Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children ! It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar Health and Safety reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous, and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects. I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble ! See the page at: www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152. Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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Did any of the schools ever mention what the danger is of an analemmatic sundial? Thibaud At 16:19 15-5-2012, Martina Addiscott wrote: Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children ! It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar Health and Safety reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous, and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects. I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble ! See the page at: www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152. Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
I remember this discussion a year or so ago (maybe more?) A dialist in Australia explained that the school argued that the children would be tempted to spend too much time in the sun because of the dial. In another part of this discussion, perhaps in the UK, someone mentioned that the school worried the dial would provoke fights over using it, or just because it was there. These sorts of things. Ross Caldwell43° 20' N3° 13' E Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:46:18 +0200 To: sundial@uni-koeln.de From: tcha...@dds.nl Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ? Did any of the schools ever mention what the danger is of an analemmatic sundial? Thibaud At 16:19 15-5-2012, Martina Addiscott wrote: Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children ! It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar Health and Safety reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous, and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects. I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble ! See the page at: www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152. Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
Those are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at school. Do these schools have no controlor supervision over their students? It is great to get students outside to learn. Many people learn better by hands-on-learning. I had planned to make an analemmatic sundial on my school bus lot this yearbut it will have to wait until next fall. Our principle and teachers are excited to have it because it will be used for several different lesson by the entire elementary school. My environemental club made small sundials and learned the basics, next year will be the human sundial project. Roger Bailey and Mac Oglesby, I have not forgotten you and still all everything you gave me to help make the sundial at school. It will happen. I would think the ones banning the sundials should be more worried about the weapons, drugs, bullying, stealing, and anti-social behavior of their studentsinstead being out in the sun too long or fighting over the sundial. Pat -Original Message- From: Reinhold Kriegler reinhold.krieg...@gmx.de To: Sundial Mailingliste sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ? Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts! My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else! http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnenuhr.html I created a nice story about this analemmatic sundial within my homepage www.ta-dip.de and I am always grinning when I see that the link was visited again… Do not fight against these stupid people who seriously think that analematic sundials would be dangerous! Create a wall of shame with lots of funny comments and write the names of those who want to ban the sundial on it! A big laughter is the best medicine against such people! And if such a wall of shame is multiplied by social networks there would be a beautiful big laughter around the world! Good luck to you! And build your analemmatic sundial!!! Let many analemmatic sundials grow on school grounds or before them…! Reinhold Kriegler * ** *** * ** *** Reinhold R. Kriegler Lat. 53° 6' 52,6" Nord; Long. 8° 53' 52,3 Ost; 48 m ü. N.N. GMT +1 (DST +2) www.ta-dip.de http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCoJHwzzjUfmt=18 http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das/r-e-i-n-h-o-l-d.html http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das.html -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] Im Auftrag von Martina Addiscott Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 16:20 An: sundial@uni-koeln.de Betreff: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ? Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children ! It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar "Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous, and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects. I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble ! See the page at: www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152. Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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It has little or nothing to do with controlling the students, or even concern over their welfare. It all comes down to liability. Should some child be injured in a schoolyard scuffle, or 20 years later develop a skin cancer, some shyster lawyer WILL find a way to hold the school responsible! Dave Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 9:15 AM, darkro...@aol.com wrote: Those are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at school. Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students? It is great to get students outside to learn. Many people learn better by hands-on-learning. I had planned to make an analemmatic sundial on my school bus lot this year but it will have to wait until next fall. Our principle and teachers are excited to have it because it will be used for several different lesson by the entire elementary school. My environemental club made small sundials and learned the basics, next year will be the human sundial project. Roger Bailey and Mac Oglesby, I have not forgotten you and still all everything you gave me to help make the sundial at school. It will happen. I would think the ones banning the sundials should be more worried about the weapons, drugs, bullying, stealing, and anti-social behavior of their students instead being out in the sun too long or fighting over the sundial. Pat -Original Message- From: Reinhold Kriegler reinhold.krieg...