[freenet-support] FMS Woes
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > announcing new identities has problems. > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - > Message-ID: > cIw2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4 > V2Gd4> > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > by a program than a human. > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > people with vision impairments. > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > Which brings me to #2. > > How about some feedback? > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > a new one. > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > anyway to make a point. > > - -- > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: N/A > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > =l+8j > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously human. You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so it probably won't get posted for a while yet. In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and don't notice :D I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a bad thing. I encourage people to do the
[freenet-support] FMS Woes
Definitely agree with the captchas problem. I was unable to announce my identity and gave up! Frost, though spammed right now is light years ahead usability wise. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM, MyTwoCents wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > announcing new identities has problems. > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - > Message-ID: > cIw2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4 > V2Gd4> > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > by a program than a human. > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > people with vision impairments. > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > Which brings me to #2. > > How about some feedback? > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > a new one. > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > anyway to make a point. > > - -- > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: N/A > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > =l+8j > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Though I know that I know nothing.
[freenet-support] update and more questions
At 09:17 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > >On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: > > At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > > > > > > > After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs > > > > just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, > > > > when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the > > > > node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old > > > > machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed > > > > out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and > > > > UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops > > > > connections before the system frees up. > > > > > >Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from > > >BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads > > >which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the > > >time this shouldn't impact on system performance... > > > > > >See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 > > > > I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. > >The above happened before this change? Yes, it did. And I've realized that setting Freenet's priority to NORMAL in Process Explorer didn't persist, so I need to figure our how to make it so. > > > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it > > > > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > > > > services manager, it connects immediately. > > > > > >That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? > > > > Yes, it keeps trying, but reports "java.net.SocketException: Protocol > > not allowed". > >Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it >show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the >wrapper.log? On the homepage, it said that it was trying to connect, and that it would be slow for a while. I've e-mailed you the relevant part of the wrapper.log. = Jim Cook
[freenet-support] Freenet and Tor
At 09:18 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > >On Tuesday 06 May 2008 02:49, Jim Cook wrote: > > Tor's FAQ notes ... > > > > "Tor and Freenet work on different levels: Tor is about transport, > > and Freenet is about storage/retrieval. So it would make perfect > > sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and > > decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport > > between Freenet nodes." > > > > That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP > > and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways > > to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. > >It would be hideously expensive. ... Do you mean that it'd overtax Tor servers or Freenet nodes, or both? >... Also I was under the impression that Tor >doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that >they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? No, it hasn't (notwithstanding the comment re Freenet that I quoted). >* Unknown Key >* 0xE43DA450 > >___ >Support mailing list >Support at freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > >* PGP Signed by an unknown key >* text/plain body >* Unknown Key >* 0xE43DA450 = Jim Cook
[freenet-support] Freenet and Tor
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 02:49, Jim Cook wrote: > Tor's FAQ notes ... > > "Tor and Freenet work on different levels: Tor is about transport, > and Freenet is about storage/retrieval. So it would make perfect > sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and > decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport > between Freenet nodes." > > That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP > and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways > to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. It would be hideously expensive. Also I was under the impression that Tor doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080506/86fc3312/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] update and more questions
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: > At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > > > After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs > > > just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, > > > when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the > > > node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old > > > machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed > > > out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and > > > UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops > > > connections before the system frees up. > > > >Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from > >BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads > >which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the > >time this shouldn't impact on system performance... > > > >See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 > > I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. The above happened before this change? > > > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it > > > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > > > services manager, it connects immediately. > > > >That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? > > Yes, it keeps trying, but reports "java.net.SocketException: Protocol > not allowed". Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the wrapper.log? > > After stopping the node and restarting, it adds its first peer within > two minutes, has five by four minutes, and rapidly connects to ca. 20. > > > > Is that behavior normal? > > > >No, it may be a bug. > > I wasn't keeping enough logs to span the last logoff/logon, but I saw > the same behavior after the update to Build #1145. Within a few > hours after the update, the node dropped all connections, and > wouldn't reconnect until I stopped and restarted. I'll e-mail log > excerpts off list. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080506/e6a8538a/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Error(s) when running XMLSpider
