Re: [freenet-support] Announcement problem

2003-02-11 Thread marcoc1
At 02.45 11/02/03 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 20:07, Greg Wooledge wrote:
 Build 611?  Are you sure about that?  I have made contact with
 (unstable) nodes with build numbers as high as 663.
 
 Are you also seeing your problem with the stable builds?

Sorry for the typo... that should say 661.  Also tried it tonight with
556: no successful announcements, same types of exceptions I included
before.

I don't know if this is significant, but in the last couple of
 month my fresly bootsrapped node (now stable 552) has no traffic
 until I do some retrieve with fproxy; then it begin to have
 traffic that stabilize in a couple of hours.

HTH.   Marco


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Re: Freenet: Kaffe (free software) compatibility: Was: Re: [freenet-support] freesite

2003-02-06 Thread marcoc1
At 19.34 05/02/03 -0500, you wrote:
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 Anyway, till Freenet remains in java, dropping the Kaffe
  compatibility IMHO is a fundamental mistake, both from
  the point of view of free software and from the security.

What exactly do you mean by Kaffe compatibility?  If Matthew  co.
write code which conforms to the specifications of the Java language,
but it crashes Kaffe, then clearly this is a bug in Kaffe.  Attempting
to find workarounds which avoid Kaffe bugs might be helpful for you
and me in the short term, but it's a fundamental waste of time for
the project in the long term, if efforts could instead be focused
on improving Freenet itself.

This is not so simple; version specification does matter.
Kaffe implement 1.0 java spec with some 1.1 features.

So the request maintain Kaffe compatibility can be
 expanded in use java spec 1.0 with only 1.1 extension
 Kaffe supports.

Oskar   please  Help me .

As for the license issue that you mentioned  The GPL says:

  Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not
  covered by this License; they are outside its scope.

Can Freenet be copied?  Yes.
Can Freenet be distributed?  Yes.
Can Freenet be modified?  I believe so.

Then, the GPL goes on to cover the detailed conditions which apply
to these three fundamental activities.

  1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
  source code [...]

No problem here.

  2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
  of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
  distribute such modifications [...] provided [...]:

a) [statement that you changed the files, and when]
b) [all third parties are licensed to use it at no charge]
c) [must print disclaimer of warranty if it's interactive]

Again, no problem here, except possibly 2c, but that only applies
to freenet.client.cli.* which most people don't use anyway.  And it's
trivial to fix if anyone actually cares.

  3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,
  under Section 2) in object code or executable form [...] provided
  that you also do one of the following:

a) [provide source code]
b) [offer to provide source code at minimal cost]
c) [pass along someone else's offer to provide source code]

Now here's the important part:

  The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for
  making modifications to it.  For an executable work, complete source
  code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any
  associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to
  control compilation and installation of the executable.  However, as a
  special exception, the source code distributed need not include
  anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary
  form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the
  operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component
  itself accompanies the executable.

Whenever I see a discussion of the GPL, this paragraph is the one that
usually causes the most trouble.  In the context of placing Freenet
under the GPL, however, it *does not matter whether Freenet can be
run on a free Java virtual machine*, because the GPL does not concern
itself with the use of the program -- only with copying, distributing
and modifying the program.

The real issue is whether Freenet can be *developed* with free tools.
The answer to this, IMHO, can take a couple different forms:

 1) If Sun's Java Software Development Kit is considered the operating
system on which the executable runs, then the non-free javac
(compiler) can be considered a normally distributed major component
of that operating system.  This is an open question.

 2) If Freenet can be developed entirely with alternative tools, which
could (at least in theory) be distributed along with Freenet, then
this paragraph is also satisfied.  I compile Freenet using jikes
and ant.  Jikes is in Debian's main repository, meaning it's
Free Software according to Debian's guidelines.  Ant, however, is
in the contrib section, which is a trickier matter.  Software
in contrib is free, but depends on something which isn't.  I don't
feel like tracking down all of ant's dependencies and license
clauses at the moment.

I believe (but I may be mistaken) that Freenet can also be developed
without using ant.  Jikes and make might be sufficient.  If that's
the case, then everything should be fine -- just include a written
offer to provide jikes (since make is clearly a normal component
of every Unix-like system).  I can't foresee anyone actually taking
you up on the offer, when they could download jikes directly from
IBM far more quickly -- but even if they did, sending them a copy
of jikes should't drain the Freenet treasury too greatly.  (You
can always request a few 

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Freenet-list] Freenet: Kaffe (free software) compatibility: Was: R freesite

2003-02-06 Thread marcoc1
At 18.46 06/02/03 +, you wrote:
 Re [freenet-support] Re [Free4.emsfile://D:\Mail\Attach\Re [freenet-support] Re 
[Free4.ems 0880.0002 

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:26:35PM -0800, AARG!Anonymous wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] scriveva:
=20
   is happy to run on build 552; it is slow because run on a
slow system; the memory profile and resource use of kaffe
is far better respect sun jre.
   Take care of this compatibility; IMHO is more important
then that the mean Freenet developer think.
  