@gmx.de To: Sundial Mailingliste sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ? Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts! My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else! http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnenuhr.html image001.jpg I created a nice story about this analemmatic sundial within my homepage www.ta-dip.de and I am always grinning when I see that the link was visited again… Do not fight against these stupid people who seriously think that analematic sundials would be dangerous! Create a wall of shame with lots of funny comments and write the names of those who want to ban the sundial on it! A big laughter is the best medicine against such people! And if such a wall of shame is multiplied by social networks there would be a beautiful big laughter around the world! Good luck to you! And build your analemmatic sundial!!! Let many analemmatic sundials grow on school grounds or before them…! Reinhold Kriegler * ** *** * ** *** Reinhold R. Kriegler Lat. 53° 6' 52,6 Nord; Long. 8° 53' 52,3 Ost; 48 m ü. N.N. GMT +1 (DST +2) www.ta-dip.de http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCoJHwzzjUfmt=18 http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das/r-e-i-n-h-o-l-d.html http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das.html -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] Im Auftrag von Martina Addiscott Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 16:20 An: sundial@uni-koeln.de Betreff: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ? Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children ! It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar Health and Safety reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous, and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects. I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble ! See the page at: www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials being discouraged by
Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
Dear Reinhold, You write... Create a wall of shame with lots of funny comments... Your story is full of drama. There is good news... ...Herr Kriegler sei der beste Lehrer an der Schule... Then the bad news... ...da hatte dieser Satz die Wirkung eines Stichs in ein Wespennest. Some people suffer a kind of allergic reaction when they see an Analemmatic Sundial. This reaction sometimes results in serious brain damage. There must be an evolutionary explanation? Perhaps, when seeing a user standing on an analemmatic sundial looking up and down at his own shadow, these people are reminded of a Cobra about to attack? This brings on a desire to destroy the snake and its environment. You can test your own sensitivity when you look at this cartoon: http://www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=jcon3346 Does this give you a headache? Tschüß Frank --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
In message C999F252986D457EA20FAC7AD947B60D@samsung Reinhold Kriegler reinhold.krieg...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forest and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forest as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts! My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me There are also other good teachers at our school! because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else! http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen uhr.html Dear Reinhold, Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by jealousy plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them. As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs. I really cannot understand why (say) any Hop-scotch grids and Snakes Ladders layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous' for children. Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory explanation for it - except to say, Health and Safety reasons. If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. ~ Friedrich Schiller Ciao. Gian Messaggio originale Da: martina.addisc...@gmail.com Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 A: sundial@uni-koeln.de Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world,#39;banning#39; analemmatic sundials ? In message C999F252986D457EA20FAC7AD947B60D@samsung Reinhold Kriegler reinhold.krieg...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts! My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else! http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen uhr.html Dear Reinhold, Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by jealousy plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them. As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs. I really cannot understand why (say) any Hop-scotch grids and Snakes Ladders layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous' for children. Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory explanation for it - except to say, Health and Safety reasons. If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
Martina Gian is quite right. But one must try… So you need a strategy to overcome the stupidity. Why not recommend to your school the superb Mac Oglesby Beam Spar dial (equiangular - so correctable for summer time and EoT!). This is designed for boy scouts/girl guides and involves ropes (children will hang themselves) and tree climbing (broken legs guaranteed) and - dare I say it - knives (child murder inevitable). So that is bound to be refused. Now you suggest a gentle analemmatic in its place and the authorities will melt with happiness at its simplicity and safety. Or fight the dead hand of bureaucratic idiocy with its own kind. Do a full risk assessment of all potential dangers and provide the strategy required to overcome each risk. (Sun hats against the sun …. non-poisonous paints … pre-cut lengths of string … old fashioned supervision of rowdy children … a tool-box talk etc etc). My heart goes out to you and I hope you show copies of this e-mail thread to your head teacher and point out that there are very few things in the current overcrowd curriculum that can gently and cheaply draw together the diverse threads of art, history, astronomy, geography, geometry and maths as sundials in the playground. And they get the children out of the unhealthy atmosphere of the class room into the great outside. Good luck - you have my full support Kevin Karney On 15 May 2012, at 19:16, sun.di...