational settings (Please see
http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/FLOSSCOM_Wp4_PHASE2_REPORT_d1.pdf).
While the focus is on higher
FYI, we'll be having the FLOSS Manuals Sugar book sprint at the end of
the month as well. More chances to get some docs pulled together.
-walter
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
The upcoming Sucrose 0.82 release should have some nice release
Why not let accessing of *deferred* Activities be handled by Journal ?
Because it involves an extra step or two that in practice people don't
take. Personally, I would even go to the extreme that the Home View
should by default open the most recent Journal entry (noun).
This is clearly
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