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 May 06, 2008 14:44:33:718 (plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider, Scheduled job: freenet.pluginmanager.PluginHandler$PluginStarter at 1ac692c(18), ERROR): Could not create default index directory java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "mkdir": CreateProcess error=2, The system cannot find the file specified java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "mkdir": CreateProcess error=2, The system cannot find the file specified at java.lang.ProcessBuilder.start(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Unknown Source) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.runPlugin(XMLSpider.java:980) at freenet.pluginmanager.PluginHandler$PluginStarter.run(PluginHandler. java:66) at freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.run(PooledExecutor.java:186) then later: May 06, 2008 15:05:05:468 (plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider$2, Scheduled job: plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider$2 at 1432b35(4), ERROR): Could not generate index: java.io.FileNotFoundException: myindex7\index_0.xml (The system cannot find the path specified) java.io.FileNotFoundException: myindex7\index_0.xml (The system cannot find the path specified) at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileOutputStream.(Unknown Source) at java.io.FileOutputStream.(Unknown Source) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.generateXML(XMLSpider.java:612) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.generateSubIndex(XMLSpider.java:567) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.generateIndex2(XMLSpider.java:539) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.makeIndex(XMLSpider.java:1298) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider$2.run(XMLSpider.java:1314) at freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.run(PooledExecutor.java:186) system details: Freenet 0.7 Build #1145 r19790 Freenet-ext Build #20 r18484 JVM Version: 11.0-b11 OS Name: Windows XP SP3 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkggeqAACgkQDAg0OvA3V4BJJACgnV1Uz1XpjLXhlK6znt1ouhMPqT4A n1elN9apzDPohFNOkjUDyiNUs3N5 =2j8p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Can't pay your bills on time?? Click for quick cash with a payday loan. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4d80nr6GNZA7nInjKTGrORP88nrfOuK9hYQMLq24Kh70dVKd/
Re: [freenet-support] update and more questions
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: snip After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops connections before the system frees up. Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the time this shouldn't impact on system performance... See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. The above happened before this change? Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP services manager, it connects immediately. That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? Yes, it keeps trying, but reports java.net.SocketException: Protocol not allowed. Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the wrapper.log? After stopping the node and restarting, it adds its first peer within two minutes, has five by four minutes, and rapidly connects to ca. 20. Is that behavior normal? No, it may be a bug. I wasn't keeping enough logs to span the last logoff/logon, but I saw the same behavior after the update to Build #1145. Within a few hours after the update, the node dropped all connections, and wouldn't reconnect until I stopped and restarted. I'll e-mail log excerpts off list. pgpwBtFT3agPL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet and Tor
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 02:49, Jim Cook wrote: Tor's FAQ notes ... Tor and Freenet work on different levels: Tor is about transport, and Freenet is about storage/retrieval. So it would make perfect sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport between Freenet nodes. That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. It would be hideously expensive. Also I was under the impression that Tor doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? pgpH4a9PN6Yhg.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Error(s) when running XMLSpider
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 May 06, 2008 14:44:33:718 (plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider, Scheduled job: [EMAIL PROTECTED](18), ERROR): Could not create default index directory java.io.IOException: Cannot run program mkdir: CreateProcess error=2, The system cannot find the file specified java.io.IOException: Cannot run program mkdir: CreateProcess error=2, The system cannot find the file specified at java.lang.ProcessBuilder.start(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Unknown Source) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.runPlugin(XMLSpider.java:980) at freenet.pluginmanager.PluginHandler$PluginStarter.run(PluginHandler. java:66) at freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.run(PooledExecutor.java:186) then later: May 06, 2008 15:05:05:468 (plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider$2, Scheduled job: [EMAIL PROTECTED](4), ERROR): Could not generate index: java.io.FileNotFoundException: myindex7\index_0.xml (The system cannot find the path specified) java.io.FileNotFoundException: myindex7\index_0.xml (The system cannot find the path specified) at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileOutputStream.init(Unknown Source) at java.io.FileOutputStream.init(Unknown Source) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.generateXML(XMLSpider.java:612) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.generateSubIndex(XMLSpider.java:567) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.generateIndex2(XMLSpider.java:539) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider.makeIndex(XMLSpider.java:1298) at plugins.XMLSpider.XMLSpider$2.run(XMLSpider.java:1314) at freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.run(PooledExecutor.java:186) system details: Freenet 0.7 Build #1145 r19790 Freenet-ext Build #20 r18484 JVM Version: 11.0-b11 OS Name: Windows XP SP3 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkggeqAACgkQDAg0OvA3V4BJJACgnV1Uz1XpjLXhlK6znt1ouhMPqT4A n1elN9apzDPohFNOkjUDyiNUs3N5 =2j8p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Can't pay your bills on time?? Click for quick cash with a payday loan. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4d80nr6GNZA7nInjKTGrORP88nrfOuK9hYQMLq24Kh70dVKd/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet and Tor
At 09:18 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: * PGP Signed by an unknown key On Tuesday 06 May 2008 02:49, Jim Cook wrote: Tor's FAQ notes ... Tor and Freenet work on different levels: Tor is about transport, and Freenet is about storage/retrieval. So it would make perfect sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport between Freenet nodes. That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. It would be hideously expensive. ... Do you mean that it'd overtax Tor servers or Freenet nodes, or both? ... Also I was under the impression that Tor doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? No, it hasn't (notwithstanding the comment re Freenet that I quoted). * Unknown Key * 0xE43DA450 ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * PGP Signed by an unknown key * text/plain body * Unknown Key * 0xE43DA450 = Jim Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] update and more questions