@libero.it wrote: Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. ~ Friedrich Schiller Ciao. Gian Messaggio originale Da: martina.addisc...@gmail.com Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 A: sundial@uni-koeln.de Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world, #39;banning#39; analemmatic sundials ? In message C999F252986D457EA20FAC7AD947B60D@samsung Reinhold Kriegler reinhold.krieg...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts! My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else! http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen uhr.html Dear Reinhold, Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by jealousy plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them. As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs. I really cannot understand why (say) any Hop-scotch grids and Snakes Ladders layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous' for children. Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory explanation for it - except to say, Health and Safety reasons. If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Analemmatic in a public place
Hello friends, Last Saturday I repainted the analemmatic sundial I installed a few years ago outside the west entrance to my town's Municipal Center. You can see the lower parts of the doors in the background. (The cones and tapes were removed on Sunday.) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/SundialOutsideMunicipalCenter.png The Town Manager, the Police Chief, and the Town Highway Department were all very cooperative. All of them seemed quite pleased to have a sundial where scores of people would walk over it each day. On a nearby post are instructions for using the dial, including how to convert this sundial's time to clock time. For a view of the condition of one of the hour point labels before the repainting, look here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/HourPointElevenBefore.png The entire process, working alone and including vacuuming the pavement, took between 3 and 4 hours. I'm hoping that when the next refurbishing comes due there will some volunteers to help with the hands and knees part, at least. Fondest Regards, Mac Oglesby --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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Never heard of a Beam and Spar Sundial. Do you have a picture and descriptio. Tom Laidlaw -Original Message- From: Mac Oglesby Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:35 PM To: Kevin Karney Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ? Hi Kevin, Just to set the record straight, the original Beam Spar dial was designed and constructed by Bill Maddux. He was one of my early mentors and later we collaborated (along with Fer de Vries) on several sundial articles. Bill passed away in 2004. In his memory, at the NASS 2007 conference in McLean, Virginia I led a brief workshop where each participant assembled a small Beam Spar sundial designed specifically for their home latitude. Best wishes, Mac Oglesby Martina Gian is quite right. But one must tryŠ So you need a strategy to overcome the stupidity. Why not recommend to your school the superb Mac Oglesby Beam Spar dial (equiangular - so correctable for summer time and EoT!). This is designed for boy scouts/girl guides and involves ropes (children will hang themselves) and tree climbing (broken legs guaranteed) and - dare I say it - knives (child murder inevitable). So that is bound to be refused. Now you suggest a gentle analemmatic in its place and the authorities will melt with happiness at its simplicity and safety. Or fight the dead hand of bureaucratic idiocy with its own kind. Do a full risk assessment of all potential dangers and provide the strategy required to overcome each risk. (Sun hats against the sun Š. non-poisonous paints Š pre-cut lengths of string Š old fashioned supervision of rowdy children Š a tool-box talk etc etc). My heart goes out to you and I hope you show copies of this e-mail thread to your head teacher and point out that there are very few things in the current overcrowd curriculum that can gently and cheaply draw together the diverse threads of art, history, astronomy, geography, geometry and maths as sundials in the playground. And they get the children out of the unhealthy atmosphere of the class room into the great outside. Good luck - you have my full support Kevin Karney On 15 May 2012, at 19:16, mailto:sun.di...@libero.itsun.di...@libero.it wrote: Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. ~ Friedrich Schiller Ciao. Gian Messaggio originale Da: mailto:martina.addisc...@gmail.commartina.addisc...@gmail.com Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 A: mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.desundial@uni-koeln.de Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world, #39;banning#39; analemmatic sundials ? In message C999F252986D457EA20FAC7AD947B60D@samsung Reinhold Kriegler mailto:reinhold.krieg...@gmx.dereinhold.krieg...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forestŠ and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forestŠ as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts! My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me There are also other good teachers at our school! - because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else! http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnenhttp://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen uhr.html Dear Reinhold, Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by jealousy plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them. As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs. I really cannot understand why (say) any Hop-scotch grids and Snakes Ladders layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous' for children. Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory explanation for it - except to say, Health and Safety reasons. If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundialhttps://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundialhttps://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial ---
RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ?
