[freenet-support] Re: [Freenet-list] Freenet: Kaffe (free software) compatibility: Was: R freesite
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scriveva: > >> is happy to run on build 552; it is slow because run on a > >> slow system; the memory profile and resource use of kaffe > >> is far better respect sun jre. > >> Take care of this compatibility; IMHO is more important > >> then that the mean Freenet developer think. > > > >It crashes in minutes on my machine. The developers have been somewhat > >nonresponsive, the bugs seem to be deep magick and the Project Leaders > >have determined that we don't need to spend money making Kaffe work with > >Freenet. > > This statement is very important; IMHO the Freenet Project > need an explicit position on that question. > > Project Leaders, can we hear you ? > > Releasing the main code under GPL is ineffective, if the > .jar need proprietary software; in my understanding > the use of the GPL licence is incorrect; I think in > this case LGPL is the right type of licence. > > Anyway, till Freenet remains in java, dropping the Kaffe > compatibility IMHO is a fundamental mistake, both from > the point of view of free software and from the security. > > The only other way to solve this problem is IMU, to > release a C (or other freely compilable/runnable language) > version Totally agree with Marco: this shows my old sensation, Freenet is a good project but not its developer group :-( ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Freenet: Kaffe (free software) compatibility: Was: Re: [freenet-support] freesite
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Anyway, till Freenet remains in java, dropping the Kaffe > compatibility IMHO is a fundamental mistake, both from > the point of view of free software and from the security. What exactly do you mean by "Kaffe compatibility"? If Matthew & co. write code which conforms to the specifications of the Java language, but it crashes Kaffe, then clearly this is a bug in Kaffe. Attempting to find workarounds which avoid Kaffe bugs might be helpful for you and me in the short term, but it's a fundamental waste of time for the project in the long term, if efforts could instead be focused on improving Freenet itself. As for the license issue that you mentioned The GPL says: "Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope." Can Freenet be copied? Yes. Can Freenet be distributed? Yes. Can Freenet be modified? I believe so. Then, the GPL goes on to cover the detailed conditions which apply to these three fundamental activities. "1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code [...]" No problem here. "2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications [...] provided [...]: "a) [statement that you changed the files, and when] "b) [all third parties are licensed to use it at no charge] "c) [must print disclaimer of warranty if it's interactive]" Again, no problem here, except possibly 2c, but that only applies to freenet.client.cli.* which most people don't use anyway. And it's trivial to fix if anyone actually cares. "3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form [...] provided that you also do one of the following: "a) [provide source code] "b) [offer to provide source code at minimal cost] "c) [pass along someone else's offer to provide source code] Now here's the important part: "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable. However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the executable." Whenever I see a discussion of the GPL, this paragraph is the one that usually causes the most trouble. In the context of placing Freenet under the GPL, however, it *does not matter whether Freenet can be run on a free Java virtual machine*, because the GPL does not concern itself with the use of the program -- only with copying, distributing and modifying the program. The real issue is whether Freenet can be *developed* with free tools. The answer to this, IMHO, can take a couple different forms: 1) If Sun's Java Software Development Kit is considered "the operating system on which the executable runs", then the non-free javac (compiler) can be considered a normally distributed major component of that operating system. This is an open question. 2) If Freenet can be developed entirely with alternative tools, which could (at least in theory) be distributed along with Freenet, then this paragraph is also satisfied. I compile Freenet using jikes and ant. Jikes is in Debian's main repository, meaning it's Free Software according to Debian's guidelines. Ant, however, is in the "contrib" section, which is a trickier matter. Software in contrib is free, but depends on something which isn't. I don't feel like tracking down all of ant's dependencies and license clauses at the moment. I believe (but I may be mistaken) that Freenet can also be developed without using ant. Jikes and make might be sufficient. If that's the case, then everything should be fine -- just include a written offer to provide jikes (since make is clearly a normal component of every Unix-like system). I can't foresee anyone actually taking you up on the offer, when they could download jikes directly from IBM far more quickly -- but even if they did, sending them a copy of jikes should't drain the Freenet treasury too greatly. (You can always request a few more donations.) FYI, jikes-1.14.tar.gz is 609,341 bytes and is in Freenet at CHK@2a4yGgZlJv6W7Y1YouvjZr1IT5sUAwI,pbg7cCTk98Zq-1OufU0yew I don't believe the remaining clauses of the GPL are relevant to the current discussion, so I'll spare you any further analysis. As far as I ca
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[freenet-support] this ml
