Re: Can s6 be enough?: was s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Laurent Bercot
Eliminate dependency on udevd from oneshot startup scripts. One example among others: Kernel events are used to automatically load dynamic kernel modules. Say you need to mount a filesystem of a type that's not known in your core kernel, but you have a module for that. Either you manually

Re: s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Laurent Bercot
- The execline library is required to build a few of s6's utilities (typically: s6-ftrig-listen). - The execlineb binary is required for use of the !processor directive in s6-log. - Some of the other binaries provided by execline are used by s6 utilities, for instance s6-fdholder-store.

Re: s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Colin Booth
On Sat, Jan 05, 2019 at 06:00:57PM -0300, Guillermo wrote: > El sáb., 5 ene. 2019 a las 7:46, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard escribió: > > > > * https://packages.debian.org/sid/s6 > > And buster too. Which has the side effect of making it automatically > available in Devuan ceres and beowulf :) > > *

Re: s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 18:00:57 -0300 Guillermo wrote: > I don't know why execline is a 'recommends' though. It should be a > 'depends', I believe. I set up a s6 supervisor using all shellscripts and no execline. You don't absolutely need execline. SteveT Steve Litt January 2019 featured

Re: Can s6 be enough?: was s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Laurent Bercot
Everybody appreciates the preceding two features, but personally, I don't think they're absolutely necessary. Runit has neither, yet it works just fine for most things. It really depends on what "most things" are. Small, server-only appliances? sure. Distributions where you can start all the

Re: s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Guillermo
El sáb., 5 ene. 2019 a las 7:46, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard escribió: > > * https://packages.debian.org/sid/s6 And buster too. Which has the side effect of making it automatically available in Devuan ceres and beowulf :) * https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=s6_2.7=any I

nosh: User-space virtual terminal test and questions

2019-01-05 Thread Guillermo
Hello, So, I've gotten around to testing user-space VTs with nosh tools on Gentoo, as described in the nosh Guide. Mostly console-fb-realizer, but I also tested console-termio-realizer on a kernel VT for comparison. This was in a VirtualBox VM, so there were two framebuffer devices available: the

Can s6 be enough?: was s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 10:46:29 + Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > s6 and s6-rc are actually ports/packages in FreeBSD and s6 is a > package in Debian. Alas, the Debian world has not yet caught up with > the other toolsets, and the third-party Debian packaging for > s6-linux-utils and the

Re: s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread multiplexd
Hi all, (Apologies to JdePB, I accidentally replied to him directly instead of to the supervision list.) On Sat, Jan 05, 2019 at 10:46:29AM +, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > Alas, the Debian world has not yet caught up with the other > toolsets, and the third-party Debian packaging for

Re: s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
That said, I would probably write my own portable tool if it came to that, as my gripes with |ps| are not to everyone's tastes. * It is the 21st century. The FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD |ps| programs all use |-| as the command-line option introducer, and have done since /at least/

Re: s6-ps

2019-01-05 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Laurent Bercot: I just wasn't aware of people besides me actually using s6-ps. :) I used it as an example of not being a mess. (-: s6 and s6-rc are actually ports/packages in FreeBSD and s6 is a package in Debian. Alas, the Debian world has not yet caught up with the other toolsets, and