I had to look this one up, found what I assume is the same under Rope Spar sundial. What a great idea! I didn't have time (while at work) to figure out the details described of how the spar is aligned to a particular angle, though. If it was level, and true East-West aligned (and maybe that's all that was being described!) it should be able to be calibrated for local solar time. So a beam or rope, stretched from a building to a pole or the ground, parallel to the Earth's axis, and an E-W line on the ground below it should make a minimalist equatorial or polar dial, depending upon how you looked at its derivation... Dave -Original Message- Just to set the record straight, the original Beam Spar dial was designed and constructed by Bill Maddux. He was one of my early mentors and later we collaborated (along with Fer de Vries) on several sundial articles. Bill passed away in 2004. In his memory, at the NASS 2007 conference in McLean, Virginia I led a brief workshop where each participant assembled a small Beam Spar sundial designed specifically for their home latitude. Best wishes, Mac Oglesby --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ?
Hi Dave, Bill Maddux's article is in Compendium vol 9 no 1, March, 2002, pp. 16-23. Here's a screen shot of one of his constructions, from that article: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/Maddux%20cord%20and%20spar%20dial.png You can see a model by Fer de Vries at: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/Model%20by%20Fer%20de%20Vries.png The 2007 cord and spar workshop assembled models like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/Spar%26Cord%20Workshop%20Model.png Notice that this version makes it quite easy to adjust the horizontal beam for EoT, daylight time, and longitude offset. The hour marks could be applied to that beam empirically, or by simple computation. At the workshop, a graphic was supplied to help with that marking chore. Best wishes, Mac Oglesby I had to look this one up, found what I assume is the same under Rope Spar sundial. What a great idea! I didn't have time (while at work) to figure out the details described of how the spar is aligned to a particular angle, though. If it was level, and true East-West aligned (and maybe that's all that was being described!) it should be able to be calibrated for local solar time. So a beam or rope, stretched from a building to a pole or the ground, parallel to the Earth's axis, and an E-W line on the ground below it should make a minimalist equatorial or polar dial, depending upon how you looked at its derivation... Dave -Original Message- Just to set the record straight, the original Beam Spar dial was designed and constructed by Bill Maddux. He was one of my early mentors and later we collaborated (along with Fer de Vries) on several sundial articles. Bill passed away in 2004. In his memory, at the NASS 2007 conference in McLean, Virginia I led a brief workshop where each participant assembled a small Beam Spar sundial designed specifically for their home latitude. Best wishes, Mac Oglesby --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
I abhor the Nanny State and its consequences on individual freedom, personal responsibility and creative learning opportunities. Yesterday we watched a couple of girls climbing a tree. They were well out on a limb and enjoying the experience. Good for them. There is hope for the future. In Canada there has been a reaction against nanny state playgrounds with nothing to challenge kids. Several schools and parents groups have worked to develop playgrounds with objective hazards, places where someone might slip, fall, and get hurt. A minor bruise, a skinned knuckle even a broken bone etc is a minor inconvenience for the satisfaction from enjoying a personal challenge. While in the UK recently we were aghast at the pervasiveness of the nanny state. Signs saying Face forward, Use the handrail, Mind the gap, doors closing, doors opening etc. So many warning defeated their purpose. It is much better to allow people to observe, assess and decide themselves, taking personal responsibility for such hazardous things as taking an escalator, elevator, just climbing a the stairs or checking the time on an analemmatic sundial. Often in life I just did it. It was easier to seek approval, authorization or forgiveness later. Regards Roger Bailey Life's but a Walking Shadow -- From: Martina Addiscott martina.addisc...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:23 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ? Dear Reinhold, Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by jealousy plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them. As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs. I really cannot understand why (say) any Hop-scotch grids and Snakes Ladders layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous' for children. Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory explanation for it - except to say, Health and Safety reasons. If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know. Sincerely, Martina Addiscott. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ?
