[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Why is the main Download Freenet 0.7 when it's Alpha?
The main reason is that if we directed users to 0.5 then we would have to maintain 0.5, and we don't have the manpower to do that. As far as content goes my suspicion - confirmed by many on Frost and IRC - is that the lack of content is largely due to bugs which are in the process of being worked out (e.g. lack of insert resuming). It's also feedback; if there is no content then people are less likely to put content on. The way to break the cycle is to fix the bugs, and that's what I've been doing. As far as opennet goes, as I have said, the network is not ready for opennet. On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 01:25:40AM -0700, Scruple Scruple wrote: > Why is alpha software Freenet 0.7 being pushed onto users on the download > page? I think it better that the stable Freenet 0.5 be featured as the > preferred download. > > http://freenet.sourceforge.net/download.html > > Until Freenet 0.7 has open-net I do not think it is ready to be treated in > favor of 0.5. New users are not sticking around on 0.7 because there are few > content, finding peers harder with darknet along other problems, bugs and > continual updates. > > Pushing 0.7 onto new users in spite of it lack of maturity is in poor form. > P.S. On a related topic of reports & complains about a lack of content on > Freenet 0.7, I may have an explanation for that. I am in touch with a number > of major Freenet (0.5) content providers since I run the largest media & > content index site on Freenet 0.5 (FreeNova). Many users, including my self, > are staying with 0.5 until 0.7 proves itself. > > Scruple -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060727/6355/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Switching it off for a while
That's not very encouraging. Perhaps there should be some flag available to let other nodes know that one of them is just "temporarily unavailable". Or maybe an option for a "3rd party" server where the traffic requests would be rerouted - and the "temporarily unavailable" answer given out (the "3rd party" router probably being another (web?) server to which the DynDNS would point for a while). BTW, what do you guys mean by "people drop nodes" and "people can see"? I thought the _system_ was automatically selecting the nodes? Or are you referring to 0.7 only?
[freenet-support] Switching it off for a while
You could always change your nodename to "I'll be back" or something before you leave, then people connected at that time can see that you are just away temporarily. That's what I was planning to do. On 7/26/06, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 12:38:18PM +0200, Level 13 wrote: > > I was wondering, what are the possible consequences if one switches > > their Freenet node off for a while (say when going on vacation etc.)? > > I mean, is there a minimum limit as to when a node is considered > > "dead"? So if it comes back online in e.g. 1 month, will it be a whole > > new "discovery" for it, or will it continue operating from where it > > was before? > > A lot of people drop nodes which have been idle for a while, on the > assumption that they were newbies who have uninstalled. So yes, it > probably would lose many of its connections. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEx22lOHFIJVywduQRAviQAJ47o9OgJ0/BkgT60tCtVeWGEf/62gCffzIR > i2oNtIQuLCOEeVsw0AH/1Zc= > =Ru4C > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060727/1bcd209c/attachment.html>
[freenet-support] Node not starting
Ok, after many weeks of no problems, after some update (I don't know what one, I have a cron job doing this), everytime I launch the node it dies almost instantly, and the wrapper.log contains this: STATUS | wrapper | 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | --> Wrapper Started as Daemon STATUS | wrapper | 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | Launching a JVM... INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | Wrapper (Version 3.2.0) http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | WrapperSimpleApp: Encountered an error running main: java.lang.IllegalStateException: WrapperManager has already been started with a WrapperListener. INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | java.lang.IllegalStateException: WrapperManager has already been started with a WrapperListener. INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager.privilegedStart(WrapperManager.java:1952) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager.access$230 (WrapperManager.java:384) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager$4.run(WrapperManager.java:1905) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager.start(WrapperManager.java:1902) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at freenet.node.NodeStarter.main(NodeStarter.java:220) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at freenet.node.Node.main(Node.java:912) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperSimpleApp.run(WrapperSimpleApp.java:197) INFO | jvm 1| 2006/07/27 02:04:53 | at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595) STATUS | wrapper | 2006/07/27 02:04:55 | <-- Wrapper Stopped Any ideas?
[freenet-support] Why is the main Download Freenet 0.7 when it's Alpha?
Why is alpha software Freenet 0.7 being pushed onto users on the download page? I think it better that the stable Freenet 0.5 be featured as the preferred download. http://freenet.sourceforge.net/download.html Until Freenet 0.7 has open-net I do not think it is ready to be treated in favor of 0.5. New users are not sticking around on 0.7 because there are few content, finding peers harder with darknet along other problems, bugs and continual updates. Pushing 0.7 onto new users in spite of it lack of maturity is in poor form. P.S. On a related topic of reports & complains about a lack of content on Freenet 0.7, I may have an explanation for that. I am in touch with a number of major Freenet (0.5) content providers since I run the largest media & content index site on Freenet 0.5 (FreeNova). Many users, including my self, are staying with 0.5 until 0.7 proves itself. Scruple - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060727/01d8377b/attachment.html>
Re: [freenet-support] Switching it off for a while
That's not very encouraging. Perhaps there should be some flag available to let other nodes know that one of them is just temporarily unavailable. Or maybe an option for a 3rd party server where the traffic requests would be rerouted - and the temporarily unavailable answer given out (the 3rd party router probably being another (web?) server to which the DynDNS would point for a while). BTW, what do you guys mean by people drop nodes and people can see? I thought the _system_ was automatically selecting the nodes? Or are you referring to 0.7 only? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Why is the main Download Freenet 0.7 when it's Alpha?
The main reason is that if we directed users to 0.5 then we would have to maintain 0.5, and we don't have the manpower to do that. As far as content goes my suspicion - confirmed by many on Frost and IRC - is that the lack of content is largely due to bugs which are in the process of being worked out (e.g. lack of insert resuming). It's also feedback; if there is no content then people are less likely to put content on. The way to break the cycle is to fix the bugs, and that's what I've been doing. As far as opennet goes, as I have said, the network is not ready for opennet. On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 01:25:40AM -0700, Scruple Scruple wrote: Why is alpha software Freenet 0.7 being pushed onto users on the download page? I think it better that the stable Freenet 0.5 be featured as the preferred download. http://freenet.sourceforge.net/download.html Until Freenet 0.7 has open-net I do not think it is ready to be treated in favor of 0.5. New users are not sticking around on 0.7 because there are few content, finding peers harder with darknet along other problems, bugs and continual updates. Pushing 0.7 onto new users in spite of it lack of maturity is in poor form. P.S. On a related topic of reports complains about a lack of content on Freenet 0.7, I may have an explanation for that. I am in touch with a number of major Freenet (0.5) content providers since I run the largest media content index site on Freenet 0.5 (FreeNova). Many users, including my self, are staying with 0.5 until 0.7 proves itself. Scruple -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
