Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free. ~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
VolodyA! V Anarhist a écrit : bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya Well, legal or not in one contry or everywhere, we'll adapt and survive... survival is the aptitude to adapt to changing conditions... that's why dinosaurs disappeared and why men didn't... ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
urza9...@gmail.com пишет: ...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. I'm sure if you create supp...@murder-list.org and provide specific information about how to murder somebody you would get into legal trouble even in the most pro-free-speech countries. Of course it would depend on what it means for Freenet to be 'illegal'. - Volodya On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Recommended message board -- frost? freemail? etc.
I've used Freenet in the past (the early days of 0.7) and I'd like to try again. Back then, there was Frost, which I used until the DOS/spam made it unpleasant to do so. Now I read about frost, freemail, freetalk, c., and I wonder: which of these are working? Which have active discussions? Pointers? —Joel Salomon ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Recommended message board -- frost? freemail? etc.
fms works very well as soon as you get through the first captchas. freetalk i guess will become it's successor when they make it stable and included in freenet distributions. never tried frost - i'm not french ;) welcome back :) 2009/11/9 Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com I've used Freenet in the past (the early days of 0.7) and I'd like to try again. Back then, there was Frost, which I used until the DOS/spam made it unpleasant to do so. Now I read about frost, freemail, freetalk, c., and I wonder: which of these are working? Which have active discussions? Pointers? —Joel Salomon ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
We'll talk in Freetalk/FMS then :) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: urza9...@gmail.com пишет: ...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. I'm sure if you create supp...@murder-list.org and provide specific information about how to murder somebody you would get into legal trouble even in the most pro-free-speech countries. Of course it would depend on what it means for Freenet to be 'illegal'. - Volodya On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Meh, it's no different from what television and movie producers do on a daily basis... On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: urza9...@gmail.com пишет: ...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. I'm sure if you create supp...@murder-list.org and provide specific information about how to murder somebody you would get into legal trouble even in the most pro-free-speech countries. Of course it would depend on what it means for Freenet to be 'illegal'. - Volodya On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free. ~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free. ~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: bimbek wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9
On Nov 9, 2009, at 17:16:24 +0100, bimbek bimbek...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Did anyone catch the irony that the Freenet Project - that is dedicated to overcoming censorship and promoting absolute free speech for all worldwide - has just banned, censored if you will, someone from a simple support e-mail list? But from the Freenet web site at http://freenetproject.org/philosophy.html : You cannot guarantee freedom of speech and enforce copyright law. It is for this reason that Freenet, a system designed to protect Freedom of Speech, must prevent enforcement of copyright. H Paul ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
I'd also ask why it is physically based in the UK which is undoubtedly the western country most repressive of internet use. Only yesterday the 'interception modernatization programme' which would attempt to record all emails was dropped for 'tecnhical' reasons: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/09/home-office-plan-data-storage M! First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: bimbek wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
