RE: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread Jack Aubert
: Analemma origins. Sent from my iPod Begin forwarded message: From: Fred Sawyer fwsaw...@gmail.com Date: November 14, 2009 7:11:18 PM EST To: John Carmichael jlcarmich...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Analemma origins. The next issue of the compendium will have an article by Kevin Karney showing

Re: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread Frank King
Dear Jack, You have prompted an interesting sequence of exchanges. You now ponder... ... the coordinate system that generates the figure 8 plot is virtually unique... If you regard the equation of time as an angle [so 15 minutes of time is 3.75 degrees of angle] then the coordinate system

Re: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread Fred Sawyer
...@chezaubert.net Subject: Re: Analemma origins. Jack Your question puzzles me. I don't see anything strange or difficult about the Analemma that would make it difficult to discover once the equation of time is known. Ptolemy gives a table of values. Once we have the idea of graphing tabular

Re: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread Frank King
Dear Fred, You tempt me to digress... Once we have the idea of graphing tabular values... It seems that the idea of graphs and graphing is not nearly as ancient as one might expect. I commend a book: Cosmic Imagery: Key Images in the History of Science - John D. Barrow, W.W. Norton

Re: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread JOHN DAVIS
wrote: From: Frank King frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: Analemma origins. To: Fred Sawyer fwsaw...@gmail.com Cc: Sundial List sundial@uni-koeln.de Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 16:59 Dear Fred, You tempt me to digress... Once we have the idea of graphing tabular values... It seems

Re: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread Roger Bailey
Walking Shadow From: Jack Aubert Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:11 AM To: 'Fred Sawyer' ; 'Sundial List' Subject: RE: Analemma origins. I think this was really a two part question. The first question is the historical origins of the discrepancy between apparent and mean solar time. I

RE: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread JOHN DAVIS
ng research on the clocks of King Stanislaus August Poniatowski”.Photos: a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of JOHN DAVISSent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:43 AMTo: Fred Sawyer; Frank KingCc: Sundial List

Re: Analemma origins.

2009-11-15 Thread Willy Leenders
' ; 'Sundial List' Subject: RE: Analemma origins. I think this was really a two part question. The first question is the historical origins of the discrepancy between apparent and mean solar time. I look forward to reading Kevin Karney’s discussion of Ptolemy’s treatment of this which should

RE: Analemma origins.

2009-11-14 Thread John Carmichael
Hi Tony et all Yes, I think you might be on the right track. The discoveor of the analemma would need to have some sort of a clock that tells Mean Time (constant time). Sand clocks, candle clocks and water clocks all keep Mean Time don't they? Of these ancient clocks, I'm guessing that the