Hi, I would like to behave all mailinglist users (this includes the developers, too !) to act as follows, when answering mails: - cut off quotings you are not answering to - configure your email client to have quotings left beginning with ">" - put your answer to the bottom of the mail, or, at least, put empty lines between quotings and your answer when answering in between the quotings. This would help reading the ml for readers which recieve a lot of mails a lot to keep this ml being reader-friendly. Thank you very much for your time reading, understanding and folling this. FYI: Not all of you have a graphical monitor with a high resolution, and finding the nescessary information at the very top few lines is reader-friendly and saves time and keeps being happy when reading it. Besides of that, it would save a lot sending/recieving mails for there are modem-user, too. Again, thank you very much. http://learn.to/quote which was standard, when usenet what up-to-date and which should be standard for ml-lists nowadays. cu Sascha -- GNU Linux | I'd rather just believe that it's done by little elves 2.4.19-cr | running around. on a | i586 | | | ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
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[freenet-support] version pour os classic
Bonjour, Je souhaite obtenir une version de freenet pour un iMac avec OS 9.0.4. Le lien disponible sur le site freenetproject.org me renvoie au site suivant in.netster.com/Index.asp?Site=YnV0dHNub3QuY29t. A partir de cet endroit je ne sais plus ou trouver la version a telecharger ? Pouvez-vous m'aider ? Mercu d'avance. Cordialement, -- David LUC Résidence la Tournelle 3, place Lamartine Bâtiment 3 Appartement 201 89000 AUXERRE GSM 06.63.03.00.06 Tel. 03.86.48.18.34 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
[freenet-support] Healing feature
It would be nice that during a FEC download, aborting the healing phase automatically save the file. Now if you abort the healing the download is lost. JM2C. Marco -- + il Progetto Freenet - segui il coniglio bianco+ * the Freenet Project - follow the white rabbit* * Marco A. Calamari[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.marcoc.it* * PGP RSA: ED84 3839 6C4D 3FFE 389F 209E 3128 5698 * + DSS/DH: 8F3E 5BAE 906F B416 9242 1C10 8661 24A9 BFCE 822B + ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
RE: [freenet-support] Heisenbug
Right, I just hadn't looked enough. Unfortunately a loglevel minor log doesn't give any help, it seems to have happened quite spontaneously at different times... Guess we'll have to wait for it to happen another time. Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8287): QueryRestarted @ 8a14dfc5c625dbfa <- 209.210.55.2:12357 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8521): QueryRestarted @ 8a14dfc5c625dbfa -> 66.28.14.56:2538 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8492): Void @ dd9df34cf0fffd28 -> 18.239.3.103:9959 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8346): DataRequest @ 8225f182be0d3d8d -> 217.160.78.31:37371 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8429): QueryRejected @ f562934eb0614c23 <- 141.24.32.207:56984 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8346): QueryRestarted @ f562934eb0614c23 -> 65.195.28.94:44782 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8272): InsertRequest @ 79e04e9e84437253 -> 219.117.201.240:36333 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8346): NodeAnnouncement @ f562934eb0614c23 -> 205.165.193.106:26288 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.message.VoidMessage, QThread-8240): YOUR NODE CAUSED THE HEISENBUG - PLEASE REPORT SETUP TO FREENET DEV MAILING LIST! Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.message.NodeMessage, QThread-8240): PANIC! Just recreated heisenbug! ID: 428c8435428c8435 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8240): Void @ 428c8435428c8435 -> 62.249.189.106:31998 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8240): QueryRestarted @ 673f907ba85f4ac4 -> 62.167.0.87:51021 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8240): DataRequest @ 673f907ba85f4ac4 -> 80.192.66.82:9065 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8478): DataRequest @ 43fcefae90844c81 <- 68.58.206.237:34147 Feb 2, 2003 6:42:06 PM (freenet.ConnectionHandler, QThread-8522): QueryRejected @ 43fcefae90844c81 -> 68.58.206.237:34147 /N ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
[freenet-support] The announcedTo counter in diagnostics
Is it supposed to do something? I have never seen a single entry in it (3 months of running freenet nodes). The log files indicates that announcing is being done. Windows XP+2000, suns JVM 1.4.1_01, all builds tried since november /N ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Freenet: Kaffe (free software) compatibility: Was: Re: [freenet-support] freesite
At 01.57 05/02/03 +, you wrote: >> is happy to run on build 552; it is slow because run on a >> slow system; the memory profile and resource use of kaffe >> is far better respect sun jre. >> Take care of this compatibility; IMHO is more important >> then that the mean Freenet developer think. > >It crashes in minutes on my machine. The developers have been somewhat >nonresponsive, the bugs seem to be deep magick and the Project Leaders >have determined that we don't need to spend money making Kaffe work with >Freenet. This statement is very important; IMHO the Freenet Project need an explicit position on that question. Project Leaders, can we hear you ? Releasing the main code under GPL is ineffective, if the .jar need proprietary software; in my understanding the use of the GPL licence is incorrect; I think in this case LGPL is the right type of licence. Anyway, till Freenet remains in java, dropping the Kaffe compatibility IMHO is a fundamental mistake, both from the point of view of free software and from the security. The only other way to solve this problem is IMU, to release a C (or other freely compilable/runnable language) version JM2C. Marco -- + il Progetto Freenet - segui il coniglio bianco+ * the Freenet Project - follow the white rabbit* * Marco A. Calamari[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.marcoc.it* * PGP RSA: ED84 3839 6C4D 3FFE 389F 209E 3128 5698 * + DSS/DH: 8F3E 5BAE 906F B416 9242 1C10 8661 24A9 BFCE 822B + ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
