Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. Practical solution: find a very old computer to use as a Linux firewall/router. Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and this isn't even needed if you do NAT. Set this up as your Freenet machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow connections to fproxy from internal network. Run Firefox as a browser for Freenet. I know most people aren't concerned enough about security to care that someone might get at their files. Most people who are, and most people who use Linux even, are not concerned enough about security to run Freenet. If you care enough to run Freenet, you should care enough to run more secure software elsewhere. If you run Internet Explorer, for instance, all that security goes out the window. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM2d+ngHNmZLgCUhAQJDVRAAncNVd3mrEZvCHS3J4AvBJmSGCboeYfhr rjQ+IX3hnAFwruze+sOPDwdHJCjC7ZM/sZh9X4zmEP+J5O1UCcV9Ub31dCvkU2Z3 8+zkgWxskvrqIpYLkcKE8J8a3F3Qp0A7+C6hUiYB3nI2sSgUIMgGo45pzgMiKORe 2pNVyiUrFWTvHpUMSm0/TiOim/1sL1fZH02L5D07Jl6BwDeSuo+qcuYx/zyaCjN9 INUdyJ8VOJKfCPYvUukFryC4PBCZqQUF4cN//G7M4f6BTGO5cyGuuuNQ9Spp0pqe Q/Mcjh90VUwBHtbkBPG9qN1Nd6qtYPgWVXt4eTIm38LTiWDsXi+engNVNdtlZFpw JsWN+8rtVjXtZRU9LaNlgxD/TgSlo4SMkZ6EoqjL2cEKyCOi8hhIt7m2hD5g41sW isQ7B7g3cSEsU5Lt3xp61hkVQww5xNjyr6p3B0Jf06JQWbbpMp2MOdxl7p0VZ/2c cO9X953JMJYOJBiAAyBQjRChlY4lNzMdlorv78KCtylTpakUBI+MD4DhAUKSZL/r uIYWiKald0f/aGhYIK/a+zb6VvoNIaSrLnmScOdPWsbcFzLlYF0qnGwFzEMV6N9D WLw/4ce6AC8h6x7FqV2J7w3Q+PpcXBU6JPEHT+Vf+5vh237oikD0t5pJILSfjwsE r2hMRdEiNRs= =D5bU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
David Masover wrote: Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, is to get a router. You can get a decent router for $35-$50, and that will give you a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a cable/DSL line. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...] What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) -- 5:45PM up 132 days, 3 hrs, 1 user, load averages: 0.15, 0.21, 0.24 Every non-empty totally disconnected perfect compact metric space is homeomorphic to the Cantor set. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Monday 14 June 2004 08:45 am, David Masover wrote: Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. I've been a Debian zealot for about 6 years, and before that a Slackware 3.0 user, so I respect the position that Linux is great. However, I must also use Windows; I am a musician who uses Cakewalk Sonar on XP; nothing like it exists for Linux, regardless of what some people say about the various sound projects still in their relative infancy. I use Norton AntiVirus on Windows (not *their* firewall) and the XP firewall to simply block everything. While working in Sonar I usually just disconnect the network connection from within XP. I had an external firewall only that sat between the cable modem and the house LAN, but there was a problem; someone else on the LAN got a worm (they aren't as savvy) and I was running Windows without a firewall, and with file sharing turned on. I lost a lot of time ;) My point is; sometimes people run Windows. If anyone could explain how they got their Norton Firewall running it would probably be helpful. Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. FreeBSD above Debian Stable? :) Practical solution: find a very old computer to use as a Linux firewall/router. Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and this isn't even needed if you do NAT. Set this up as your Freenet machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow connections to fproxy from internal network. Run Firefox as a browser for Freenet. This is great, but above some people's technical skills. Freenet is easy enough for a novice to install, and we have many of them as our userbase to an extent. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 FCPTools Maintainer www.sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...] What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) LOL Good point, perhaps I should have specified a windows based software firewall. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