At 09:17 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: * PGP Signed by an unknown key On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: snip After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops connections before the system frees up. Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the time this shouldn't impact on system performance... See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. The above happened before this change? Yes, it did. And I've realized that setting Freenet's priority to NORMAL in Process Explorer didn't persist, so I need to figure our how to make it so. Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP services manager, it connects immediately. That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? Yes, it keeps trying, but reports java.net.SocketException: Protocol not allowed. Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the wrapper.log? On the homepage, it said that it was trying to connect, and that it would be slow for a while. I've e-mailed you the relevant part of the wrapper.log. snip = Jim Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] update and more questions
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 22:20, Jim Cook wrote: At 09:17 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: * PGP Signed by an unknown key On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: snip After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops connections before the system frees up. Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the time this shouldn't impact on system performance... See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. The above happened before this change? Yes, it did. And I've realized that setting Freenet's priority to NORMAL in Process Explorer didn't persist, so I need to figure our how to make it so. In wrapper.conf. Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP services manager, it connects immediately. That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? Yes, it keeps trying, but reports java.net.SocketException: Protocol not allowed. Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the wrapper.log? On the homepage, it said that it was trying to connect, and that it would be slow for a while. I've e-mailed you the relevant part of the wrapper.log. What if you click on the alert? Show me the details. pgpWyFBpjrFpI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet and Tor
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 21:24, Jim Cook wrote: At 09:18 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: * PGP Signed by an unknown key On Tuesday 06 May 2008 02:49, Jim Cook wrote: Tor's FAQ notes ... Tor and Freenet work on different levels: Tor is about transport, and Freenet is about storage/retrieval. So it would make perfect sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport between Freenet nodes. That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. It would be hideously expensive. ... Do you mean that it'd overtax Tor servers or Freenet nodes, or both? I mean it would be very slow. ... Also I was under the impression that Tor doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? No, it hasn't (notwithstanding the comment re Freenet that I quoted). pgp0WDyidQzOK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] FMS Woes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of announcing new identities has problems. 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. Because: You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust., I cannot post messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck From: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] V2Gd4 That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved by a program than a human. Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for people with vision impairments. The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been solving (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. Which brings me to #2. How about some feedback? Specifically, when I solve a captcha, how about telling me if I got it right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with a new one. This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat them while I beat him to death with my monitor! Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted anyway to make a point. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the 0.5 Freenet board -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y =l+8j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] FMS Woes
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of announcing new identities has problems. 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. Because: You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust., I cannot post messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck From: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] V2Gd4 That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved by a program than a human. Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for people with vision impairments. The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been solving (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. Which brings me to #2. How about some feedback? Specifically, when I solve a captcha, how about telling me if I got it right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with a new one. This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat them while I beat him to death with my monitor! Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted anyway to make a point. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the 0.5 Freenet board -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y =l+8j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously human. You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so it probably won't get posted for a while yet. In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and don't notice :D I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a bad thing. I encourage people to do the same, provided they're willing to pay attention in case they end up announcing spammers. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org
Re: [freenet-support] FMS Woes
Definitely agree with the captchas problem. I was unable to announce my identity and gave up! Frost, though spammed right now is light years ahead usability wise. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM, MyTwoCents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of announcing new identities has problems. 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. Because: You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust., I cannot post messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck From: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] V2Gd4 That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved by a program than a human. Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for people with vision impairments. The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been solving (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. Which brings me to #2. How about some feedback? Specifically, when I solve a captcha, how about telling me if I got it right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with a new one. This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat them while I beat him to death with my monitor! Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted anyway to make a point. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the 0.5 Freenet board -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y =l+8j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Though I know that I know nothing. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