  It crashes in minutes on my machine. The developers have been somewhat
  nonresponsive, the bugs seem to be deep magick and the Project Leaders
  have determined that we don't need to spend money making Kaffe work wi=
th
  Freenet.
 =20
  This statement is very important; IMHO the Freenet Project=20
   need an explicit position on that question.
 =20
  Project Leaders, can we hear you ?
 =20
  Releasing the main code under GPL is ineffective, if the
   .jar need proprietary software; in my understanding
   the use of the GPL licence is incorrect; I think in
   this case LGPL is the right type of licence.
 =20
  Anyway, till Freenet remains in java, dropping the Kaffe
   compatibility IMHO is a fundamental mistake, both from
   the point of view of free software and from the security.
 =20
  The only other way to solve this problem is IMU, to=20
   release a C (or other freely compilable/runnable language)
   version
=20
 Totally agree with Marco: this shows my old sensation, Freenet is a good
 project but not its developer group :-(
Yeah yeah whatever. We can release a C version, but that means no new
features, no significant bugfixes and no speed improvements for a year.
And we need you to fund me to the tune of $1,250/month for all that
time. And finally it would be much easier to go to C++ and it would run
on almost as many platforms. A year is probably an underestimate for C,
since it'd have to be pretty much a complete reimplementation.

AFAIK, Mattew, you are probably the only person in the
 world (if any) that understand the overall Freenet
 software architecture.

Can you try to explain me why a software that run
 smootly in the stable version (552) on Kaffe 1.0.7,
 so desperately need other java features
 in the developement branch ?

It is really impossible to find a trade off
 between new developement and the existing
 features of Kaffe ?

What new vital feature need it ?

I need just one good reason to change my mind.

Thanks a lot for your patience .

Ciao.   Marco


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[freenet-support] Healing feature

2003-02-05 Thread marcoc1

It would be nice that during a FEC download, aborting
 the healing phase automatically save the file.

Now if you abort the healing the download is lost.


JM2C.   Marco


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Re: [freenet-support] freesite for Frost FEC

2003-02-03 Thread marcoc1
At 00.57 03/02/03 +, you wrote:
 Re [freenet-support] freesite .emsfile://D:\Mail\Attach\Re [freenet-support] 
freesite .ems 0880.0002 

Personally I have never used Frost mainly because it uses Swing, which

I'm using FIW, a swing application, with Kaffe 1.0.7, with only some 
 warning messages in console 

will probably never be supported under Kaffe, but as freenet on kaffe is
broken at the moment

https://freenet.firenze.linux.it:1443 

is happy to run on build 552; it is slow because run on a
 slow system; the memory profile and resource use of kaffe
 is far better respect sun jre.

Take care of this compatibility; IMHO is more important
 then what the mean Freenet developer think.

Ciao.   Marco


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[freenet-support] Fec retrieve failed

2003-01-28 Thread marcoc1

Im' inserting a freesite with files  1 mb
 using 549  FIW 0.04b

All site insert OK, and can be retrieved, but when I try to retrieve
 a FEC file, it give me all gray an red cross,
 and is not able to retrieve even a single block.

This happen also if I attempt to retrieve from the node
 I used to insert, that have all blocks in the datastore.

Any idea ?

Thanks a lot.  Marco


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[freenet-support] Fec retrieve failed - part 2

2003-01-28 Thread marcoc1

During the attempt of retrieving FEC files inserted
 with 549  FIW 0.04b, ( I cannot retrieve any block
 not even if the block is in the local datastore),
 I found a lot of those messages in console

[root@tatooine root]# cat x
PARANOID CHK CHECK FAILED!
   expected: freenet:CHK@uqcAfmIICJpGVgLKCNIph-QzaMkTAwI,eOQnKzVt-hMtB-WJyUsYPA
   got:  freenet:CHK@coidDNXqiGBIPgSrdVa~m3a0iUYSAwI,2pGRF7-lRa6dl3WUnDeMrg
   data.size(): 262144
   parent.segment: 0
   parent.index: 1
   parent.isData: true
   CHK of downloaded block doesn't match CHK in sf metadata.
[root@tatooine root]# 

All files of the freesite under 256K can be retrieved succesfully.

Is a problem with FIW or some mistake is insertion ?

Many thanks.   Marco


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Re: [freenet-support] 650 anonymity filtering

2003-01-14 Thread marcoc1

At 19.26 13/01/03 +0100, you wrote:
Have a look at the fproxy tab of the configurator...

I'm from the Linux side, no tab at all

 and no java compiler in place too,
 just plain C .

Ciao.   Marco



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[freenet-support] 650 anonymity filtering

2003-01-13 Thread marcoc1

 From build 649 all site I access (including
 TFE ang many others) are reduced to plaint
 text withount any image or link.

There is some setting to do in freenet.conf to
 configure/disable filtering ?

Thx.  Marco


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[freenet-support] TFE, CRUFT FF

2003-01-08 Thread marcoc1

Till 8  GMT 2002 01 08, I'm unable to
 fetch TFE  CRUFT from freenet.

I'm using 537, 539, 541  641 on 5
 nodes.

Only FF is ok.

Other sites seems to be still there, but how retrieve it if
 TFE is not working ?

I bet that most of freenetters have no link
 to freesites, but only to TFE.

Maybe insert a well known key retrievable from
 proxy page with some active links to freesites
 or to a non-dbr version of TFE can be a good idea.

FWIW.   Marco


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Re: [freenet-support] temp files

2003-01-06 Thread marcoc1
At 22.26 05/01/03 +, you wrote:
 btw my ./freenet/freenet/store_*/temp dir is empty, and I do not regularl=
y=20
 delete the files manually.
Not surprising. It is cleaned out on node startup.

It is not so simple; all 4 nodes I run (539 to 629) had 100Mb or more
 in temp dir that never goes away  restarting the node; I
 need to do that by hand - the orphaned propriety message
 are diaplayed al lot of time at next restart.

I suspect the looked as valid data and are reused for
 some reason.

A good rm -rf * at startup would be a great idea, if
 the deletion algoritm is not robust.

Some secure deletion would be better ..

FWIW.   Marco


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