Dear Madeline Brubaker: Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a problem as Apple lovers once were. I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people, they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with computers. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: [...] | a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a | cable/DSL line. I would. A linux one. Or better, a BSD one. With daily updates. The firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4n9HgHNmZLgCUhAQLaaQ//SmLZWpl6gfz6eZXoZ/kCb8toSx8Ray4L Lrl6mBuPsI1XMBdYAGmkkcKyFCXeL85a7grvLjT6VtyetDQ43CvUtpKpgEKgmqAo pRjvsLQsG4IOTQ1STKVxLQQDeezHLOL9arSf+18sSpncWJ6rUNvP1wCK/gK3/guf hE6oyDzI0TyGYC1S7qXcFYkuL4lsee71XftB/VT/dm79kguVCmtL21lNTVGHEGey h0p/d9wwc6kwPSWacU/uUnUmnZqad0ctUdXbtQX9siJiDYolC9hjzUrboXUA0B+N yuCDWBY/Q7AGkXJwmduBeKUKsg83zMVIzBB5yq89xgKDNXxgTPZAph/Zc21fHHLT N4PNrML9/7ALiSYy3fhrH7flYmv39b0eJmDn2it+4IGZFiKSyFAArfExNGkvhE0m bABwUBbXFHtdKtnKeDXbF9OoQpatljJC9f9QU11PdN9eIxYZLnLTFN3WIbvJJMra aT0XO98BY1A5tNter0CFeiqNtp5kyvnibq4iS4ryim4PlaIgjKfjUdaMUzQ2HonZ r3e2W1VokEb2r31pOWhfR7HRLJFihN6wWi/+Vhb7l9jxo1iOci/VJRDhAmlpgC+M nEvFo5s/8j++wnCNo1gkWoV6/UdQgc8blkOI034+/oTbNXFigVyeqKGx7zyXTQTv e/R3LRPCyYA= =5K4u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a |software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want |to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...] | | | What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) Point taken. But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace? About the third time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall. What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4oVXgHNmZLgCUhAQI0sg//eL+y77oA0xBzv9gxRylpCIlROdbJPqkO +XadYQTwAckWsOYaeoOvRFrUWYc+JvqCtyIwIfOSvGsG49EY+6+plfvzbL7SXR1K vupaSZHjLUW0xomS6tG3vB5MawKE5n2tB4lPryomLmNIrLsv0CmW2L/i4IL8wNJA 9ZN7eNNxOjtcx+AGBphou9beR36xPK56a4Lfbv62Z07uZdANJp6pimEmfll81Kbl DSdocfIwss7liQn55FtqW63pOqddvhTRaN1uQCUcD3wgUxGV+Zd3zfsj8x9ReZjq niskllnBOuq7H+0MCL/nMQN+bA7PezznAUDohYaqxXZovuqI9IXk5WY84vs/znVy AaZKCnP87spjOfJtm70VRWEif7e+y5WbDRs4Xs6E2BmKRth3uYfU3nTUbIp0q/c2 Ywz3+MArLRKuIMCMh4RUutC9qbdCDH8w61PvLwtZKRD9jiknKhGebYLaEGlnLyac SL3zDrEzRH1OoFhqzs5sz+7GmzEoP2D3xOM9pY95HOdX/rzSMo3ekrYw5DvCHedj B+Bpz4Ct2YS+5wqGuLdA4xhT2x2n5tgKOljWUS27N6xxmZJclpmK350hi4vgYgBl T6ldiFM0diCKexVLrWBVaGBYVcgFclgrBWiw3QsEtM1Ep2xTUWOLXg87Q9wadH2d sOPzkMVRlPQ= =i7nH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Sturm wrote: | Dear | |Madeline Brubaker: | | | Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a | problem as Apple lovers once were. Ooh! Ooh! I smell a rant! Please excuse my response to being called a nut. | I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though | Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people, | they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions Name some you'd miss. I'll bet money that there are enough clones. As sarcastic and annoyed as I sound, I'm usually a nice person, and I promise I'll find an option that works. And do remember what Linus is releasing. Linus releases the kernel. The windows equivalent can probably be found somewhere like C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\KERNEL.DLL. Go tell me how useful for ordenary people that file strikes you. Or do you mean the applications that run on top of Linux? I guess that's a pretty safe assumption. But Linus didn't touch those, and most run as easily on BSD, Solaris, OS X, and even Windows. | to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with | computers. My turn for a one-sided rant. I hope I seem a bit more informed. I suppose my parents are not ordinary people. Maybe my brother isn't ordinary