Re: temporal hour including refraction

2013-11-14 Thread Frank King
Dear Gianni, As always, you are quite right, but there is more to say... In all the methods to calculate or draw sundials, geometric or analytic, the Sun is always considered punctiform, and reduced to its center, Yes to all that. ...and no account is taken of refraction... Yes AND

Re: temporal hour including refraction

2013-11-14 Thread Noam Kaplan
From: Gianni Ferrari Sent: November 14, 2013 9:36 AM To: LISTA INGLESE Subject: Re: temporal hour including refraction No you're right! In all the methods to calculate or draw sundials, geometric or analytic, the Sun is always considered punctiform, and reduced to its center

Re: temporal hour including refraction

2013-11-13 Thread Frank King
Dear David, You say, in the context of calculating solar azimuth that... Refraction has no effect on azimuth... Hmmm. This is absolutely true but, alas, the truth may well throw a beginner. Imagine calculating the azimuth of sunrise and going out with a friend one morning before dawn and

Re: temporal hour including refraction

2013-11-13 Thread David Patte ₯
Refraction affects apparent altitude at a particular time. The apparent azimuth at a particular time does not change. But the time of sunrise/sunset is changed due to refraction, so therefore there is a different solar azimuth at this adjusted time. On 2013-11-13 11:28, Frank King wrote:

R: temporal hour including refraction

2013-11-13 Thread sun.di...@libero.it
I always thought that ancient dials do not take refraction into account.Am I wrong ?Gian Messaggio originale Da: noa...@hotmail.com Data: 13/11/2013 14.44 A: Sundial Listsundial@uni-koeln.de Ogg: temporal hour including refraction .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px

Re: temporal hour including refraction

2013-11-13 Thread Gianni Ferrari
No you're right! In all the methods to calculate or draw sundials, geometric or analytic, the Sun is always considered punctiform, and reduced to its center, and no account is taken of refraction, of the lowering of the horizon (horizon dip), of other astronomical phenomena such as parallax, etc..