I know nothing about the Beam and Spar Sundial but I do know when the sun over the yardarm, the bar is open. Regards, Roger Bailey -- From: Tom Laidlaw tomlaid...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:50 PM To: Kevin Karney ke...@karney.com; Mac Oglesby ogle...@sover.net Cc: Sundial List sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ? Never heard of a Beam and Spar Sundial. Do you have a picture and descriptio. Tom Laidlaw -Original Message- From: Mac Oglesby Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:35 PM To: Kevin Karney Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmaticsundials ? Hi Kevin, Just to set the record straight, the original Beam Spar dial was designed and constructed by Bill Maddux. He was one of my early mentors and later we collaborated (along with Fer de Vries) on several sundial articles. Bill passed away in 2004. In his memory, at the NASS 2007 conference in McLean, Virginia I led a brief workshop where each participant assembled a small Beam Spar sundial designed specifically for their home latitude. Best wishes, Mac Oglesby Martina Gian is quite right. But one must tryŠ So you need a strategy to overcome the stupidity. Why not recommend to your school the superb Mac Oglesby Beam Spar dial (equiangular - so correctable for summer time and EoT!). This is designed for boy scouts/girl guides and involves ropes (children will hang themselves) and tree climbing (broken legs guaranteed) and - dare I say it - knives (child murder inevitable). So that is bound to be refused. Now you suggest a gentle analemmatic in its place and the authorities will melt with happiness at its simplicity and safety. Or fight the dead hand of bureaucratic idiocy with its own kind. Do a full risk assessment of all potential dangers and provide the strategy required to overcome each risk. (Sun hats against the sun Š. non-poisonous paints Š pre-cut lengths of string Š old fashioned supervision of rowdy children Š a tool-box talk etc etc). My heart goes out to you and I hope you show copies of this e-mail thread to your head teacher and point out that there are very few things in the current overcrowd curriculum that can gently and cheaply draw together the diverse threads of art, history, astronomy, geography, geometry and maths as sundials in the playground. And they get the children out of the unhealthy atmosphere of the class room into the great outside. Good luck - you have my full support Kevin Karney On 15 May 2012, at 19:16, mailto:sun.di...@libero.itsun.di...@libero.it wrote: Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. ~ Friedrich Schiller Ciao. Gian Messaggio originale Da: mailto:martina.addisc...@gmail.commartina.addisc...@gmail.com Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 A: mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.desundial@uni-koeln.de Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world, #39;banning#39; analemmatic sundials ? In message C999F252986D457EA20FAC7AD947B60D@samsung Reinhold Kriegler mailto:reinhold.krieg...@gmx.dereinhold.krieg...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Martina, I still remember your previous message! The world is crazy! In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forestŠ and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forestŠ as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts! My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me There are also other good teachers at our school! - because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else! http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnenhttp://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen uhr.html Dear Reinhold, Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by jealousy plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them. As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs. I really cannot understand why (say) any Hop-scotch grids and Snakes Ladders layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous' for children. Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory explanation for it - except to say, Health and Safety reasons. If anyone else has
Re: Analemmatic in a public place - olympic sabotage?
Oh dear! I've just thought that the sundial I have designed and delivered for the Silver section of the Great British Garden very close to the main stadium in the Olympic Park in London might be considered too much of a hazard for the athletes who might be tempted to check their watches by it. They could be late for their event, be exposed to too much sun, be pushed over by rest of the world wanting to try it out, or blinded by reflection of the sun off its polished stainless steel components. Mea culpa. David Brown Somerton, Somerset, UK Mac Oglesby Hello friends, Last Saturday I repainted the analemmatic sundial I installed a few years ago outside the west entrance to my town's Municipal Center. You can see the lower parts of the doors in the background. (The cones and tapes were removed on Sunday.) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/SundialOutsideMunicipalCenter.png The Town Manager, the Police Chief, and the Town Highway Department were all very cooperative. All of them seemed quite pleased to have a sundial where scores of people would walk over it each day. On a nearby post are instructions for using the dial, including how to convert this sundial's time to clock time. For a view of the condition of one of the hour point labels before the repainting, look here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688834/HourPointElevenBefore.png The entire process, working alone and including vacuuming the pavement, took between 3 and 4 hours. I'm hoping that when the next refurbishing comes due there will some volunteers to help with the hands and knees part, at least. Fondest Regards, Mac Oglesby --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