either. Or my boss. And yet, they all have the unusual ability to use a Linux computer without just playing with it. Oh, and let's not forget: Apache was developed on Linux, and later ported to Windows. Apache is the most popular web server on the planet. ~ But I guess ordinary people never run their own web sites. What about Sendmail? Admittedly, I don't use it -- I use qmail, one of 3 or 4 MTA options for Linux. Sendmail is, however, the most popular MTA, period. But ordinary people obviously don't run mail servers. The mere thought! Ooh, and let's not forget the things that have been done better. Do ordinary people chat, or do instant messaging? I have gaim, a very small, very fast program that does 4-5 different IM protocols in one program, sharing one buddy list. And, of course, ordinary people might want to write code for pay. Or play games. Or surf the Internet. Or send email. I can do all that on Linux. And by the way, how many ordinary people use Freenet? As an honest question, what is it that you ordinary people can't do on Linux? Or OS X? Or BSD? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4vGngHNmZLgCUhAQIahg/7BfcUvwt7PF2UwGZarxYbAz5EqTQMv5jP FNbPJ/BJ0mKPx1RXtw51UeUIOViSzJmYg2YVZIPyVAF2NgQF+/O9rCOtfjHvinjU +IGU+qX6iH4+rXtZGKLDW0cqiKYyoNERm3wl0kyI+/DqG8AE1pxTMqSuyeny3ssf DvPNKCzq//GPRBZq2T9lj8d2yb55vArgsfe27onUMczsRfArhyZZpQNFu/Gz10Wq +F7EHdUNix/3QoUuHvBJA7+wgscFQuMRt/32UdOv1N3j/mMa5F+VUAdgnwwSNLjC BbKNJFbVS88sCQhRLQjd8Y3xcgpRdpi3L3WvAxINlXQNbzdQsGPm41kEA7Ybm3jj CqBQz9dZ/yEFgtHPdxjuWJL6KmURB5LXfWPBrs3zaqrzccC7VeVBXPqhIFVw0jM6 yMn0SANA686UQTLvXyZIjNINeTm9ytm+K+4lc37cDb7KG/XO/1PKnEiLDoEPtRAe OLDgdi9vJMIb2Tt5cyZq6tRsJ9LDHq7XHJeWGFbGl3kbB7tH7pSNGNUzvYEpJumC GGLsBpMhHzCVZ95cglXxDyfEwNUIwe9SSFHFlypoETBUKsGy17foofRj6Bz9J1Tr rr7cmBU7A43+Y8Bkl2lPZgs00flhRZBoYCnX/JB4NhzIf/f1v6vpWTyTqNlzjWl2 Ag0DLc0RGe4= =rfpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
David Masover wrote: Michael R. Stork wrote: [...] | a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a | cable/DSL line. I would. A linux one. Or better, a BSD one. With daily updates. The firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network. U, no offense, but are you just being intentionally argumentative ? My post started out by saying that I agreed with the original poster that Linux was more secure then Windows, but that since most people aren't going to take the time to hook up a linux box between their primary PC and the internet, or use Linux as their primary OS, the alternative was to use a router and to NOT hook their PC directly to a cable/DSL connection. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux vs Windows was (Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall)
David Masover wrote: | What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) Point taken. But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace? About the third time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall. What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows? David I really don't think anyone is arguing that Linux isn't more secure then Windows, but you're discussing apples and oranges here. Most people are NOT using Linux, therefore the average discussion is, by default, going to be based on Windows unless they've specified otherwise. Jumping into these discussions and citing Linux examples is pretty much useless, especially when the thread was someone asking how to install/configure a piece of WINDOWS software on a WINDOWS based system. Shout the advantages of Linux as much as you'd like, in threads ON linux, but what is the point of trying to muddy up a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Linux, just because you feel it's a better system ? This would be like me going onto a board discussing how to do engine repair on a Honda and throwing out tips on how to fix a Dodge, in every thread ! Just my $.02 Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
